CANADA Canada - Toronto, WhtFem, 19-40, under a cement floor, DOD 1949 or prior, May’95

[Romulus]

1612UFON - Unidentified Female

Artist's reconstruction.

Date of Discovery: May 18, 1995
Location of Discovery: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Estimated Date of Death: 1949 or prior
State of Remains: Skeletal remains
Cause of Death: Head injuries possibly from being struck with a hammer.

Physical Description
Estimated Age: 19-40 years old
Race: White
Sex: Female
Height: 5'5" to 5'7"
Weight: Unknown
Hair Color: Reddish brown or dark blond to dark brown
Eye Color: Unknown
Distinguishing Marks/Features: An upper dental plate was found with the bones.

Identifiers
Dentals: Unknown
Fingerprints: No
DNA: Yes

Clothing & Personal Items
Clothing: Unknown
Jewelry: Unknown
Additional Personal Items: Unknown

Circumstances of Discovery
During demolition, on May 18, 1995, unidentified female remains were discovered under a cement floor at the former site of Robertson Motors (car dealership) located on 1515 Danforth Avenue in Toronto, Ontario. The cement flooring had been poured in 1949.

Investigating Agency(s)
Agency Name: Toronto Police Service
Agency Contact Person: Unknown
Agency Phone Number: 1-877-934-6363
Agency E-Mail: opp.isb.resolve@opp.ca
Agency Case Number: 95-80618

NCIC Case Number:
NamUs Case Number:
Former Hot Case Number: 700

Information Source(s)
NCMPUR
Toronto Star, May 20, 24 and 29, 1995
1612UFON

 

[JupiterAmmon]

What would an upper dental plate mean? How "old" were people who got these back then?

 

[Lady77]

A 97 year old friend had her natural teeth removed when she was 21 and has had plates ever since, because dental costs were so high and many people could not ( and still cant) afford on going dental treatment. My friend would only been 25 years of age back in 1949. To me the image posted looks like someone in their 30s. I wonder if the records of previous owners or companies that leased the property have been checked out?

 

[Lady77]

I had a quick sweep of Canadian woman on the Doe Network and could not find any matches to consider.

 

[Giuc0]

Neither did I on DN.

However, maybe the provincial polices or RCMP websites will lead to something?

There's also a Canadian database similar to NamUS Home
There are many more cases than on DN.

 

[Giuc0]

I found a possible match. However, she is older than age estimated and she has no ear lobes. Her photo differs from the reconstruction too.

The pros is that she went missing in 1942-1943 from Toronto and she wore false teeth.

She is not on Doe Network

Dorothy Cox
Canada's Missing | Case details

 

[victoriarobinson642]

For what's it worth, I do see some resemblance.

 

[Triss]

For what's it worth, I do see some resemblance.

I do too! Did anyone call it in?

 

[Lady77]

For what's it worth, I do see some resemblance.

I do too! I think it is worth calling in - I am new to this place so I dont feel comfortable calling it in.

 

[Giuc0]

My problem is time difference. When it's 00:00 in France, it's 18:00 in Ontario

I have pathological phobia of authority figures + ESL (English as Second Language).

Time difference + pathological phobia of authority figures + ESL = I feel very uncomfortable with calling LE.
Canada LE and email are not a lucky combo with me.


However, if there's Crime Stoppers in the area, I can do it.
Guys and gals, do you think that it's an acceptable option?

 

[Susikatze]

Or maybe some local can call in?

My problem is time difference. When it's 00:00 in France, it's 18:00 in Ontario

I have pathological phobia of authority figures + ESL (English as Second Language).

Time difference + pathological phobia of authority figures + ESL = I feel very uncomfortable with calling LE.
Canada LE and email are not a lucky combo with me.


However, if there's Crime Stoppers in the area, I can do it.
Guys and gals, do you think that it's an acceptable option?

 

[Susikatze]

Now I am confused. This blog claims it was indeed Dorothy Cox and her husband was a worker at the construction site?

The Other Danforth – Midway Jane's Walk | Ripple: 2012-2014

 

[Susikatze]

So, I found a scientific article about MtDNA of the bones compared to Dorothys children. The UID is ruled out to be their mother, it is not Dorothy (unless the children were adopted but there is nothing pointing to that). We can consider Dorothy being ruled out.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAQegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw2htVseGDyECoeuDmYgKptw

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

Not saying there's a connection here (because it most likely isn't), but this case reminds me of the Kern Floor Lady from 1973:

CA - CA - Kern Co., Fem HC497, 20-25, under concrete floor of foundry, May'73

 

[Susikatze]

It is insane because lore has it it is Dorothy and allegedly her husband worked in building the car sales place during the time she disappeared.


But she is ruled out for good.

1st possibility: It is all lore and the public randomly connected 2 cases. Dorothys husband did probably not even work at the site.

2nd possibility: The bone specimen used for DNA is mislabeled. Can happen in archives over the decades.

3rd possibility: Her kids are not her biological kids (but unlikely).

 

[Blurgle]

According to a Facebook entry she's also being looked into as a possible match to Mary Jane Croft Vangilder, who went missing from Ohio in 1945.

Mary Jane Vangilder – The Charley Project

 

[LadyL]

It is insane because lore has it it is Dorothy and allegedly her husband worked in building the car sales place during the time she disappeared.


But she is ruled out for good.

1st possibility: It is all lore and the public randomly connected 2 cases. Dorothys husband did probably not even work at the site.

2nd possibility: The bone specimen used for DNA is mislabeled. Can happen in archives over the decades.

3rd possibility: Her kids are not her biological kids (but unlikely).

I'll go with #1.

 

[Susikatze]

Somehow every single before 1950 case in whole North America is thought to be her...tongue in cheek...
I hope they find her but it is more likely she was buried closer to her home...and she was in the middle of a bitter divorce and custody battle with an abusive and violent husband, who "miraculously" gained custody because MJ suddenly disappeared and never showed up for court... I doubt she was brought to Toronto and placed there 4 years after she disappeared. There are quicker and closer ways to get rid of your ex wife...

According to a Facebook entry she's also being looked into as a possible match to Mary Jane Croft Vangilder, who went missing from Ohio in 1945.

Mary Jane Vangilder – The Charley Project

 

[Lady77]

My head is just spinning I am going with #2

 

[Gibbo214]

Somehow every single before 1950 case in whole North America is thought to be her...tongue in cheek...
I hope they find her but it is more likely she was buried closer to her home...and she was in the Thof a bitter divorce and custody battle with an abusive and violent husband, who "miraculously" gained custody because MJ suddenly disappeared and never showed up for court... I doubt she was brought to Toronto and placed there 4 years after she disappeared. There are quicker and closer ways to get rid of your ex wife...

There were hardly any custody battles in those days. Men could just leave without paying any maintenance or child support. I think it more likely he was a wife beater and went too far.