CA - Stephon Clark, 22, unarmed, fatally shot by Sacramento police, 18 March 2018

Discussion in 'Up to the Minute' started by Tawny, Mar 24, 2018.

  1. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    And police officers are always armed, while some of the people they shoot are unarmed or armed with weapons like cigarettes, pens, pencils, forks, scissors, etc.
     


  2. Tawny

    Tawny Bye

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    I wish I could find the link, but that some should be changed to most. :(
     
  3. RANCH

    RANCH United we stand, divided we fall.

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    Police killed nearly 1,000 people in 2017

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/05/police-killed-nearly-1000-people-in-2017/
     
  4. everybodhi

    everybodhi Well-Known Member

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    The chart separates LE and firemen but doesn’t break down the causes.
    The only charts I can find on causes, it is by total work force and not broken down by occupation.

    Police and sheriff officers had 10 deaths per 100,000 workers.
    Firemen had 8.
     
  5. RANCH

    RANCH United we stand, divided we fall.

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    I wonder what the death rate of police officers would be if they didn't use their firearms against armed suspects. I would like to see the death rate of officers to be zero. JMO
     
  6. everybodhi

    everybodhi Well-Known Member

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    Rocky1 Well-Known Member

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    I agree. I would also like the death rate of unarmed people to be zero as well.
     
  8. everybodhi

    everybodhi Well-Known Member

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    I wonder what the death rate of civilians would be if police didn’t use their firearms to kill unarmed suspects? I would like it to be zero, too.
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    There are huge racial disparities in how US police use force
     
  9. Cappuccino

    Cappuccino Well-Known Member

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    I don't think anybody objects to police officers using their firearms against armed suspects. I would like to see the death rate of unarmed suspects to be zero.
     
  10. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    The most dangerous jobs are usually measured by fatalities so I was looking at injuries. I notice a lot of police officers die in automobile accidents and shootings, but how many are injured in shootings and automobile accidents? Although I'm not sure the results would change law enforcement' position on the most dangerous occupation's list because I couldn't find any specific on the job injuries reports for law enforcement.
     
  11. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    I don't think anyone here wants to see police officers die in shootings with armed suspects.
     
  12. RANCH

    RANCH United we stand, divided we fall.

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    Since the majority of police shootings involve armed suspects reducing the number of unarmed civilian deaths to zero wouldn't be a big number out of the nearly 1000 civilian deaths per year. JMO
     
  13. Orville Butch

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    Zero unarmed civilian murder by police is absolutely attainable with the correct changes from police.
     
  14. Cappuccino

    Cappuccino Well-Known Member

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    And your point is? Do you think its not a big deal to reduce extra judicial killings of unarmed suspects to zero just because it won't clean up the statistics much?

    Imagine if you or someone in your immediate family was among the statistics of unarmed suspects shot dead by the police - I bet you wouldn't care so much about the numbers then.
     
  15. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    Killed by police in 2017:

    68 victims were unarmed
    26 victims were armed with a toy weapon
    At least one was armed with a pen

    And 236 victims had a mental illness

    Whatever the percentages are those numbers are too high.
     
  16. bluesneakers

    bluesneakers not today satan

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    Every one of those lives is as valuable as anyone's.
     
  17. RANCH

    RANCH United we stand, divided we fall.

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    I'm just stating the facts. I don't want anyone to die. JMO
     
  18. Cappuccino

    Cappuccino Well-Known Member

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    The facts are fairly ugly, and not wanting anyone to die won't make them prettier. If I lived in Sacramento I wouldn't be sitting around not wanting anyone to die, I'd be out joining in with the protesters.
     
  19. RANCH

    RANCH United we stand, divided we fall.

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    I'll pass on joining the protesters. The facts are what they are. I stand by my feelings on not wanting anyone to die. I'm sorry that isn't good enough for you.
     
  20. Cappuccino

    Cappuccino Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't really matter what's good enough for me, the facts are objectively ugly. Your local police force has committed an extra judicial killing and you will "pass on joining the protesters." Why, I'm not even going to ask, (because I already know the answer).
     

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