Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #8

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  1. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    https://www.cp24.com/news/pharma-gi...-barry-and-honey-sherman-found-dead-1.3723714
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    dotr Well-Known Member

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    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...apotex-founder-barry-sherman/article37348222/
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    http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...sherman-hated-his-wife-and-wanted-her-whacked
     
  5. Coldpizza

    Coldpizza WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Hi Everyone,

    Kerry Winter is now verified in Barry and Honey's case.

    As always, please treat Kerry Winter with respect.

    Remember Kerry Winter does not need to provide links to his posts and it's up to you whether to believe what Kerry Winter posts or not.

    Thank you
     
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    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    ADMIN NOTE:

    Barry and Honey Sherman and their family are victims.

    We are always very fortunate to have an insider join us and become a Verified Insider. We have a bit of a unique situation here with our VI also being related to Barry and Honey Sherman, and being very candid about their family history and feelings toward both the Shermans.

    Regardless of Kerry's feelings, he is still related to the victims, and as with any and all VIs and family members, please be respectful in all your questions to them and comments about them.

    At all times, please keep in mind our usual policy as it relates to how you communicate with our VI, and in your comments about the Shermans.

    Excerpt from The Rules: Etiquette & Information

     
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  7. liltexans

    liltexans Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Please continue the discussion here and please stay on topic. Wild speculation and conspiracy theories violate Websleuths' Rules and TOS.
     
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    As far as the pool being cold, it takes forever to heat up a pool. I imagine Honey used it a lot. I imagine the pool room was warm. When things get cold, everything gets cold; the floor, the walls, the furniture. It takes a long time to heat up the room as well.

    Mention has been made that Honey was estranged from the daughters. Where does that info come from?
     
  9. JayFriend

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    I tried replying to this message, but the thread had just closed.

    From JDG

    Not O/T at all. It is my opinion that there are players involved in this crime, one way or another, who are way over the pay scale and reach of LE. Be it multi billion dollar corporations or government. For that reason this may never be solved and we'll have to sort out the Internet conspiracy theories for the real answer.
     
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    If there was some big time conspiracy involving top govt people, wouldn’t they come up with a far better plan? Heck, kill them in Florida where there is plenty of crime. Shots from a rifle with a silencer. They can shoot from a long distance away.

    This crime is so messy with possible contamination.

    They could have killed Honey on the highway when she went golfing and got Barry later. Barry could have even killed himself out of grief ( murder to look,like suicide).
     
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    As this is a new thread, I thought I'd place this here for reference.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=484s&v=QpbaNRmoiiw

    Homicide Det.-Sgt. Susan Gomes, TPS Press Conference, Friday, January 26th, 2018:

    (My transcription- there may be typos.)

    -At 11:44 am on Friday December the 15th, 2017, we responded to a 9-1-1 call to 50 Old Colony Road. Officers attended the address and located Barry Sherman and Honey Sherman, deceased.

    -Post-mortem examinations were conducted at the Province's Coroner's Office: Forensic Pathology Unit, by a Forensic Pathologist. The cause of death for both Shermans was ligature neck compression.

    -The manner was undetermined; with the only presented options being: double-suicide, homicide-suicide or double-homicide.

    -From the outside of this investigation, we have followed the evidence and we were alive to the issue of an undetermined manner of death

    -The integrity of every homicide investigation is paramount

    -Facts guide our focus. Conjecture and speculation have no place

    -Each of the three manners, the options provided to us, were all equally considered as evidence presented itself

    -As a unit with the assistance of many other areas of expertise within our service, we have so far spent thousand of hours on this investigation.

    -Our partners include the Province's Coroners office, forensic pathology unit and many areas of discipline within the Centre of Forensic Sciences

    -We are in the process of attaining or have executed 20 judicial authorizations and searches.

    -Legal complexities and some executions have been challenging given the litigious nature of Barry Sherman's businesses. In particular the search and seizure of electronics in BS's work space at Apotex

    -Two residential properties belonging to the Shermans have been searched. The primary Sherman residence is a 3-story family dwelling, of a size warranting six weeks of searching, forensic review and seizing of evidence

    -This morning, we returned the residence to the family.

    -To date close to 150 bulk or packaged items have been seized and are currently being reviewed and forensically analysed

    -A total of 127 witness statements have been compiled; this number continues to grow each day.

    -Neighbourhood canvases have occurred in the area surrounding the Sherman residence. This includes the collection of 4TB of security video from both commercial and residential property. There are approximately 500 hours in each of these TB.

    -And finally, 348 investigative actions have been assigned and are being vigorously pursued.

    -Contact with the immediate Sherman family has been consistent and ongoing. For them it has been difficult to balance their patience with their frustration, with us and our investigation, not unlike any other family who has suffered such a sudden and profound loss. They have been understanding, cooperative and hopeful that this investigation can give them some answers.

    -What we have come to learn so far in our investigation that I'm willing to confirm with you today, is that Honey and Barry Sherman were last seen alive in the evening hours of Wednesday, December 13th, 2017.

    -Neither of the two had communicated with friends, family or associates from that time frame until their discovery on Friday, December the 15th.

    -There are no signs of forced entry on all access points to the home.

    -Honey and Barry Sherman were found deceased in the lower level pool area, hanging by belts from a poolside railing in a semi-seated position on the pool deck. They were wearing their clothing.

    -We believe now, through the six week work review, we have sufficient evidence to describe this as a double-homicide investigation. And that both Honey and Barry Sherman were, in fact, targeted.

    -We will continue to focus exclusively on evidence with whatever resources are necessary.

    -We ask anyone to come forward with anything they may think is valuable to the investigation. And we, along with the family, are grateful to those who have done so thus far.

    (Reporter questions and answers follow.)
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  12. Kerry Winter

    Kerry Winter Verified Family - Barry and Honey Sherman

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    Susan’s lips are moving and she’s reading from a script....only one problem: she’s a terrible liar.
    After watching this several times, l’m totally convinced she not truthful.
     
  13. JDG

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    With respect, if you are referring to my post as a conspiracy, its not. Everything posted is FACTUAL except my opinion that the investigation should have continued.

    I do think this double 'targeted' murder has more to it than wanting the Shermans' dead.

    All the dramatic staging of the bodies must have been a message to others or a warning of some sort.

    It was beyond, way beyond the average murder. As you point out, they could have been shot away from their home, in a shooting, car accident, whatever. Even shot (with a silencer) in their home, two bodies and walk away. The staging adds something very sinister IMO

    As for who or why? I also feel this may never be solved as the financial dealings, personal involvement with people in both high and low places makes it too complex to be able to prosecute.
     
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    http://www.macleans.ca/politics/barry-shermans-death-cuts-short-the-lobbying-probe-against-him/
     
  15. Hazel

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    IMHO, these TWO articles are important, by one of the best investigative reporters.
    Pay close attention to the dates.

    Perhaps someone that has some free time, can make a TIMELINE of EVENTS combining both articles, including dates of search warrants, production orders, judicial authorizations, etc., and other news articles, including date of the so-called "unauthorized leak" from someone within the team of hired lawyers/PIs, etc.
    With a Timeline of Events, it will be much easier to comprehend how things unfolded. It will paint a much clear picture. JMHO
    To be a fly on the wall during that Monday, January 22nd, 2018 interview!

    Title: Sherman investigation initially focused only on Barry’s wife Honey as a murder victim

    Search warrant documents obtained by the Star shed light on the early weeks of the police probe into the deaths of the billionaire couple.
    (respectfully snipped and bolded by me)

    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...lice-probed-at-first-not-barry-and-honey.html

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    Title: How the investigation into the deaths of Barry and Honey Sherman turned from murder-suicide to double homicide
    (respectfully snipped and bolded by me)

    https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...d-from-murder-suicide-to-double-homicide.html
     
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  16. JDG

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    This might sound trite but did BS usually wear a belt? Most men do when in business attire.

    I wonder if Barrys belt was around his neck or around Honeys neck?

    When I read these articles, it didn't surprise me that the search warrants were in HS name only as the unnamed source from TPS had stated it to be a M/S. I figured that because they had warrants and access to the home, so much work to do, etc., they just didn't bother to go back and add Barrys name to all of the paperwork.

    Words and phrases such as 'appear to believe' and 'sources' have to be front and centre in our minds, IMO, as the journalists job is to sell newspapers. They are not necessarily arbiters of the truth.

    IF during the first autopsy, they found signs of a double murder why not report it as such?

    Quoting Hazel, Thats a hard pill to swallow. ;)

    How would one go looking for lists of search warrants and other similar documents?

    It seems very odd that the police didn't speak to the second pathologist until a month after the autopsies.

    Will we ever know how this all truly unfolded?
     
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    Sorry for the VERY lengthy post above :blushing:

    Took me some time, so I hope it doesn't get deleted :please:

    Quotes are from two news articles, and supported by links, so IMHO should not get deleted.


    Message to Miele: Thank you for your great insights; luckily I had the chance to read your post. *wink*

    Hopefully truth will prevail.

    :silenced:
     
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    Is this a "first" on WS? We have a Verified Insider who is related to the victims, freely states that he hated both of them, and says he has been told that he is the prime suspect in their murders.
     
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    Not sure but it may be.
     
  20. 2Hope4

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    Barry was said to more of a loner, introvert and Honey the outgoing one. Maybe Honey is the one that planned that political dinner, and got Barry in hot water. Maybe he didn't even want it, plan it, etc. There could be motive there. Barry was under investigation, was Honey? With prior legal issues, it usually involved the business. It appears the majority of the time, Barry's legal team was able to win the cases. This time is different though. It involved politics more than just a business decision. Could there have been jail time? Heavy charges? I don't know. Just my thoughts at this time.

    The Shermans didn't lack enemies. We don't often see cases with so many possible motives, suspects, etc. I don't think the Winter children are involved in the killings. I'm still not convinced there was two murders. I don't have enough information to say one way or another. Yet even if both were murdered, and if it was one or more of the Winter children, then this case would be solved by now, IMO. Instead of murder for all these years, they fought it in court.

    If cameras in the home, and the neighborhood show a vehicle at their home, unknown people approaching the home, or in the home, I may think differently. Until then, I don't know how any of us could figure out the suspect or suspects if any does exist. We have a long list of motives, but what evidence do we have to tie anyone to a crime?
     
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