Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #3

[Grey-St]

Yes, let's be absolutely clear. My understanding of the facts of the case is taken from published news articles. I do understand that how I have understood that information, and how others have understood that information, is different. That much is clear.

We also know with absolute clarity that hanging is the most common method of suicide in Canada, yet there are pages and pages of comments claiming that suicide by hanging is extremely rare. Statistics Canada links are used to back up the claim that suicide by hanging is rare, yet a few minutes of actually researching the information reveals the real facts.

"Even though hanging has been the most common method of suicide ..."

https://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/82-624-x/2012001/article/11696-eng.htm#cvsd

No, it was never said that suicide by hanging was rare. As stated previously, I'm well aware that hanging is the most common form of suicide.

What was said, is that in a murder-suicide case, hanging or ligature neck compression, is very rare.

 

[Grey-St]

Of course. Similarly, two people look at the Stats Canada website to determine the most common method of suicide and some come away with quotes that avoid the facts, and others with the facts.

When I see this statement: "Police investigating possible murder-suicide in deaths of billionaire and his wife", I understand that police are investigating the deaths as a murder suicide". I understand that others assume this statement is meaningless, but we already know that different people have different ways of understanding information published by MSM.

The stats Canada information posted earlier today was on murder-suicide. No one was avoiding facts.

ETA: No one believes that your opinion that this is a murder-suicide is wrong. You are entitled to interpret source information as you wish. It's just irresponsible to keep saying that it was brought forward as a police statement, especially for folks who may just be tuning in, because it's simply untrue.

 

[Grey-St]

Okay, this may have nothing to do with these mysterious deaths, but linking due to the Florida/Bridle Path connections and the reference to the unsolved murder by asphyxiation of another Toronto couple.
Very weird goings on involving real estate agents, tennis, bizarre threatening letters.
Just noting, that is all, fwiw, imo, speculation.
http://www.macleans.ca/intrigue-at-sloans-curve/

Just when I thought the Sherman's case was one of the most complex/strange I had ever heard... This one might take the cake. Wow.
:thinking:

 

[Grey-St]

Thank you very much for the link. A very interesting read. I was aware that the homicide was still unsolved and expected to remain so but I didn't know about this 'tennis court' problem.

If one googles Dr. Nancy Olivieri, there were poison pen letters and attempts to totally ruin her when she brought some information to BS from a drug trial that he had funded. She has survived it but at great cost. IMO, it also gives us another window into the real BS.

Makes me happy to be an ordinary working person if this is what 'being rich' is all about. IMO

Wow, I knew there were attempts to totally ruin Olivieri in one way or another, professionally perhaps, and that BS was quite ruthless in that case, but was unaware poisoned letters were involved. This is a mad world, I tell ya. Happy to be living a humble, ordinary life as well.

 

[Lilibet]

Wow, I knew there were attempts to totally ruin Olivieri in one way or another, professionally perhaps, and that BS was quite ruthless in that case, but was unaware poisoned letters were involved. This is a mad world, I tell ya. Happy to be living a humble, ordinary life as well.

BBM

Just to clarify, I don’t think the letters themselves were literally poisoned, if that’s what you mean. Poison pen letters are just really mean, nasty, horrible letters. A colleague sent them to Dr. Olivieri.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/sick-kids-doctor-breaks-his-silence/article4158788/

 

[dotr]

https://books.google.ca/books?id=y4...onepage&q=Dr. Olivieri. barry sherman&f=false

 

[Grey-St]

BBM

Just to clarify, I don’t think the letters themselves were literally poisoned, if that’s what you mean. Poison pen letters are just really mean, nasty, horrible letters. A colleague sent them to Dr. Olivieri.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/sick-kids-doctor-breaks-his-silence/article4158788/

Ahahahahaha, thank you. I hope folks can find some humour from my post, in an otherwise tragic case.
I'm tired, goodnight! :seeya:

ETA: Just kidding, I'm back. After reading this article you have posted, it must be said, Dr. Koren is an absolute vile individual. If anyone knows about Motherisk from recent news, which he is the founder of, you'll know that he has single handedly been ruining lives, and tearing families apart since 1985. This, added with his behaviour regarding these heinous letters, leads me to believe that he is no one to be admired or celebrated, no matter what his colleges think. He has done far more damage than good in his career.I feel for those who have been effected by this man.

 

[Lilibet]

Ahahahahaha, thank you. I hope folks can find some humour from my post, in an otherwise tragic case.
I'm tired, goodnight! :seeya:

ETA: Just kidding, I'm back. After reading this article you have posted, it must be said, Dr. Koren is an absolute vile individual. If anyone knows about Motherisk from recent news, which he is the founder of, you'll know that he has single handedly been ruining lives, and tearing families apart since 1985. This, added with his behaviour regarding these heinous letters, leads me to believe that he is no one to be admired or celebrated, no matter what his colleges think. He has done far more damage than good in his career.I feel for those who have been effected by this man.

You’re a good sport. I wasn’t sure if I misunderstood your meaning. It might as well have been literal poisoned letters, given their intent to ruin Dr Olivieri’s life!

 

[Lilibet]

Oops...posted on wrong Canadian thread. :facepalm: Time for bed!

 

[MistyWaters]

Just my thoughts...... When the bodies were initially discovered, whatever the secondary scene was that we don't know about, just on outer appearances it's possible it seemed to have been a case a murder-suicide.

But I wonder, was LE surprised when autopsy results revealed each of the deaths were caused in the same manner, by ligature neck compression?

Without knowing more information at this time, I'm speculating the greater possibility, as both died the same way, that either double suicide or double homicide occurred.

 

[Sillybilly]

Good Morning everyone :sunshine:

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