CANADA Canada - Susan Tice, 45, & Erin Gilmour, 22, Toronto, Aug & Dec 1983

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    https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...wont-heat-up-without-law-change-cops-say.html
    By Michelle McQuiggeThe Canadian Press
    June 8, 2016
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    Susan Tice, 45. Erin Gilmour, 22
     
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    By Robyn Doolittle
    Aug. 31, 2009

    Two women linked by serial killer
     
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    $ 200,000 reward!
    Rbbm.
    http://tpsnews.ca/stories/2016/03/cold-cases-linked-dna/
     
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    I am not sure if the fact that Erin had rich parents is overvalued or undervalued. One one hand Susan Tice at that time had a better job and her own house. Presumably Erin would have gotten a boost, a loan to start up something on her own but we don't know that. Did Susan Tice's husband climb the corporate ladder quite high? Remember Susan is eating and drinking in Yorkville as well. The idea that the perp lived somewhere between the two is no doubt true but that includes tens of thousands of men at least. Is it true ( I am going from memory) that Susan came back from up north (around Owen Sound, Leith where she is buried) on the holiday weekend. Was she killed then? And not found till the 17th? What is mysterious about Gilmour is the tremendous luck the perp would have to have as there was only a 20 minute window (correct?) for her to be followed or to invite the perp in before her boyfriend came over and found her dead. And when you look at pics of Tice's house those long stairs going up to the house...very exposed if that is how he arrived. On another site someone mentions EG had threatening phone calls they couldn't trace. Is this true? Early on , even in a LE video a few years ago the fact that Erin was attractive and Susan not (and of course was much older) was highlighted obviously somebody complained or they realized this was not a correct way to describe Susan. But there IS a clash in terms of their appearance they are very different looking.
     
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    There were a number of restaurants and clubs in the area that were very popular and would be appealing to both a 22 year old Erin G. and to a 45 year old Susan T,
    wishing LE would release the names of the appropriate establishments where they might have encountered the killer.
    Also hoping a snapshot of perp could be developed too, that might help to spark someone's memory.
    imo.
    https://snapshot.parabon-nanolabs.com/
     
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    Have not yet read anything about Susan T receiving unpleasant calls, but presuming the perp did not care about how either woman's age or appearance, because imo, he was really angry at those two women in particular. If he just generally hated females, i assume he would be linked to more murders, ( unless there are others yet to be connected to him) So why angry at Erin and Susan?
    Wondering if Susan shopped at the store where Erin worked beneath her apartment?
    imo, speculation

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/293438
    rbbm.

    Just noticed that both women had recently moved into the dwellings where each was murdered, also, whomever was watching, was watching closely, imo fwiw.

    http://mytowncrier.ca/news/still-waiting-for-cold-case-answers/
    rbbm.
     
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    Wow the snapshot technology is amazing I didn't know it existed it could make such a difference to cases just like this.

    Do the police believe this perp attacked twice in a relatively short space of time and as far as they know stopped?
     
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    The attacks were 4 months apart from each other and a driving distance of about 10 minutes apart.
    There have not been any more attacks known to be connected to this perp, imo.
     
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    I wonder if anyone knows who owned Robins Knits? Someone with that first or last name? Yorkville rents are not cheap. Did the owner have money or their husband and was this the kind of business that the owner was not relying on to live on? How did Erin get the job? Ad in the paper or through family or friend? I am not sleuthing the owner but I am trying to suggest that the idea of Susan and Erin being radically different in terms of ec. status may not be completely correct. On another site someone broached the idea that the linkbetween the two crimes is Robins Knits. The LE theory seems to be the commonality might be Yorkville bars. But there are many possibilities......there used to be a little skating rink in Hazleton Lanes that was very popular. Art Galleries restaurants other clothing stores........ and Robins Knits
     
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    I believe the store was owned by Robin Kay. Gilmour lived above the store on Hazelton Ave.

    http://www.fajomagazine.com/exclusives/robin-kay
     
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    Erin Gilmour's boyfriend was Anthony Munk, son of billionaire Peter Munk. Peter Munk Munk was chairman and founder of Barrick Gold, the world's largest gold mining corporation and founder, chairman and CEO of Trizec Properties. He (Peter Munk) was also business partner to billionaire David Harrison Gilmour, Erin Gilmour's father.
     
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    Wish we knew more about Susan T's activities in the relatively short time she was in Toronto, and how she may have crossed paths with Erin.
    Assuming they must have associated with one another and/or with the perp in order for him to develop such apparent violent hate towards them, imo.
    One can see why Erin may have attracted angry/jealous attention in part, due to her bigger than life family connections, but what about Susan?
    At one time LE were looking into the possibility that the former Colonel, Russell Williams was the perp, but assuming dna would prove otherwise.
    imo, speculation.
     
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    The below article confirms that Robin's Knits and Robin Kay's are one and the same store at 37 Hazleton Avenue. Possibly Anna Cowan, Gilmour's mother and Robin Kay knew each other through the fashion industry, though Gilmour's aunt did live close by the boutique?

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989-07-30/travel/8902210505_1_canadian-shirt-fashions

    Robin Kay was married to Keir Brownstone, a member of The Parachute Club rock band. Hart Peikoff, Robin Kay's former husband, Keir Brownstone (her current husband at the time) and Robin started the Robin Kay knitwear stores. Keir Brownstone became the new bass player of the Parachute Club in 1984, replacing Russ Boswell, the year after Erin was killed.

    https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1812&dat=19931110&id=IOFOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EUwDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1709,5479234
     
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    Just a thought, did the two women go to the same hair stylist, nail salon, furniture store?
    speculation, imo.

    http://globalnews.ca/news/2982560/c...ing-for-killer-linked-to-2-murders-from-1983/
    By Erica Vella

    October 29, 2016

    Cold Case Files: Toronto police searching for killer linked to 2 murders from 1983

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    Erin Gilmour
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    [video=youtube;vGf_2_V0Om8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGf_2_V0Om8[/video]
    [h=1]Extended interview with Erin Gilmour’s bother, Sean McCowan[/h]
     

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