CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #21

[sandy_80]

do you think its possible such a high profile murder oF VIP ppl was commited by a male leaving on foot !
is this the perfect murder/master plan ?
is being around the house evidence enough ? you think

 

[MerlinFalcon]

does anyone beileve anything this unhinged cousin says !
you say BS didnt beileve in any security or cctv..and then we hear the pool area was chosen cause nothing security was working ..

He has an agenda to defame Barry and Honey as he believes he was screwed over. I disagree as the company he would have been allowed to buy into was sold long before he was an adult, MOO. There has never been any word about any kind of working camera in the pool area so either the person at The Fifth Estate got it wrong or she's right and the police are holding that info back.

Also, the night walker's description isn't far off from a description of Barry. He was between 5'6" and 5'9" and was either wasting a bulky coat or was a bit overweight so who's to say it wasn't him.

 

[WINDSOR]

do you think its possible such a high profile murder oF VIP ppl was commited by a male leaving on foot !
is this the perfect murder/master plan ?
is being around the house evidence enough ? you think

There is historical evidence of assassinations'/murders/hits, where the perpetrator has left on foot.

If a person who had been in the Sherman house many times previously, was part of the crime, the presence of their DNA would not be evidence of their participation of the crime.

 

[sandy_80]

There is historical evidence of assassinations'/murders/hits, where the perpetrator has left on foot.

If a person who had been in the Sherman house many times previously, was part of the crime, the presence of their DNA would no evidenc of their participation of the crime.

have they even did a dna exclusion thing ? havent they been accused of not even lifting enough prints from the house ? after all they stuck to the suicide thing long enough ..meaning we can forget dna evidence in this case
also for me it seems a crime commited by more than one person..he had to control two ppl ..idk..its all possible but i am not very sold on the walking male...he could be homeless or anything

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Also, the night walker's description isn't far off from a description of Barry. He was between 5'6" and 5'9" and was either wasting a bulky coat or was a bit overweight so who's to say it wasn't him.

RSBM

Could you possibly expand on how it could be BS on the cctv clip?

 

[MerlinFalcon]

RSBM

Could you possibly expand on how it could be BS on the cctv clip?

Not BS, the night walker. This is assuming there actually was a functioning camera in the pool room.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

If i understand correctly, the ''new information'', apparently led to one (or more) of the ''35 individual POIs'' to be possibly connected to the potential ''stalking'' of H & BS ?
What kind of info. could possibly make one think that?
Noticing someone known to them driving by the house frequently, repeating something said that would otherwise be unknown unless a line was tapped, H or B mentioning being followed, did somebody stumble unto or pried into a computer or phone, maybe an overheard conversation, or what???
speculation, imo.

2021 rbbm

Barry and Honey Sherman may have been under ‘surveillance’ a month before their murders, homicide detectives believe

Documents show police sought cellphone data for dozens of ‘persons of interest,’ and confirm Barry Sherman had been ‘restrained at the wrist.’

www.niagarafallsreview.ca

''One year into the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation, a bombshell: Toronto Police believed it was possible the murderer or murderers were stalking the billionaire couple a month or more before they were killed, search warrant documents reveal.
But police were struggling. A Toronto judge was repeatedly denying their request to track by cellular telephone transmission the whereabouts, at the time of the murders, of 35 individuals who were “persons of interest.”

''While this was going on, one person police had previously interviewed came forward with new information. This is described starkly in one ITO as “new information,” but the pages the Star has obtained from court are completely redacted because police say to reveal that information will harm their case.
This “new information” appears to have led police to pursue the theory that someone — or some people — were watching Honey and Barry before the murders.''

''By mid-2018, detectives already had the tracking data emitted by Barry’s BlackBerry and Honey’s iPhone. Now, by December 2018, they were still seeking permission to obtain the tracking data from as many as 35 other cellphones. Due, it appears, to the new information, police wanted to “parallel the tracking data from Bernard’s or Honey’s cellular phone records,” police state. “If they do parallel this could indicate that Bernard and/or Honey were followed or were under surveillance,” police wrote in their application to the court''

interesting use of words, wonder are these a journalist, well written to peak interest or used in court documents/requests. "Stalker, Stealthily,

Makes one think they believe they were being tailed / followed not necessarily eavesdropped / listened to?

definitions, my choice is bolded

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stalk·er
noun
1.
a person who harasses or persecutes someone with unwanted and obsessive attention.
"Tracy claimed she was the victim of a stalker"
2.
a person who hunts game stealthily.
"a keen fisherman and deer stalker"

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stealth·i·ly
adverb
in a cautious and surreptitious manner, so as not to be seen or heard.
"I woke up and stealthily crept downstairs"

surreptitious applies to action or behavior done secretly often with skillful avoidance of detection and in violation of custom, law, or authority. the surreptitious stockpiling of weapons. underhanded stresses fraud or deception.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Your quote:
“Also, the night walker's description isn't far off from a description of Barry. He was between 5'6" and 5'9" and was either wasting a bulky coat or was a bit overweight so who's to say it wasn't him.”

Not BS, the night walker. This is assuming there actually was a functioning camera in the pool room.

Respectfully, I’m not understanding. You think the WM looks like BS and could be him. How do you think that’s possible? (And do you have a link to where his height is stated? He looked taller than 5’9”, imo.) I hope I don’t sound like I’m hounding you, I’m just trying to understand your viewpoint. The WM is the only person LE have identified as being caught on cctv.

The camera in the pool area had never been connected, according to KD, so one of many reasons KW’s story doesn’t make sense, imo.

 

[Window21]

Respectfully, I’m not understanding. You think the WM looks like BS and could be him. How do you think that’s possible? (And do you have a link to where his height is stated? He looked taller than 5’9”, imo.) I h

I will try to find it, I know when they released the NW video I am pretty sure they stated that to be his height.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

Your quote:
“Also, the night walker's description isn't far off from a description of Barry. He was between 5'6" and 5'9" and was either wasting a bulky coat or was a bit overweight so who's to say it wasn't him.”

Respectfully, I’m not understanding. You think the WM looks like BS and could be him. How do you think that’s possible? (And do you have a link to where his height is stated? He looked taller than 5’9”, imo.) I hope I don’t sound like I’m hounding you, I’m just trying to understand your viewpoint. The WM is the only person LE have identified as being caught on cctv.

The camera in the pool area had never been connected, according to KD, so one of many reasons KW’s story doesn’t make sense, imo.

I interpreted the statement that the NW could be anyone, they even resemble the stature of BS. I did not think it was to assume it was actually BS.

??

 

[Window21]

5 years after a billionaire and his wife were found murdered, their family is offering $35 million to catch their killer

Barry and Honey Sherman were found hanging by belts from a railing that surrounds their indoor pool on December 15, 2017.

www.cbsnews.com

"Price provided the public with security camera footage of a man or woman walking down a sidewalk with a hat who seems to kick up his or her right boot as they take each step. The video does not show the suspect's face. Price estimated the person's height as between 5-foot-6 to 5-foot-9."

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I will try to find it, I know when they released the NW video I am pretty sure they stated that to be his height.

No, you’re right about the NW’s height. I know LE stated the height range (approximately 5’6”-5’9”) I meant BS’s height, I’ve never read how tall he was. I may be misunderstanding this but MF seems to be saying BS was similar in height to the WM suspect and it could be him.

ETA: other people have said the WM looked like BS, but they didn’t explain how that’s possible

 

[dotr]

5 years after a billionaire and his wife were found murdered, their family is offering $35 million to catch their killer

Barry and Honey Sherman were found hanging by belts from a railing that surrounds their indoor pool on December 15, 2017.

www.cbsnews.com

"Price provided the public with security camera footage of a man or woman walking down a sidewalk with a hat who seems to kick up his or her right boot as they take each step. The video does not show the suspect's face. Price estimated the person's height as between 5-foot-6 to 5-foot-9."

Unless the NW pulled a move like this, lol!

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[Window21]

John Tory is 6" according to this article. If they are standing on level ground BS appears to be close to the same height. This is the best I could find.

John Tory Slims Down But Was His Diet Safe?

He's a big presence in the provincial legislature, but only figuratively after a health scare prompted Ontario's Opposition leader to drop some weight. Progressive Conservative Leader John Tory has ...

toronto.citynews.ca

 

[taylorss]

KD’s reporting is being used to develop a documentary series on this crime that’ll be on “Crave”

i guess Crave is a Canadian network? Does anyone know how we might see the series in the US? Tia!

 

[sandy_80]

Your quote:
“Also, the night walker's description isn't far off from a description of Barry. He was between 5'6" and 5'9" and was either wasting a bulky coat or was a bit overweight so who's to say it wasn't him.”

Respectfully, I’m not understanding. You think the WM looks like BS and could be him. How do you think that’s possible? (And do you have a link to where his height is stated? He looked taller than 5’9”, imo.) I hope I don’t sound like I’m hounding you, I’m just trying to understand your viewpoint. The WM is the only person LE have identified as being caught on cctv.

The camera in the pool area had never been connected, according to KD, so one of many reasons KW’s story doesn’t make sense, imo.

le clearly said the male is shown around the time the sherman were already dead.. so i dont get that take

 

[dotr]

No cigar, at a glance, the NW could vaguely pass as BS, not that it is him, but maybe the perp purposely tried to look similar to BS? speculation.

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(The closest pic i could find where BS is wearing a winter coat)

 

[Lexiintoronto]

KD’s reporting is being used to develop a documentary series on this crime that’ll be on “Crave”

i guess Crave is a Canadian network? Does anyone know how we might see the series in the US? Tia!

I think it would be on HBO in the US. Crave in Canada has all of HBO’s content.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

No cigar, at a glance, the NW could vaguely pass as BS, not that it is him, but maybe the perp purposely tried to look similar to BS? speculation.

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(The closest pic i could find where BS is wearing a winter coat)
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I agree and except for their stated heights the NW looks like a few main characters in this story.

KD pointed out that FD’A and KW are both around 6’ tall. He described AG as ‘short’. But the police said they worked exhaustively in order to identify the WM. It doesn’t seem to be anyone obvious, imo.

 

[sandy_80]

KD’s reporting is being used to develop a documentary series on this crime that’ll be on “Crave”

i guess Crave is a Canadian network? Does anyone know how we might see the series in the US? Tia!

so far its only on this crave
I am gussing it could be picked up by the big streamers if it has an impact ..