Canadian hostage, wife & children freed from Afghanistan, Oct 2017 #1

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Lilibet said:
Something I don’t recall hearing before...

They [Caitlan’s parents] seemed amazed that after the family was rescued, Boyle refused to allow American doctors to examine his children or board an American military airplane, demanding to be flown to Canada on a commercial airline instead.
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The authorities couldn't have overridden his demands?
 
Now that we know JB had a burglary in his past, does it seem more likely that he staged the burglary at his folks/ place?
 
RickshawFan said:
One thing I'm not sure anyone has mentioned, but it struck me right away. In the hostage photos, JB and the kids have both newly had their hair cut. It is neat and not hacked off. In other words, it is styled. His is even styled in a Taliban style. They also seem to be fairly clean. This is not from living in a dark hole.
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Yup, and the pacifier in the child mouth is also strange, didnt know they had a Walgreens close by for baby supplies.
 
I don't doubt that she's a suffered. And I'm sure she was the perfect target (innocent, homeschooled, etc...).

His family it seems has been enabling him for far too long. They sent the family care packages for crying out loud. I'm assuming the care packages included luxuries like flashlights, batteries, pacifiers and Lord only knows what else. Maybe even cash to cover the expense of hosting these two.

It's too bad the U.S. isn't releasing any intelligence details. It might help free her of him and keep him behind bars...
 
FightTheOstrich said:
I don't doubt that she's a suffered. And I'm sure she was the perfect target (innocent, homeschooled, etc...).

His family it seems has been enabling him for far too long. They sent the family care packages for crying out loud. I'm assuming the care packages included luxuries like flashlights, batteries, pacifiers and Lord only knows what else. Maybe even cash to cover the expense of hosting these two.

It's too bad the U.S. isn't releasing any intelligence details. It might help free her of him and keep him behind bars...
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To be fair, I'm not sure the time for tough love is when your son, DIL, and three young grandchildren have been kidnapped by Islamic militants. Even if the people who are suggesting the whole thing was staged are right (and I don't think they are), presumably the Boyles believed that they were all actually captives. You'd have to be a monster not to send a care package given the opportunity.
 
RickshawFan said:
Who calls themselves "hostages extraodinaires"? Top notch hostages? Like, they were the best hostages ever? Who does that?
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Lol!! Comepletely OT! I can think of someone!! Sorry!
 
Pulling some interesting tidbits from articles early in the thread 12/31/2012:

The Coleman parents broke their silence after several months but...[FONT=&amp]

“The Colemans asked that Josh be identified by his first name only to protect his privacy.”
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[/FONT]Why did Josh need privacy? Because of his prior marriage?

“Despite her travel fever, love of history and a desire to do good, her father said Caitlan "wanted basically to be a housewife and have a bunch of kids."”

So, they decide to “start their family” as hostages.
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[/FONT][FONT=&amp]“According to Hazrat Janan, the head of the provincial council in Afghanistan's Wardak province, the two were abducted in Wardak in an area about 25 miles west of the capital Kabul. They were passing through Wardak while traveling from Ghazni province south of Kabul to the capital.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Wardak province, despite its proximity to Kabul, is a rugged, mountainous haven for the Taliban and travel along its roads is dangerous. Foreigners who do not travel with military escorts take a substantial risk.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]He said they were believed to have been taken from one district in Wardak to a second and then into Ghazni.”

Any intelligent person would know they would be in danger traveling in this area. See next link.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...nistan-pleads-article-1.1230147#ixzz2GhihrWgg
BBM

The country is generally deemed unsafe for tourists and the area where they vanished is particularly dangerous for foreigners. Last year a German tourist was killed while traveling through central Afghanistan and a Canadian tourist was kidnapped not far from where Caitlan and her husband were last heard from.

Caitlan's father said the couple liked to travel primarily in small villages, getting to know locals along the way, and had said they were "heading into the mountains" before they disappeared.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/caitla...-months-in-afghanistan-with-canadian-husband/
BBM
 
More from a Canadian 12/31/2012 article in which Boyle is identified:

“Unaware of the difficult residence and work issues upon a Canadian and American marrying, they planned a series of lengthy travels for 2 years before settling down to family life,” Boyle’s parents said.

“In 2011, they spent 4 months travelling throughout all the countries of Central America, returning for Thanksgiving. They enjoyed staying in hostels and tents, connecting as much as possible with local people and helping out as opportunities arose.”
Boyle kept in touch with a Star reporter during those years, writing periodically about his travels. In September 2011, he emailed from Honduras that he was doing volunteer work.

His last email to the Star was sent in March, when he said he was set to travel again soon.

So who was financing their travel? His parents? Was he paid by the Star?
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“According to media reports in October, two foreigners thought to be Canadian and American went missing while travelling to Kabul from Ghazni in an area notorious for Taliban attacks and checkpoints. Afghan police suspected the Taliban in the disappearance and said they had information that the abductees were to be taken to Pakistan. The trail later ran cold.

A tribal elder in the region said the road on which the missing pair was reportedly travelling was so dangerous that even locals wouldn’t use it. The two were never identified by name.”

:banghead:

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...band_and_new_wife_missing_in_afghanistan.html
 
Datchery said:
To be fair, I'm not sure the time for tough love is when your son, DIL, and three young grandchildren have been kidnapped by Islamic militants. Even if the people who are suggesting the whole thing was staged are right (and I don't think they are), presumably the Boyles believed that they were all actually captives. You'd have to be a monster not to send a care package given the opportunity.
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Yes, the families did believe they were kidnapped, and early articles seem to confirm that, so it makes sense to send what they could. How did they know the “address” though? Where would you send a care package in that kind of situation? The Taliban denied knowledge and it turned out to be the Haqqani. Who would deliver it?

I doubt the whole thing has been staged, but JB had to know what he could encounter and deliberately put them both in a potentially dangerous situation. For what? Grandiosity is his middle name. I’m inclined to think he has exaggerated and/or lied about certain aspects for propaganda purposes.
JMO
 
RickshawFan said:
Serendipitous find...A current BBC article on pregnancy in wild Iraq. It looks more civilized and less extreme than anywhere JB and his family were, but maybe it’ll give ideas.

http://www.bbc.com/news/stories-42160056
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Fascinating article. Thanks. I thought it was both interesting and heartbreaking that the Kurds had babies during the worst of times in order to ensure their survival as a people. That I can understand. JB and CC having babies while hostages, under even worse circumstances, just to get a head start on their large family, is another matter entirely IMO.

When Kavout's family fled chemical bombs in 1988 and were forced into a Turkish refugee camp, her parents brought another three children into the world at a time when they didn't know whether they would be sent back to their deaths in Iraq....

I had always just assumed that this was because Kurdish people didn't have contraception, but one day I asked Kavout about it directly: "Why did your parents bring so many children into the world when their lives were so unstable and their children would face so many dangers?". "Because they were told to," she said. "Saddam was trying to exterminate us, so they needed to keep having children to ensure our survival. The [Peshmerga] leadership actually told them to."

For decades, Iraqi Kurds had been persecuted and killed in huge numbers. Their lives were unimaginably hard and there was no certainty that every, or indeed any, Kurdish child would live to adulthood. The more children they had, the more chances there were that some might make it. Kurdish women played many vital roles in the rebellion - fighters, smugglers, messengers or healers - but bearing children was the most important of all.
 
That was a great article about Iraq. Afghanistan is one of the worst places in the world to be pregnant, let alone give birth. There are very few midwives, almost none in the conflict areas, and women are not allowed to see male doctors. Women die giving birth at one of the highest rates in the world. One statistic I came across said that one in four children under the age of five dies (mostly due to lack of healthcare).

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...hanistan-may-be-worse-than-previously-thought
 
An opinion piece in the Star about JB:

So Much Of the Joshua Boyle Story Just Makes No Sense

I don’t believe Joshua Boyle.

Never have.

Not the alleged abduction of Boyle and pregnant wife Caitlin Coleman in Afghanistan by the Taliban-aligned Haqqani network, not their diverse reasons for venturing into a benighted and extremely dangerous war-ravaged country where the Taliban has been clawing back swaths of territory since NATO and American forces withdrew, not the purportedly wretched circumstances in which they were held captive for five years, and not the inconsistent details of a rescue operation conducted by Pakistan commandos last October.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/sta...e-joshua-boyle-story-just-makes-no-sense.html

ETA: I posted this by mistake on the other Canadian thread I’m following about the Sherman deaths. Then I wondered why it wasn’t here. :facepalm: Time for bed! :eek:fftobed:
 
I was going to ask, is this another 'tennis court' thing? LOL
Must read the Sherman thread to get the humour. Sorry, its far to late to be up.
 
bears10 said:
So Caitlan has a liver condition that requires regular medical treatment. Yet not only was she was able to survive living in those terrible conditions, but she was able to give birth to three children, all without medical care. Aren’t liver problems more common during pregnancy? Meaning wouldn’t her existing liver condition be exacerbated by pregnancy, especially since she presumably had no prenatal care or vitamins? I just can’t understand how she gave birth three times in their supposed living conditions, with no medical care. Thank god josh was able to deliver one of the babies in the dark with a flashlight in his mouth [emoji849] major /s


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I can't find where, but I read in another article or on this forum that CC had liver issues as well. I questioned what they were, because depending on what it was it can possibly discredit JB on the miscarriage/death of the other infant daughter and show the kidnappers were correct in that they did not kill the baby or cause a miscarriage. I'm brainstorming here.....

I have 3 children. Apparently, once you get this condition you will get it for all future pregnancies. I did not have this condition with my first child. But my second and third I had obstetric liver cholestasis. Essentially, your liver stops performing and processing food as efficiently as normal. Bile will back up. It is absolute hell. The noticeable symptoms are jaundice and itchiness, especially in legs, feet and hands. And it is hell. The itching in the legs for me was unbearable, I can't even tell you. And I had a mild version of it. When you go into labor, a spontaneous stillbirth will happen. The doctor's still have not figured out why as the baby will have a heartbeat even at the start of the labor. Immediately after you have the baby, and I mean immediately, all symptoms disappear.

This is my guess: I suspect what kills the baby is all the toxins and bile that your liver is supposed to have been processing for nine months is stored and then released all at once during delivery. The baby is still attached to the mother and it's system cannot handle this so it causes the stillbirth. This is just my theory and I'm certainly not a doctor.

I've wondered if CC had this condition which explains the miscarriage, especially if she went into labor early. But, this article states CC always had liver issues. So that has thrown my theory out the window. I thought I'd still post my insight as there is still so much speculation.
 
Since seeing the photos of JB and family in the PMs office, I've wondered if he's hoping for a similar $10M payout for his time in Afghanistan.
In his mind, he seems to be a heroic and wonderful man. IMO he shouldn't get a dime and those children need to be taken into care.
His wife is an adult, can do as she wishes. IMO
 
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