Canada - Bruce McArthur- Pleads Guilty - murders of 8 men, Toronto, 2010-2017 #2

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  1. dotr

    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Wondering if BM is ill?
    speculation, imo.
     
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    JDG Websleuther

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    The title is wrong. He was not 'found guilty', he PLED Guilty. No trial.
    How do we get it corrected.

    A plea to 8 counts of first degree murder is so very rare, lets get it corrected.

    Anyone know how to do it?? Thank you
     
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    Thanks to the person who fixed the heading. :D
     
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    JDG Websleuther

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    Police officer to be charged with neglect and insubordination in Bruce McArthur case. Its Sgt. Paul Gauthier and he'll appear next Tuesday.

    Toronto Star
     
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    Well! Insubordination? What do we know of Sgt. Gauthier? Is he more than just a scapegoat lackey?
     
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    Why experts say we should investigate Bruce McArthur’s motive — even if we never get answers

    Feb. 1, 2019

    "For the families and friends of Bruce McArthur’s victims, there was relief Tuesday morning when the serial killer pleaded guilty to eight counts of first-degree murder, sparing them what would have been a lengthy trial.

    But amid talk of “closure” there was also a question: Why did he do it?

    “I don’t know if we’ll ever know why,” Toronto police Det. David Dickinson told reporters outside the court....

    McArthur is next in court Monday for sentencing proceedings that are expected to include a detailed statement of facts and at least two dozen victim impact statements.

    “It’s very difficult for people to make sense of how anybody could be capable of such heinous crimes, so there’s this yearning for an answer,” said Jooyoung Lee, a sociology professor at the University of Toronto. The dilemma, Lee said, is that even when we get answers, they are often complex and unsatisfying."

    Why experts say we should investigate Bruce McArthur’s motive — even if we never get answers | The Star
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    YESorNO The Queen (aka "mrsmuir") SWBB

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    Toronto police officer to be charged with misconduct in connection with Bruce McArthur case

    Feb 01, 2019

    "...Sgt. Paul Gauthier is set to appear at a tribunal Tuesday on charges of insubordination and neglect of duty under the Police Services Act, his lawyer Lawrence Gridin tells CBC News. The allegations are not criminal in nature and have not been tested. ..."

    Toronto police officer to be charged with misconduct in connection with Bruce McArthur case | CBC News
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    Kris Pangilinan‏ @KrisReports 7h7 hours ago
    JUST IN: Toronto Police release a statement in regards to Sgt. Paul Gauthier appearing before the Police Tribunal for the charges of Insubordination and neglect of duty. This is in connection with the Bruce McArthur investigation. @CP24

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    YESorNO The Queen (aka "mrsmuir") SWBB

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    Watch; More details of Bruce McArthur’s crimes could be released Monday (video clip)

    Feb 01, 2019

    "The sentencing hearing for serial killer Bruce McArthur will get underway on Monday. And, as Adrian Ghobrial reports, the release of a detailed statement of facts may shed more light on the disturbing crimes the 67-year-old committed."

    More details of Bruce McArthur’s crimes could be released Monday
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    tarabull Life is a puzzle.

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    nuff Well-Known Member

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    He was found guilty by the judge, after all parties agreed to the statement of facts.
     
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    What we know about the 8 men killed by Bruce McArthur

    Feb 04, 2019

    "Now that Bruce McArthur has pleaded guilty to eight counts of first-degree murder, we're set to learn more about the serial killer's victims at the 67-year-old's sentencing hearing Monday.

    Through a fulsome agreed statement of facts, and victim impact statements, new details about the lives, and last moments of the eight men will come to light.

    Until then, here's a brief look at what we know about Skandaraj Navaratnam, Abdulbasir Faizi, Majeed Kayhan, Soroush Mahmudi, Kirushna Kumar Kanagaratnam, Dean Lisowick, Selim Esen and Andrew Kinsman...."

    What we know about the 8 men killed by Bruce McArthur | CBC News

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    (Top row, from left to right: Skandaraj Navaratnam, Andrew Kinsman, Selim Esen and Abdulbasir Faizi. Bottom row, from left to right: Kirushna Kumar Kanagaratnam, Dean Lisowick, Soroush Mahmudi and Majeed Kayhan. [Illustrations by John Fraser/CBC])
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    CITYNEWS
    Sentencing hearing begins for serial killer Bruce McArthur
    "WARNING: The following story and live blog contains disturbing details. Discretion is advised.
    A sentencing hearing for a serial killer who preyed on men in Toronto’s gay village started Monday.

    Bruce McArthur, who pleaded guilty last week to eight counts of first-degree murder, is slated to hear from victims’ families and friends who will give statements to the court.

    Reporters Adrian Ghobrial and Momin Qureshi will be at the hearing. Follow along with their updates below."

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    Sentencing begins for serial killer Bruce McArthur
    "Serial killer Bruce McArthur's sentencing hearing follows last week's guilty pleas Toronto
    In what's expected to be an intense day in a Toronto courtroom, prosecutors are expected to reveal more details in an agreed statement of facts about the murders of the men killed by serial killer Bruce McArthur."

     
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    dotr Well-Known Member

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    GRAPHIC.
    More live update tweeting, already gross and disturbing.imo.
    LIVE UPDATES: Bruce McArthur's sentencing hearing begins
    "Cristina Tenaglia
    @cristina_CP24

    Police found photos on McCarthur’s computer. His victims were generally deceased, naked, posing. Saroush Mamoudi- photos found w him posed naked, deceased w rope around his neck and a cigar in his mouth."

    Tracy Tong
    @TracyTongCTV
    Crown attorney in McArthur case warned court ahead of sentencing hearing: that very graphic details will be presented today, could impact your health and wellness, sleep and appetite. Think carefully about whether you want to expose yourself to this info

    9:55 AM - 04 Feb 2019
     
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    Cristina Tenaglia
    @cristina_CP24
    Line-up outside courtroom 6-1 for Bruce McCarthur’s sentencing. Begins at 10 am.
    9:17 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    In court, where Bruce McArthur's sentencing hearing is scheduled to begin at 10 a.m. ctv.news/8oNCEql
    9:32 AM - 04 Feb 2019



    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    McArthur pleaded guilty last week to eight counts of murder for killing eight men who disappeared in Toronto between 2010 and 2017. Background info here: ctv.news/6pURDrb
    9:33 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    Courtroom already appears more full than it did for last week's guilty plea. I would estimate about 120 people in here, with more in the security line outside.
    9:39 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    The extra layer of security is delaying some other cases, as lawyers, interpreters, etc. are caught up in the long line.
    9:40 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Cristina Tenaglia
    @cristina_CP24
    Rare announcement from the the Crown, before McArthur sentencing: You will hear explicit, graphic descriptions of terrible things. Please ensure you want to be here. Being here may impact your health and well-being. (not verbatim)
    9:44 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    The Crown has warned everyone in attendance that some of the details presented today will be graphic and disturbing, and may affect our health and wellness. Urged everyone to consider whether they want to hear everything.
    9:47 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Tracy Tong
    @TracyTongCTV
    Crown attorney in McArthur case warned court ahead of sentencing hearing: that very graphic details will be presented today, could impact your health and wellness, sleep and appetite. Think carefully about whether you want to expose yourself to this info
    9:55 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Cristina Tenaglia
    @cristina_CP24
    Full courtroom at the 361 Univesity Avenue courthouse. Some of the victims’ family members are here. ‘Agreed statement of Facts’ are detailed in nature. Very detailed. Graphic and horrifying from my past experience. At least three of the victims’ family members are here.
    9:56 AM - 04 Feb 2019

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    YESorNO The Queen (aka "mrsmuir") SWBB

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    Cristina Tenaglia
    @cristina_CP24
    Family/friends of Andrew Kinsman, family/friends of Kirushnakumar Kanagaratnam, and family of Soroush Mahmudi are here. Via @TracyTongCTV
    10:00 AM - 04 Feb 2019

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    Tracy Tong
    @TracyTongCTV
    McArthur has led in by court officer. Wearing same thing as he normally does -- plaid shirt, black sweater, jeans
    10:02 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    Bruce McArthur has been led into the courtroom. He kept his head down and did not appear to look at the gallery as he was escorted over to the prisoner's box.
    10:02 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Cristina Tenaglia
    @cristina_CP24
    McCarthur enters. Looks much thinner than in photos. Wearing a black sweater with plaid shirt underneath.
    10:03 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Tracy Tong
    @TracyTongCTV
    Judge McMahon says he has read every victim impact statement submitted over the weekend.
    10:07 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Cristina Tenaglia
    @cristina_CP24
    Judge says over the weekend he read every victim impact statement from all victim family/friends, and 4 community agencies. Court recessed for a bit now. Waiting for a Tamil interpreter.
    10:08 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    Crown says statement of facts to be read today will include belief that there are no additional victims of McArthur. Court now on brief recess; will resume shortly with start of sentencing hearing.
    10:09 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Cristina Tenaglia
    @cristina_CP24
    McCarthur- looks thin, wearing black sweater w plaid shirt underneath. Dark blue pants. Hands shackled. Led away with his head down as he walked...
    10:10 AM - 04 Feb 2019
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    Tracy Tong
    @TracyTongCTV
    I'm told family/friends of Andrew Kinsman, Soroush Mahmudi and Kirushnakumar Kanagaratnam are here for the start of the sentencing hearing.. There are potentially relatives of other victims present too, but they don't want to be identified.
    10:10 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Tracy Tong
    @TracyTongCTV
    Family members of victims Selim Esen and Dean Lisowick are being connected via phone, so they can hear what's happening in court
    10:19 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Cristina Tenaglia
    @cristina_CP24
    -Court reconvenes
    -McCarthur re-enters

    -On the phone, two family members have called to listen in... Esen (from the UK) and Lisowick families.
    10:20 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    Sounding frustrated, Justice John McMahon orders another five-minute break so court workers can ensure the phones are working properly.
    10:21 AM - 04 Feb 2019
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    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    Bruce McArthur's sentencing hearing is underway. Crown Michael Cantlon will read an agreed statement of facts, meaning none of this evidence is disputed by McArthur.
    10:25 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    Today's revelations about McArthur's murders are expected to be much more detailed than the brief statement read in court last week.
    10:26 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Cristina Tenaglia
    @cristina_CP24
    On the phone, two family members have called to listen in... Esen’s family (from the UK) and Lisowick families. (one named Emily? Perhaps Lisowick’s daughter.)
    10:27 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    Cantlon: "For years, members of the LGBTQ community in Toronto believed they were being targeted by a killer. They were right."
    10:27 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    Cantlon now laying out details of the police investigation. Says they searched his home after finding blood of his final victim, Andrew Kinsman, in his car.
    10:29 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    Cantlon says a man was tied to McArthur's bed when police moved in and arrested him for two murders. Now talking about victims' remains found at a home on Mallory Crescent, which led to the other six murder charges.
    10:31 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Cristina Tenaglia
    @cristina_CP24
    Dec 7, 2017- police entered McArthur’s apartment and copied items off of his computer. Showed photos of Kinsman deceased. He is dead, appears to be strangled, rope around neck.
    10:31 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    McArthur had photographs of many of his victims, often naked and with rope around their neck. Crown falls this evidence of staging.
    10:33 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    Crown says McArthur "staged" many of his victims and took photos of them naked and with rope around their neck.
    10:34 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Tracy Tong
    @TracyTongCTV
    Crown going through graphic details of how photographs of McArthur's victims were found; bodies were staged in similar ways.
    10:34 AM - 04 Feb 2019
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    LIVE UPDATES: Crown details McArthur killings
    • Cristina Tenaglia
      @cristina_CP24
      Many of them linked, as the Crown tells us- look the same- beard, South Asian/Middle Eastern, some lacked stable housing, and were hiding their sexual identity from their families.

      Cristina Tenaglia
      @cristina_CP24
      We are seeing a pattern here of the ‘serial killer.’ He targets gay men, some homeless...kills and stages them the same way.
    • Ryan Flanagan
      @flanaganryan
      Cantlon says there is evidence McArthur moved his victims' remains from planter to planter after the initial burials.

    • Tracy Tong
      @TracyTongCTV

      We're being shown photo of bags of hair found in shed of property south of Mt Pleasant cemetery, stored there by McArthur. 4 separate ziploc bags.
    • Tracy Tong
      @TracyTongCTV
      Poses were repetitive. Victims were naked, cigars in mouth, shaved, made to wear fur coat and hat. This hat was later found in McArthur's van.



     
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    Tracy Tong
    @TracyTongCTV
    Police narrowed down list of owners of that type of caravan. Police later got surveillance video from McArthur's underground parking and saw him driving that same van. Got license plate BTAR 113
    10:49 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Tracy Tong
    @TracyTongCTV
    We're seeing photo of the van found at a shop. Forensic tests showed spots of blood and semen in the van. They found 4 men's DNA's, compared to known profiles of McArthur and Kinsman. Esen's DNA was also found in a blood sample.
    10:52 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Tracy Tong
    @TracyTongCTV
    We're now seeing photos of the interior of the van.
    10:52 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    In December 2017, police got a warrant to search McArthur's home. They did so covertly, making copies of a USB drive and an external hard drive.
    10:53 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Tracy Tong
    @TracyTongCTV
    Downloaded files included content reference Kinsman's online usernames. Over 100 photos of Kinsman, some dating back to 2007, including (we're seeing these pics now) Kinsman outside, holding potted plant, taking photo outside
    10:55 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Tracy Tong
    @TracyTongCTV
    Police covertly entered McArthur's apartment on Dec 7 2017. Technological crimes team copied devices. Downloaded 45% of desktop before they had to leave. Also searched home and found DNA swab of orange stain on pillow... DNA swab of metal bar, post-it notes
    10:54 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    On those devices, they found references to Kinsman's online profiles and photos of him, some of which dated back 10 years.
    10:54 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Tracy Tong
    @TracyTongCTV
    Downloaded files included content reference Kinsman's online usernames. Over 100 photos of Kinsman, some dating back to 2007, including (we're seeing these pics now) Kinsman outside, holding potted plant, taking photo outside
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    Warning: Some of the details presented in court may be disturbing to readers.

    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    Further analysis of McArthur's electronics revealed copies of 18 photos of Kinsman after his death, which McArthur had tried to delete.
    10:56 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Tracy Tong
    @TracyTongCTV
    Police also found files McArthur had tried to delete photos of: 18 pics of Kinsman in which he was deceased.
    10:56 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Tracy Tong
    @TracyTongCTV
    Police also found files McArthur had tried to delete photos of: 18 pics of Kinsman in which he was deceased.
    10:56 AM - 04 Feb 2019
    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    Photos showed Kinsman naked and with a rope around his neck. Cantlon calls it the "murder weapon".
    10:58 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Ryan Flanagan
    @flanaganryan
    Police followed McArthur for 15 days over two months to learn about his lifestyle and obtain DNA evidence.
    10:59 AM - 04 Feb 2019


    Tracy Tong
    @TracyTongCTV
    I will not be repeating all the graphic details - but Crown is describing the photos of Kinsman, deceased, staged and unclothed. There is evidence of ligature.
    11:00 AM - 04 Feb 2019
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