Canada - Bruce McArthur- Pleads Guilty - murders of 8 men, Toronto, 2010-2017 #2

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  1. YESorNO

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    Watch: Canadians questioning Bruce McArthur’s sentence

    February 9 2019

    "Canadians are questioning the sentence an Ontario judge handed down to serial killer Bruce McArthur. McArthur will serve concurrent life sentences without eligibility for parole for 25 years. But some feel he should be serving consecutive sentences so the 67-year-old won’t have any chance of getting out. Sean O’Shea reports."

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    He is never getting out. No worries here. IMO
     
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    Only in Canada, eh?

    Why are we being told over and over again, that he won't be getting out??

    He should have been given 50 years without parole.

    I don't find it reassuring, there are too many loopholes and we are too soft on crime in Canada. MOO.
     
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    I am not concerned that the length of his sentence is too short. He won't ever get parole. But, what is a concern to me, is that his case may set a precedent for another serial killer who needs to stay in prison longer. Consecutive sentencing for multiple murders is still fairly new. In part, judges base their sentencing decisions on those issued in prior cases. But, what if a younger serial killer is given a concurrent life sentence based on that which was handed out to BM? Does this concurrent sentence give Dellen Millard grounds to appeal his consecutive sentence?

    For that reason, I would have been happier to see a consecutive life sentence.
     
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    O/T but very related.

    Karla Holmolka did 12 years for three murders, including her younger sister.
    She's now married, with three children, living in P.Q.

    She is a serial murderess and had the backing of the Elizabeth Fry Society, John Howard Society and other advocates for prisoners to aid in releasing her.

    **That case is precedent setting for ANY serial killer to get out after 12 years.**

    Her ex, Paul Bernardo, has tried for parole late last year. It was denied.

    Faint hope clauses, good behaviour and on and on we could go. MOO

    Two evil people, both got sweetheart deals. Yet we're being told BM didnt get a deal. He certainly did, 8 murders for one sentence.
     
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    Vigil for victims of serial killer Bruce McArthur to be held at Riverdale church tonight
    "A vigil honouring the eight victims of serial killer Bruce McArthur will be held at a Riverdale church on Sunday night.

    The ceremony, which will take place at Metropolitan Community Church of Toronto, comes two days after the 67-year-old former landscaper was handed a mandatory life sentence for brutally murdering men with ties to Toronto’s gay village between 2010 and 2017. McArthur will be eligible to apply for parole at the age of 91."
    “These horrific acts have deeply shaken all Torontonians, and particularly members of the LGBTQ2+ community,” the church’s senior pastor Reverend Jeff Rock said in a news release. “This vigil is an oppourtunity for all of us to come together and begin the healing process.”

    The vigil is set to begin at 7 p.m.
     
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    This. I agree. It's all about what message it sends to other killers.

    This man doesn't deserve as short a sentence as he received. Simple as that.
     
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    Bruce McArthur, Toronto’s Accused Landscaper Killer, and the Long Road to Justice
    A court sentenced the confessed murderer Friday, while the families of his victims and communities they came from continue to grapple with the effects of his crimes.


    Feb 11, 2019

    "or most of the 2010s, many in Toronto’s L.G.B.T.Q. population believed a serial killer was in their midst. Two, four, then eight similar faces connected to the same downtown neighborhood, known as the Village, disappeared. Every six months, it seemed, another bearded brown man went missing. It was in chat-room forums and on the news. A Ph.D. candidate studying criminal psychology worked on a profile of a possible killer.

    But Toronto police couldn’t find anyone connected to the disappearances. “They’d gone through all the tips,” lead investigator Hank Idsinga told me, when I reported on this story last year for Vanity Fair. “There was nothing left.” As late as December 2017—six months after the eighth man vanished—Toronto police chief Mark Saunders insisted, “There is no evidence of a serial killer.”

    Then, a few weeks later, authorities raided the apartment of Bruce McArthur, a 67-year-old landscaper known as “Santa,” who doubled as the twinkle-eyed paternal figure of children’s lore at a shopping mall over Christmas. Now, a year after his arrest, McArthur has pleaded guilty to eight counts of first-degree murder that took place between 2010 and 2017. He spent last week watching lawyers expose the horror of his crimes as a judge determined his sentence.....

    While the legal chapter of McArthur’s case is now all but over, the extent of the police’s mishandling will likely take longer to work out..."

    Bruce McArthur, Toronto’s Accused Landscaper Killer, and the Long Road to Justice
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    Police hopeful Bruce McArthur may provide more details about case

    Feb. 11, 2019

    "With Bruce McArthur now committed to life in jail, the Toronto Police Service is hoping the serial killer might one day help resolve unanswered questions about the case.

    “You can pretty safely say we’re always open to any further communication,” said Inspector Hank Idsinga, head of the homicide squad. “It can come in many different forms. It’s not something that we can control. We can’t force anybody in this country to talk to us if they don’t want to talk us.”

    When asked if he hoped people would step forward and add to the investigators’ knowledge, Insp. Idsinga replied: “That’s always a possibility, up to and including Mr. McArthur himself.”..."

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    Toronto police on how they caught Bruce McArthur: ‘We got aggressive and thank goodness we did’ (with clip)

    Feb. 11, 2019

    "...Former Ontario Court of Appeal judge Gloria Epstein is currently reviewing how Toronto police investigate missing persons cases, and has asked that her mandate be expanded to allow for her to examine how the force handled the probe of McArthur. Some within Toronto’s LGBTQ community and beyond argue more should be done, and that there should be a public inquiry into why McArthur wasn’t caught sooner.

    Saunders said he is committed to transparency and that the service will co-operate with any review, no matter which form it takes.

    Asked if he could understand how McArthur went undetected for years, Idsinga said the killer is much like he presented last week, shuffling through the courtroom and sitting in the prisoner’s box.

    “He’s not intimidating by any stretch of the imagination, he’s soft-spoken and he just blended right in. Hid in plain sight,” Idsinga said.

    With the court phase of the McArthur case completed, Dickinson said an opportunity has arisen to make a change, and pursue an interest he had early on in his career — and one that was key the McArthur probe. He will soon be moving to the K9 unit.

    “It was those dogs who found the remains of those eight men, and it was those dogs who ultimately assisted us with bringing closure to the families and at least be able to return the remains, which was something I wasn’t sure we’d ever be able to do.”

    Toronto police on how they caught Bruce McArthur: ‘We got aggressive and thank goodness we did’ | The Star

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    (Insp. Hank Idsinga, right, says serial killer Bruce McArthur "hid in plain sight," going undetected for years with his soft-spoken demeanour. At left is fellow lead investigator Det. David Dickinson. [RICHARD LAUTENS / TORONTO STAR])

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    Why Canada is unwilling to put even its most heinous murderers permanently behind bars

    February 12, 2019

    "Together, the crimes of Bruce McArthur and Alexandre Bissonnette extinguished up to 510 years of human life and guaranteed decades of nightmares and trauma among the shattered communities they targeted.

    There was federal legislation and even judicial precedent to ensure that both men would be guaranteed to die in prison. And yet, on Friday judges in two provinces ruled otherwise, even going so far as to unilaterally rewrite legislation to do so.

    The fate of McArthur and Bissonnette may be the most glaring example yet that there is no crime heinous enough in Canada to stop a killer from one day being able to regain their freedom....

    As convicted murderers, Bissonnette and McArthur both received automatic “life sentences.” In the Canadian context, however, a “life sentence” doesn’t mean “life in prison.” All it means is that if they’re ever released, their parole never expires....

    It’s Canadian law that a judge is supposed to factor “retribution” into their sentencing. “Retribution is an accepted, and indeed important, principle of sentencing in our criminal law,” reads a 1996 Supreme Court decision.

    As the ruling explained, sentencing shouldn’t only be about reform or public safety, it should also reflect a “society’s condemnation” of a crime.

    Judge John McMahon acknowledged as much when sentencing McArthur, even saying it would be “symbolic” if the murderer was ordered to a jail term that would keep him locked up until he was 116 years old.

    Nevertheless, since McArthur had pled guilty and was already of advanced age, McMahon ruled it overkill. “There is a fine line between retribution … and vengeance,” he wrote....

    One overarching factor with Canadian sentencing is that it’s inconsistent. Canada has a loose set of sentencing principles, but it’s ultimately up to individual discretion on how those get applied.

    “To be perfectly frank, I find sentencing very murky; we kind of dress it up with these legal concepts and try to pretend we’re engaged in some highly analytical quasi-scientific process of fine-grained moral measurement, but when it comes down to it, people have wildly divergent views of what an appropriate sentence is,” Penney said.

    In either the Bissonnette or McArthur case, “you give it to another judge and maybe you get a 75 year sentence.”

    For one thing, had McArthur or Bissonnette committed their crimes in Western Canada, they probably would be guaranteed to die in prison. Although all criminal courts follow the same Criminal Code, those in Canada’s higher-crime western provinces generally hand out stiffer sentences than those in Quebec and Ontario...."

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    'Possible there are more': Calgary researcher says there may be more Bruce McArthur victims

    Feb 12, 2019

    "A University of Calgary psychology instructor researching serial killers says it would not shock her if, down the road, we learn that Toronto serial killer Bruce McArthur murdered more than the eight people he has taken responsibility for.

    "I've done kind of a developmental profile of Bruce. I've gone into his past and looked at his entire development from essentially conception until the time he was arrested. It is possible that there are more," Sasha Reid told The Homestretch on Tuesday.

    "There is no evidence linking any other people to him, but it wouldn't be a surprise if we saw that he maybe started way earlier than we believe right now."

    Reid is in the spotlight right now for a database she built that captures developmental variables, 645 of them, of more than 6,000 serial killers....."

    'Possible there are more': Calgary researcher says there may be more Bruce McArthur victims | CBC News
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    Listen: University of Calgary professor to be featured in Netflix documentary on the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski
    The Homestretch


    February 12, 2019

    "A psychology professor at the University of Calgary will be featured in a Netflix documentary series on The Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski. Sasha Reid is compiling what could become the most comprehensive serial killer database in the world. She has researched more than 6,000 serial killers, including Bruce McArthur. He was a landscaper, who pleaded guilty to eight counts of first degree murder in Toronto last month. Sasha Reid joined host Doug Dirks on the line."

    University of Calgary professor to be featured in Netflix documentary on the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski
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    Toronto police missing persons unit highlights historical cases in hopes of getting new tips (with clip)

    February 18, 2019

    "The Toronto police missing persons unit has begun a multi-week effort of highlighting historical cases in an effort to get new information from the public.

    The unit, which is described by police as an oversight unit to assist and support missing persons investigations at each of the service’s divisions, was formed in July.

    While the dedicated unit continues to develop, it does so amid an ongoing external review into how the service handles missing persons cases. The review was prompted by the investigation into serial killer Bruce McArthur.

    Det. Mary Vruna is one of the investigators in the unit. She said there are approximately 600 missing persons from all parts of Toronto, and some of the cases date back to the 1940s....

    The first in a series of cases to be highlighted is the disappearance of John Leonard. He was last seen at around 12:30 p.m. on May 8, 1992 after borrowing a friend’s vehicle...."

    Toronto police missing persons unit highlights historical cases in hopes of getting new tips

    Toronto Police‏Verified account @TorontoPolice 12h12 hours ago
    HISTORICAL MISSING PERSON May8/1992, John Leonard borrowed a friend’s car in Mississauga & was not seen again. Vehicle located at Woodbine Racetrack. M/W 5’10’, 170 lbs blond hair~blue eyes~thin build. Info call police 416-808-7411 or Crime Stoppers anonymously 1-800-222-8477 ^sm

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