CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #2

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http://www.auditor.on.ca/en/reports_en/en09/402en09.pdf

I found the 2009 Annual Report re: Ontario's Center of Forensic Sciences which gives some idea of turn around times. I assume this is where the analysis of evidence in this case would have been processed.

New turnaround-time targets for both routine and urgent requests were put into place as of January 2009. For a routine case, the turnaround time target became 30, 60, or 90 days, depending on the seriousness of the offence, the complexity of the analysis, and the capacity within a section. For urgent cases, the Centre began to directly consult its client to determine the turnaround time needed according to the circumstances and the criteria established by the Centre, which has resulted in “client-driven” turnaround-time targets being set for each case.
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The Centre told us that the data it had collected in the first five months since modifying its information system indicated that 89% of all urgent cases had been completed by the due date and within an average turnaround time of 10 days.
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So, not sure why it's taken so long in this case to get results. It would seem it could not have been deemed 'urgent' but even so, the turnaround time seems to have exceeded the 30, 60 or 90 day benchmark. Also, the report does have a section outlining possible reasons for delays.

The Centre informed us that it had started requiring managers to input an explanation into the information system for any cases that exceed their targeted turnaround time by 50% or more. The categories used to describe reasons for delay include equipment problems, staffing issues or absences, quality incidents, competing workloads, administrative bottlenecks, subcontractor issues, supply chain problems, insufficient case information, inability to contact client, and delays in other sections. Analysis of the data collected since November 2008 has shown the most common cause for delay was competing workloads due to large volumes of work within a section.
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dotr said:
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2010/12/31/16719181.html
The house, which sits at the end of a long driveway, was wrapped in police tape. Collision reconstruction, forensic and canine officers could be seen on the property.

"It's very important to be vigilant of anything suspicious," Hrab said in a message to area residents. "The possibility may exist right now that somebody may know something about this crime because the individual or individuals responsible may have talked to other people

This link posted courtesy Snoopster thread 1, post1
A few things from this early news release caught my attention (again)- that LE thought it was a stranger , more than one person might be involved, that Collision Reconstruction was called in and the car taken away for examination and that the crime scene was absolutely horrific..
"Stranger, sexual component, vicious, vicious assault. It was something very bad," a tired and disturbed Hrab said.


"The crime is horrendous."
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Thanks, Dotr.

I don't really remember the discussion of multiple perps, to be honest. The statement BBM below is odd.

What would be the reason why LE was so sure it was someone unknown to her? Would it be because the home was broken into?

The "horrendous" sex murder of a retired teacher by at least one stranger has police conducting an extensive ground search and warning Ancaster, Ont., residents to be vigilant.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2010/12/31/16719181.html
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Speaking of local crimes, was the gentleman who went missing, ever found? I believe he had gone to buy lottery tickets and never showed back up at home. He was diabetic and his wife used a wheelchair. There was great concern about his health. And now here's a disabled person who's been sexually assaulted.

We know that Ms. Gleave had problems with her knees and that she had been feeling unwell. I wonder if she had any sort of home health specialists who came to her home for therapy. It's highly possible that she didn't tell her friends about that. She strikes me as one who didn't like to complain nor to bring attention to herself.

She was also a smoker. I wonder if she used cannabis? I'm unfamiliar with the medical cannabis laws in Ontario. In Oregon, a history of painful joints is considered a qualifier for MM. Some grow their own, others rely on personal growers. Could someone new to her have had an interaction with her via a delivery? Or someone along for the ride who might have come back? I'm just trying to throw out all sorts of possibilities.

Given that there seems to be somewhat of an emphasis on the possibility of more than one assailant, I agree that it's hard to believe that this was someone known to her. A person from her past, with some sort of sexualized rage against her, would not bring along an accomplice, IMO. Back to the cemetery and Ms. Gleave being the hapless victim of a group of very sick people. If anyone has forgotten, please check the story of Irina Roszak:

WI~"Satanic Thrill Killer", Austin Davis Sentenced for murder of 93 yr. old - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Poor Ms. Roszak was sought out as one of her assailants knew her to be elderly and frail. She was actually a "second choice" as the first victim's porch light was on. He knew the woman from the time he was a child as Ms. Roszak's daughter was his teacher. She was 93 and killed in her bed. So so sad.
 
Wow....look what can develop when you don't check for a few days! An interesting development, and much interesting discussion.

Regarding DLS, I certainly think that it's within the realm of possibility that he committed the crime, particularly if he is prone to psychotic breaks (not sure if he is). But it does bother me that it appears that LE arrested him before they had reasonable grounds. My sympathies to Mr Scott and his family if he has been unjustly accused.

I have to say though that I don't think he is guilty. He would have been a convenient solution for LE, even if they were well-meaning. All along I have had a sense that it was someone that knew Audrey. Not sure what the motive would be, but there is that 'sexual component' to her murder. this is likely unfair of me to say, but I've always felt uncomfortable about a certain someone that visits her. I'm probably way off base, but I just can't shake that feeling.
 
Regarding the forensic testing, I came across this older article dated January 7 (which was likely discussed on thread #1, but I'm too lazy and time strapped to check):

Catching Audrey Gleave’s killer is quite possibly the highest priority criminal case in the province right now. Yet more than a week after her body was discovered, test results that could lead to an arrest are still not in from Ontario’s only forensic laboratory.

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“We haven’t had our results from the CFS (Centre of Forensic Sciences),” says Hrab.

All forensic evidence in the province is examined at the CFS, the bulk of it at its lab in Toronto, though there is a facility in Sault Ste. Marie as well.

The CFS is notorious for its backlogs, with test results at the overburdened lab routinely taking months to process. The delays became an issue in the report prepared by Justice Archie Campbell following the investigation into serial sex killer Paul Bernardo. Campbell recommended a 30-day turnaround for DNA test results but the CFS couldn’t meet that standard. In 2007, it took an average of 64 days to turn around a forensic report, according to that year’s annual report of the office of the auditor general of Ontario.

That same report said that an “urgent request” should be made a priority and gave as an example the fact that “the public risk would be higher for unsolved homicides and sexual assaults than those where a suspect has been apprehended.”

It also says “when a client presents an urgent request and Centre staff agree that the request is urgent, the work can be completed in significantly less time than average. DNA tests, for example, can be completed in as little as 48 hours.”

The CFS falls under the Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services. Spokesperson Tony Brown says the centre “is on track to meet the agreed upon time frame” to process the results that Hamilton police are waiting for in Audrey’s case.

It is unclear exactly when Hamilton police delivered their samples to the lab in Toronto or when they expect results. But what is abundantly clear is that police do believe the public could still be at risk in the wake of Audrey’s murder.
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http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/article/318548--should-the-public-be-vigilant-yes-say-cops

Perhaps the tests referred to above only included evidence found at the crime scene...and did not include any evidence from DLS at this point, since he hadn't been charged yet. Maybe when his samples were subsequently submitted for possible matching to crime scene samples they weren't identified as 'urgent' as DLS was "safely" behind bars.

In any case, even though DLS was locked up at the time of the above article, police still indicated that the public could still be at risk. I wonder what additional evidence they developed that changed their mind and convinced them that DLS was their man?
 
Haven't been on much lately so I was so surprised to see this news. FWIW I'm glad they let Scott go, I felt from the beginning that it was very hinky. The majority of mentally ill people wouldn't actually hurt anyone but might act scary out of their own fear. ( the yelling) Lets hope they soon find Audrey's killer!
 
Speaking of local crimes, was the gentleman who went missing, ever found? I believe he had gone to buy lottery tickets and never showed back up at home. He was diabetic and his wife used a wheelchair. There was great concern about his health.
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Missizzy
My husband works with this poor mans brother. Sadly, he was found about a month ago hanging from a tree. A distance too great to walk but maybe transfering buses could have got him there. I would have liked to hear more about the couple he was seen with. Police feel no foul play was involved and I think the case is closed.
 
this is likely unfair of me to say, but I've always felt uncomfortable about a certain someone that visits her. I'm probably way off base, but I just can't shake that feeling.
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I feel the same way but wasn't comfortable saying it until you did.
 
First off, that's horrible about the man who went missing. I didn't get the impression at all that he was going off to commit suicide. He kissed his wife and said he'd be right back. And who were the people seen with him? That's very curious, to say the least.

As to visitors in Ms. Gleaves home...there seems to have only been a handful--her female friend, who was the executor of the estate, her handi-man who dropped of the cake, and her vet. I'm not sure that he came to her house but it was implied in one article IIRC and she'd recently stopped in at the vet's home for dog medication. She also spent a good bit of time at the local pet cemetery where her beloved pets were buried. I believe the vet and his sons are involved in that business.

So, what's the deal with "Amazing Grace", now that we have to start anew?
 
Excellent posts Snoopster on Centre for Forensic Science. Someone should lobey for them to get more staff, equipment or whatever it is they need. Alternatively, isn't there any private labs that could be used ? Off to look this up.
 
I just saw him on the news too. I was curious to get a look at him as he was known in the neighbourhood and my sister lived a few doors down from Ms Gleaves. I didn't recognize him.
 
greenthumb said:
http://chch.com/index.php/home/item/3782-gleaves-neighbours-wondering-what-now

Local TV report with video of DS... the first time I recall seeing him... and an interview with his lawyer. This report is suggesting that DS has not been ruled out as a suspect. Interesting.
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What I found interesting was that DS lawyer stated in his first interview that the police had NO EVIDENCE (my link above several posts) and now he is saying in this interview "the initial DNA testing came back negative".

Clearly there is evidence, including a footprint as stated in this report
 
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/544358--eccentric-doesn-t-equal-murderer
James Adcock, a professor, author and cold case expert who consults police in the United States, said police services investigating homicides often fall victim to “booby traps,” including tunnel vision.

DNA only solves about 30 per cent of cases, he added.

In his opinion, and without having read the police notes on the case, he said Scott doesn’t meet the profile of the murder.

People who behave oddly can be easy targets, he said.

Given the severity of Gleave’s beating and her extremely private and quiet lifestyle, Adcock believes the murder was done out of anger and was likely committed by someone she knew, someone who was watching her or someone with issues related to women.

Police need to go back and start again with the victim’s profile, he suggested. “If you know your victim, you know your murderer.”

More to this article followed by lots of comments.
IMO This whole thing has been a case of danged if you do and danged if you don't for the LE.Yes, it is obviously unfortunate for an innocent man to be put in jail as opposed to say living in someone's barn, but if they had not arrested him and it turned out he was guilty, just imagine the public outcry of what do you mean you overlooked a wild homeless man who lives just down the road from the victim and is walking around town with a large knife tucked in his pants!
 
I am curious as to what type of individual would brutally attack, sexually assault and murder an elderly woman. Is it a sociopath? Is it someone suffering from a psychotic break? Is it typically a stranger....or someone that the victim knows?

I started to do a bit of research and came across the paper linked below. I haven't had a chance to look at it closely but the quote below caught my eye.

Sexual Homicide of Elderly Females
Linking Offender Characteristics to Victim and Crime Scene Attributes
http://www.csaia.org/docs/%20Elderly%20Sexual%20Homicide.pdf

Seventh, the literature on violent crime suggests that elderly women are
simply the unfortunate victims of nonviolent offenders, primarily motivated
by financial gain, who have randomly targeted their residences for the commission
of either a property crime (e.g., burglary) or a robbery (Faggiani &
Owens, 1999; Falzon&Davis, 1998; Fox&Levin, 1991; Hochstedler, 1981;
Nelson&Huff-Corzine, 1998; Lent&Harpold, 1988). In the process of committing
this purported financial crime, the offender inadvertently discovers
an elderly female. He then changes his primary motive resulting in him not
only sexually assaulting her but murdering her as well. The observation that
72% of the offenders in this study removed something from the crime scene
may appear on the surface to support earlier research. However, from both a
behavioral and experiential perspective, such a scenario stands in stark contrast
to what has been observed in detailed reviews of these cases. The suggestion
of a financially motivated crime gone awry is contradicted by the
observation that the preponderance of the behavior was directed at the victim
in furtherance of not only the sexual assault but the effort required to kill her.
Not only was the majority of the interaction occurring with the victim, but
chronologically, it was occurring first. The removal of property occurred subsequent
to the homicide. In addition, there was a lack of balance between the effort
expended to sexually assault and murder the victim and the subsequent search for
and theft of property. The items taken were generally located after a cursory
search in the immediate vicinity of the victim and consisted mostly of cash and
jewelry. The theft of property was, in most cases, an afterthought.
This was supported by forensic examination of the crime scenes, admissions
to uninvolved third parties, and admissions or confessions to police.
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I hope there are people who were a part of Audrey's life that will continue to advocate on her behalf to make sure that this case remains active and it does not grow cold now that the original POI has been released. Someone here spoke about people possibly hanging around a nearby cemetary at night. IMO that would be a good place to start over. :eek:ddsmiley:
 
This is a very good (and long) article about rape and violence of the elderly.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-by-linda-grant-on-a-shocking-crime-which-it-
seems-we-all-prefer-to-ignore-1408839.html

"WHAT of the rapists themselves? Little if any work has been done on men who rape elderly women. Dr Mezey says her interviews indicate that they are very hostile to women and feel belittled by them. Since Susan Brownmiller's landmark study of the mid-Seventies, Against Our Will, it has been understood that rape is not about sex but power. One theory put forward in an American study holds that older women symbolise an authority figure over whom the offender wants control or an actual woman against whom he wants to avenge himself. The desire, in such rapes, is not for sex but for the degradation, hurt and humiliation of the victim. 'How did he get an erection?', we guiltily wonder. The arousal may come from rage, nervous excitement or fear, as is suggested by the evidence of rapes in wartime.'



"Child sexual abuse, sexual abuse of frail, elderly women, is there so much difference? At the beginning and at the end of life, the weakest, the least likely to be believed, are the rapist's most vulnerable victims".
 
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/article/793114--man-gets-life-for-raping-elderly-woman
"But the elderly woman says she suffered “a shattering brutal blow” when Michael Anderson broke into her west Toronto apartment to stab and rape her five years ago when she was 76."

"On Friday, Ontario Superior Court Justice Todd Ducharme sentenced the 30-year-old labourer to life — rare for a first offender like him convicted of aggravated sexual assault and attempted murder."



In an attack that lasted at least an hour, Anderson slashed her face, raped her twice, stabbed her three times in the abdomen, causing her to lose one-eighth of her blood.

The attack began in the early hours of Oct. 15, 2005, when he snuck into the sleeping woman’s highrise apartment.

Oddly, Anderson had shortly before given a statement to police about a bar fight he witnessed.
 
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