Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #7

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  1. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    https://www.cp24.com/news/pharma-gi...-barry-and-honey-sherman-found-dead-1.3723714
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  3. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...apotex-founder-barry-sherman/article37348222/
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    http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...sherman-hated-his-wife-and-wanted-her-whacked
     
  6. sillybilly

    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Hi Hazel :)

    Theories are okay as long as they are based on some semblance of known fact and aren't just some real wild*** spec (like green people from Mars wanted to take over Apotex or the Sherman home ... or something).
     
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    Thank you sillybilly, the theories are very logical, and crafted around what we know so far, but will definitely not be "popular."
    I'll rather wait and see what else TPS tell us, and hope conclusions will be all based on evidence, forensics, etc.
     
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    Hazel New Member

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    I find all this very interesting, but don't expect others to want to explore this subject. It doesn't pertain to the Shermans being murdered. IMHO it's important to get into the victims' minds, how they think, react, etc. It would explain a few "whys" of his future actions. MOO JMHO speculation
    "Actions speak louder than words"

    I don't know if LW didn't leave a will, I just assumed he died intestate because otherwise, we would have heard BS received some $$ or maybe he did, we just don't know. If he did, maybe used it to buy the company and it wasn't his mother lending him money? There's no way to know. JMHO speculation

    I was thinking if BW had left in her Will, let's say 20% shares to BS, THAT could have been an "incentive" for him to run the company as General Manager (plus salary and a car), and keep the company afloat and striving so it will be there for her children when they were older. JMHO speculation MOO

    But sadly, now that I'm "getting into his mindframe" I don't think that's what BS wanted. I'm going to stop here. :) Just my 2 cents, and food for thought to whoever likes to understand how it all started. JMHO all speculation
    All who are not interested in exploring the complexities of the human mind, please ignore and just skip my post, and go to next posts. :)
     
  9. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    Do people have ideas on how this worked? Did the killer know Honey was going to Florida?

    Did the killer know about the architect meeting?

    Was there something that sparked the need to kill now?

    How did the killer get into the house unseen?

    Was there a housekeeper on Thursday? Why was Honey down by the pool? There must not have been any indication of anything amiss in the house since the housekeeper did not notice anything.

    If Honey parked by the door, why did she go to the pool? Was she dragged there? Marched there? Carried? How did that come to be?
     
  10. hudunit

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    All good questions.I have another one..were the doors all locked when the housekeeper or realtor entered the house.
     
  11. JDG

    JDG Websleuther

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    My explanation was because someone posted about BS being LWs only heir before they had children.

    By the time both died, they had 4 children, so very doubtful that BS was even in the will, as most families with small children are leaving their assets to care for their children.

    I respectfully disagree that it doesn't pertain to the murder of the Shermans, IF any of the Winter orphans are involved, the contents or disbursement of their parents wills might be very important as a starting point for all the anger, hostility etc.

    I hope both LW and BW had up to date wills, there is something in Ontario wills about surviving for 30 days, and they did not. Not sure whose will would be probated in that case. Any legal people ??

    Seeing as BW did not want the children to be raised by any family, I imagine their portions went into trust with the courts. BW also didn't reply when BS suggested taking over the firm a few days after LW died.
    We do not know what her reasons but she definitely didn't want BS in charge of Empire and trusted RT to do the right thing by her children.

    This could well have been the kicking off point for all of the distress that has ensued.

    Its all a moot point, BS did get Empire, did sell Empire and eventually bought his own company, Apotex.
     
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    Just a few things cone to mind.

    "Sherman himself once publicly noted, 'For a thousand dollars I'm surprised somebody hasn't taken me out."

    This was a statement from BS from around 2000, yet there was no attempt on his life for an additional 17 YEARS!

    "Instead, Winter claimed, Sherman came to him wanting him to put a hit on Honey in the late nineties."

    "It was a chance encounter with a friend of their mother which saw Winter and his brothers reconnect with Sherman in 1989."

    So, we are to believe after reconnecting with KW in 1989, he goes to his cousin, with a KNOWN drug problem and asks for a hit on his wife??

    This is beyond rediculous!
    BS had a very high IQ, there is no way he would have gone to KW for this type of "hit"!


    "Winter said, a handwritten note from a trustee who visited Beverly shortly before her death noted she was 'visibly upset' and, 'worried that Barry is trying to steal the company from the children."

    This woman is on her death bed dying from cancer and she is leaving behind 4 small children! She is concerned that BARRY is going to take "the business" from her children??
    Doesn't it seem she'd be more concerned about who would RAISE her children?

    Maybe it just me, but I would be less concerned about what happened to the "business" than the fact that my children were going to be orphans!

    This just all sounds so far fetched!

    'http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5327391/Canadian-tycoon-killed-wife-says-cousin.html

    If it was some political group or "big pharma"...

    Follow the $, from what I've read the children had no interest in Apotex. NONE



    What was the MOTIVE?
    WHY kill HS too?
    IMO this was no "hit"
    It was personal.
    The killer wanted to watch them suffer.
    Wanted their children to suffer upon finding out how the parents died.

    What some motives?
    Money, jealousy, revenge.
    I'm sure there are more.

    Motive, means and opportunity...

    KW didn't do "the deed".
    Isn't it odd he can't say "kill"
    Or "murder" ?

    This sounds like he is distancing himself from the killing.

    Similar to a parent who killed their child not being able to say the child's name.

    Don't you think if BS had wanted HS dead in the 90's somehow in 18+ years he'd have handled it?

    I woman who would lay out his clothes and tell him what to eat?? He was dependant on her for the basic needs in life wasn't he?


    It indeed is quite the mystery! I hope to have a final chapter!!
    MOO


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    With so many news reports, we need to realize that they won't be 100% accurate and there will be some discrepancies.

    The majority of the media reports say the Sherman’s were fully clothed and Honey hadn’t yet changed into her pj’s when she was attacked inside her home.

    The general consensus is that the real estate agent was alone when she found their bodies hanging on the railing by the pool.
    I believe this is true because if the Sherman’s had a full-time maid, she should’ve realized something was amiss on Thursday.

    Although no one heard from Barry or his wife since Wednesday evening, no one did a welfare check.

    As far as I know, the only “staff” that went to their home on Friday was the fitness trainer and real estate agent.
    The fitness trainer arrived shortly after the bodies were discovered by the real estate agent.
    I'm not sure if the real estate agent used the key that was in the drop box or she used her own.
    She entered their house just before noon on Friday.
     
  14. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Just to bring this lengthy article back into the mix.
    http://www.news1130.com/2018/02/03/...-shermans-company-stole-rivals-trade-secrets/
    by Michael Friscolanti, Maclean's Magazine
    Feb 3 2018
     
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    I agree that this was not a "hit". No way a hit would involve strangulation -- which is essentially hand-to-hand combat. Even if you surprise someone from behind strangulation is still very risky. A "hit" would be a gun with a silencer.
     
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    <modsnip>Of course a hit could involve ligature compression. It wasn't manual strangulation.

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    Think of them walking into the pool room and being attacked from behind, garrotted and killed.

    They wouldn't see a thing, it would be quick......they might struggle but they cannot get out of it.

    A 'hit' can be any mode of killing.
     
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    Hazel, maybe you should 'spill'! you've got me intrigued. :thinking:
     
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    The police let a few things slip out in the beginning..the fact that Honey was possibly killed in another part of the house but implied that Barry was killed in the pool room or maybe he was ambushed there or at the door.
     
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    I appreciate your opinion. Didn't mean to anger you with mine. I know a hit can be any killing mode. I do think a double strangulation would be an unusual kind of a hit though. But I understand you disagree with that a lot.
     
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    As this is a new thread, I thought I'd place this here for reference.

    [video=youtube;QpbaNRmoiiw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpbaNRmoiiw[/video]

    Homicide Det.-Sgt. Susan Gomes, TPS Press Conference, Friday, January 26th, 2018:

    (My transcription- there may be typos.)

    -At 11:44 am on Friday December the 15th, 2017, we responded to a 9-1-1 call to 50 Old Colony Road. Officers attended the address and located Barry Sherman and Honey Sherman, deceased.

    -Post-mortem examinations were conducted at the Province's Coroner's Office: Forensic Pathology Unit, by a Forensic Pathologist. The cause of death for both Shermans was ligature neck compression.

    -The manner was undetermined; with the only presented options being: double-suicide, homicide-suicide or double-homicide.

    -From the outside of this investigation, we have followed the evidence and we were alive to the issue of an undetermined manner of death

    -The integrity of every homicide investigation is paramount

    -Facts guide our focus. Conjecture and speculation have no place

    -Each of the three manners, the options provided to us, were all equally considered as evidence presented itself

    -As a unit with the assistance of many other areas of expertise within our service, we have so far spent thousand of hours on this investigation.

    -Our partners include the Province's Coroners office, forensic pathology unit and many areas of discipline within the Centre of Forensic Sciences

    -We are in the process of attaining or have executed 20 judicial authorizations and searches.

    -Legal complexities and some executions have been challenging given the litigious nature of Barry Sherman's businesses. In particular the search and seizure of electronics in BS's work space at Apotex

    -Two residential properties belonging to the Shermans have been searched. The primary Sherman residence is a 3-story family dwelling, of a size warranting six weeks of searching, forensic review and seizing of evidence

    -This morning, we returned the residence to the family.

    -To date close to 150 bulk or packaged items have been seized and are currently being reviewed and forensically analysed

    -A total of 127 witness statements have been compiled; this number continues to grow each day.

    -Neighbourhood canvases have occurred in the area surrounding the Sherman residence. This includes the collection of 4TB of security video from both commercial and residential property. There are approximately 500 hours in each of these TB.

    -And finally, 348 investigative actions have been assigned and are being vigorously pursued.

    -Contact with the immediate Sherman family has been consistent and ongoing. For them it has been difficult to balance their patience with their frustration, with us and our investigation, not unlike any other family who has suffered such a sudden and profound loss. They have been understanding, cooperative and hopeful that this investigation can give them some answers.

    -What we have come to learn so far in our investigation that I'm willing to confirm with you today, is that Honey and Barry Sherman were last seen alive in the evening hours of Wednesday, December 13th, 2017.

    -Neither of the two had communicated with friends, family or associates from that time frame until their discovery on Friday, December the 15th.

    -There are no signs of forced entry on all access points to the home.

    -Honey and Barry Sherman were found deceased in the lower level pool area, hanging by belts from a poolside railing in a semi-seated position on the pool deck. They were wearing their clothing.

    -We believe now, through the six week work review, we have sufficient evidence to describe this as a double-homicide investigation. And that both Honey and Barry Sherman were, in fact, targeted.

    -We will continue to focus exclusively on evidence with whatever resources are necessary.

    -We ask anyone to come forward with anything they may think is valuable to the investigation. And we, along with the family, are grateful to those who have done so thus far.

    (Reporter questions and answers follow.)
     
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    What does this mean&#8212;&#8212;-To date close to 150 bulk or packaged items have been seized and are currently being reviewed and forensically analysed
     
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