Identified! Canada - Rosedale, Toronto, BlkFem (Afr mix), 4-7, in constr dumpster, PMI sum/fall'21, 2 May 2022 - Neveah Tucker

[carbuff]

I agree about the fabric looking somewhat gauzy or light. And a good point about the scale. I had been assuming it was about 36-45 inches wide, about the height of a 4-7 year old kid, but it might just be a scarf or shawl. If it's wide, it would resemble the gauzy sari fabric my neighbors wear in the summer, or the gauzy material we used to use as curtains back when all we could afford was the cheap stuff from an Asian-imports stall at the low-end shopping area.

Poking around some more: it could be a dupatta. Dupattas: Buy Indo Western Girls Dupatta Online in India | Utsav Fashion

Those are very popular even among old white women like me so probably not much of a clue to her identity.

 

[JDG]

Darn.

lol……we are all hopping today but dotr beat us all.

At least that vehicle is out of the running.

 

[nightgoat]

I haven’t seen anything about an estimated weight for this little girl.

At 3’6”, even if she was below the 5th percentile for BMI for a 6-7 year old she likely weighed at minimum 35 lbs. That’s not prohibitively heavy to carry on public transit but it might make it less likely that the person who left her in the dumpster made a long walk from a subway station. Sherbourne Subway station is less than 500 metres away, but the walk includes stairs and 35 lbs would get heavy fast.

I imagine a large trash bag like this would have attracted attention on a bus or subway. It would have been awkward to carry, especially if she was not bound and only wrapped in the blanket. If the PMI includes time spent in a location other than the dumpster, there would also be an odour and other products of decomposition.

Personally I think a vehicle is still the most likely mode of transportation, but it might be something more like a commercial work truck or van (like for a construction worker, landscaper, plumber, electrician, cleaner, etc.)

I think they likely knew the dumpster was there. Maybe someone who works in this area? I’m sure police are looking into workers who did work on this address in the past.

Just my opinion, of course.

 

[dotr]

I haven’t seen anything about an estimated weight for this little girl.
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At 3’6”, even if she was below the 5th percentile for BMI for a 6-7 year old she likely weighed at minimum 35 lbs. That’s not prohibitively heavy to carry on public transit but it might make it less likely that the person who left her in the dumpster made a long walk from a subway station. Sherbourne Subway station is less than 500 metres away, but the walk includes stairs and 35 lbs would get heavy fast.

I imagine a large trash bag like this would have attracted attention on a bus or subway. It would have been awkward to carry, especially if she was not bound and only wrapped in the blanket. If the PMI includes time spent in a location other than the dumpster, there would also be an odour and other products of decomposition.

Personally I think a vehicle is still the most likely mode of transportation, but it might be something more like a commercial work truck or van (like for a construction worker, landscaper, plumber, electrician, cleaner, etc.)

I think they likely knew the dumpster was there. Maybe someone who works in this area? I’m sure police are looking into workers who did work on this address in the past.

Just my opinion, of course.

If the perp did not have to go a great distance, any garbage bin on wheels, or suitcase could be rolled along to the dumpster and the contents transferred there. . imo, speculation.

 

[Snoopster]

I'm so upset that the vehicle turned out to be unrelated. That seemed to be the best lead they had. <sigh>

But let me get this straight....cameras actually picked up a vehicle that stopped by the dumpster. Doesn't that mean that the same camera could have picked up other vehicles/bikes? Where was the camera? I presume it was down the street and they timed the 'reappearance' of each vehicle on the next camera. If there weren't any other suspicious time delays, then wouldn't that point to a local or a worker in the area?

 

[jash]

I'm so upset that the vehicle turned out to be unrelated. That seemed to be the best lead they had. <sigh>

But let me get this straight....cameras actually picked up a vehicle that stopped by the dumpster. Doesn't that mean that the same camera could have picked up other vehicles/bikes? Where was the camera? I presume it was down the street and they timed the 'reappearance' of each vehicle on the next camera. If there weren't any other suspicious time delays, then wouldn't that point to a local or a worker in the area?

Based on the quote below, I was under the impression the camera was close to the dumpster. In which case you're right, why didn't it capture anything else of value? I'm echoing your *sigh*.

Insp. Hank Idsinga told reporters the vehicle was captured on video stopping in the area of the dumpster on April 28 at 10:26 p.m.

"That car is captured on Dale Avenue in the timeframe we believe the body was dumped there, and inexplicably stops right by the dumpster for 21 seconds," he said at a news conference.
www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-girl-body-rosedale-dumpster-1.6480279

 

[JDG]

Perhaps the TPS time frame is off?

 

[whiterhino]

If the perp did not have to go a great distance, any garbage bin on wheels, or suitcase could be rolled along to the dumpster and the contents transferred there. . imo, speculation.

Like Magnotta IMO. This is to me at least, a very ballsy move. We have to consider that the child had been deceased for over 10 months at this point. IDK what that means in terms of transporting remains?

Unfortunate that the car didn't lead to anything worthwhile.

Based on the quote below, I was under the impression the camera was close to the dumpster. In which case you're right, why didn't it capture anything else of value? I'm echoing your *sigh*.

Insp. Hank Idsinga told reporters the vehicle was captured on video stopping in the area of the dumpster on April 28 at 10:26 p.m.

"That car is captured on Dale Avenue in the timeframe we believe the body was dumped there, and inexplicably stops right by the dumpster for 21 seconds," he said at a news conference.
www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-girl-body-rosedale-dumpster-1.6480279

Came here to ask the same question.

Odd how that fabric looks like so many things yet seems to be so random. To me, it looks like maybe from a second hand store, flea market item, costume piece etc. I have a similar "dupatta" given to me by someone from Thailand which is not where dupattas seem to come from so IDK. Mine looks nothing like that piece of woven fabric but the weaving technique itself is similar. I'm stumped. Maybe it came from somewhere like Winners? I own a sari type piece except it's stamped/printed as with the more "African" prints but essentially bc it's from Winners, I know it's just appropriation and labour traffic IMHO. Just saying.

There must be some kind of CCTV or traffic cameras, personal security, RING cameras, businesses etc that have captured something?

Another question: Where was this little girl being kept up to the point of being "dumped"? What could have prompted someone to have to move her from wherever she'd been kept up to that point?

I hope I get answers soon!

 

[carbuff]

Your questions made me wonder--could she have been removed along with other materials from somewhere in the house being renovated, and whoever moved her didn't notice her there?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Like Magnotta IMO. This is to me at least, a very ballsy move. We have to consider that the child had been deceased for over 10 months at this point. IDK what that means in terms of transporting remains?

Unfortunate that the car didn't lead to anything worthwhile.

Came here to ask the same question.

Odd how that fabric looks like so many things yet seems to be so random. To me, it looks like maybe from a second hand store, flea market item, costume piece etc. I have a similar "dupatta" given to me by someone from Thailand which is not where dupattas seem to come from so IDK. Mine looks nothing like that piece of woven fabric but the weaving technique itself is similar. I'm stumped. Maybe it came from somewhere like Winners? I own a sari type piece except it's stamped/printed as with the more "African" prints but essentially bc it's from Winners, I know it's just appropriation and labour traffic IMHO. Just saying.

There must be some kind of CCTV or traffic cameras, personal security, RING cameras, businesses etc that have captured something?

Another question: Where was this little girl being kept up to the point of being "dumped"? What could have prompted someone to have to move her from wherever she'd been kept up to that point?

I hope I get answers soon!

There’s a jungle of apartments near the home at St. James Town. Maybe on a balcony? Somewhere temporary where they only faced disposing of her remains because they absolutely had to.

 

[dotr]

Cross-posting, Suggested on this thread..

CA - CA - Arianna Fitts, 2, San Francisco, 1 April 2016 *mother found dead*

In my notes about these 4 POIs POI – Lamasani Briggs – street pastor POI - Siolo Hearne – now a possible suspect (4/1/20) POI – Helena Martin – main babysitter POI – Devin Martin – Helena’s husband So Siolo has been a "possible" suspect since 4/1/20 according to my notes.

www.websleuths.com

Police continue searching for slain woman's 2-year-old girl

The search is ongoing for the missing 2-year-old daughter of a San Francisco woman found slain last week.

www.foxnews.com

 

[whiterhino]

Cross-posting, Suggested on this thread..

CA - CA - Arianna Fitts, 2, San Francisco, 1 April 2016 *mother found dead*

In my notes about these 4 POIs POI – Lamasani Briggs – street pastor POI - Siolo Hearne – now a possible suspect (4/1/20) POI – Helena Martin – main babysitter POI – Devin Martin – Helena’s husband So Siolo has been a "possible" suspect since 4/1/20 according to my notes.

www.websleuths.com

Police continue searching for slain woman's 2-year-old girl

The search is ongoing for the missing 2-year-old daughter of a San Francisco woman found slain last week.

www.foxnews.com

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TBH this should be submitted somehow. The photos of Arianna Fitts look just like the sketch.

 

[dotr]

Trying to get a better look at the teeth. rbbm
by Jacquelyn Gray
June 7, 2022

Do You Know Her? Police Release Sketch of Rosedale Girl Found Dead in Dumpster

Investigators believe the girl died in 2021, even though her body was possibly dumped last month

www.crimeonline.com

''The deceased girl is believed to be between four and seven years old. Her cause of death is undetermined.

Though her body was possibly discarded days before she was found, investigators believe she had died in the summer or fall of 2021, possibly earlier. A pathologist assessed insects at the crime scene to estimate a time of death, The Star reported.

Toronto police Inspector Hank Idsinga said it is unlikely the girl was ever reported missing as she has not been linked to any of the 58 missing children’s cases in Canada. However, they could not confirm whether she was reported missing in another country, according to the CBC.''

 

[whiterhino]

Trying to get a better look at the teeth. rbbm
by Jacquelyn Gray
June 7, 2022

Do You Know Her? Police Release Sketch of Rosedale Girl Found Dead in Dumpster

Investigators believe the girl died in 2021, even though her body was possibly dumped last month

www.crimeonline.com

''The deceased girl is believed to be between four and seven years old. Her cause of death is undetermined.

Though her body was possibly discarded days before she was found, investigators believe she had died in the summer or fall of 2021, possibly earlier. A pathologist assessed insects at the crime scene to estimate a time of death, The Star reported.

Toronto police Inspector Hank Idsinga said it is unlikely the girl was ever reported missing as she has not been linked to any of the 58 missing children’s cases in Canada. However, they could not confirm whether she was reported missing in another country, according to the CBC.''

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It would be difficult to "match" anything for certain based off a sketch IMHO. Arianna Fitts' mother was found deceased so there is (assuming) DNA available for comparison. That case is also based in California which is a long way from the suburbs of Toronto but the photos and sketch are so similar...!

 

[Hochman]

Now on the RCMP case website.

Canada's Missing | Case details

www.services.rcmp-grc.gc.ca

 

[dotr]

Now on the RCMP case website.

Canada's Missing | Case details

www.services.rcmp-grc.gc.ca

Thank you for the link @Hochman..

''Case reference: 2022018770​

On May 2, 2022, a female child between the age of 4 to 7 years old was discovered at 25 Dale Avenue, in Toronto, Ontario.
This case has 1 Unidentified
Discovered at Toronto

Unidentified​

Female, 4 - 7​

​

Discovered on May 2, 2022Est. age4 to 7GenderFemale

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As of June 23, 2022. Verify current information and status at www.canadasmissing.ca or contact the agency below.

If you have information on this case, please contact any of the following:​

1. OPP Ontario Centre for Missing Persons and Unidentified Remains (ONCMPUR): 1-877-934-6363; 1-705-330-4144; opp.isb.resolve@opp.ca
   Reference Case#: ONCMPUR-2022018770
2. Toronto Police Service: 416-808-7411
   Reference Case#: 2022-817064
3. Crime Stoppers: 1-800-222-TIPS(8477) or online at Canadian Crime Stoppers Association
   Crime Stoppers provides anonymous tipping
4. Send email to the National Centre for Missing Persons and Unidentified Remains at:
   canadasmissing-disparuscanada@rcmp-grc.gc.ca''

 

[whiterhino]

Your questions made me wonder--could she have been removed along with other materials from somewhere in the house being renovated, and whoever moved her didn't notice her there?

In the case of Arianna Fitts ( CA - CA - Arianna Fitts, 2, San Francisco, 1 April 2016 *mother found dead* ) her mother Nicole Fitts had been found deceased underneath a wooden board in a public park.

Not that I'm suggesting this little girl is Arianna Fitts. However being left with construction remnants (if a dumpster and an old wooden board count) is along the same vein as with Nicole and could speak to whoever did it if it were related (keeping in mind that Nicole Fitts was found in 2016 when her daughter first went missing).

This question still wouldn't account for how the child got there in the first place. Anyone who could put a childs' body into a garbage bin and keep quiet about it is extremely cold. A very sick, heartless, massive . JMO.

Regarding DNA and missing children: If Arianna and Nicoles' DNA are on file with say, NAMUS or NCMEC in the U.S and a child fitting Ariannas' "profile" appears in Canada, is there some kind of automatic flagging process? Is there a system in place that will put these two childrens cases together or does it have to be noticed/brought to someones' attention?

 

[carbuff]

No. No automatic process as far as I know. Though the wording in the press releases implies to me that they have checked the US missing persons databases.

There's more contact than there used to be, but generally international comparisons are difficult.

 

[PromotedPawn]

O/T

DNA cold case: Ex-daycare worker charged with slitting newborn son’s throat 30 years ago

Meaonia Michelle Allen, 53, of Durant, Okla., is charged with first-degree murder in the Dec. 8, 1993, death of her newborn son.

www.fox13memphis.com

OSBI investigators identified Allen as the boy’s mother with help from Parabon Nanolabs, a Virginia-based genetic genealogy company that works with law enforcement agencies to solve cold cases across the country.

“The synergy between our agents and criminalists to solve cold cases, especially those with an unidentified victim, is to be applauded,” OSBI Director Ricky Adams said in a statement. “Identifying the use of genetic genealogy as a tool, and the work of Parabon and our internal genealogy specialist, provided significant leads in this disturbing case.

I saw the news article and have been searching for the thread. Do we have one?

 

[dotr]

I saw the news article and have been searching for the thread. Do we have one?

GUILTY - OH - Geauga's Child, newborn baby boy, found deceased, Geauga County 1993 *mother arrested in 2019*

These cases are so sad. Often, it seems more than one baby is murdered. It seems unbelievable that someone can go through a pregnancy and birth without anyone knowing, murder the baby and dispose of it, and then do it all again. Sigh.

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