CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #60

[arielilane]

Just some things to consider, in light of what we now know about T and her sense of umbrage, entitlement, loyalty.

Since Chance was T's ex, knowing what we know, what are the chances that T handled that maturely? I'd say, oh, about zero. Zero times zero. Zero to the fourth power.

Assuming shared custody or at least visitation, how did Chance feel about T moving away with H?

Now that we know that T is an unabashed murderer, don't we have to wonder what T thought about Chance in the fall, prior to marrying Al? She didn't start collecting grievances in 2020. What grievances against Chance did T have? T wants what T wants. She wanted to marry Al. And move away. Was Chance in the way? T surely wanted H to cooperate with her new marriage. Perfect new family. Did T want Chance to go away, not unlike Gannon, so that H would stop hero-worshipping and transfer her loyalties to T's love interest? Knowing T's facility in crying sexual harassment and sexual assault, did she accuse Chance of that? Did a known agent of T's do her bidding? Create an opportunity, provide the drug.... believing they were rescuing T or H from an offender, not aware of T's penchant for making those stories up? Maybe there were no issues between T and Chance, maybe no visitation, nothing irritating the T.... but she's not above reproach here. In fact she's in the belly of reproach....

I can't not ask if T played any role in his untimely death, the timing of which IMO is highly suspect.

The fact that T lied about his cause of death makes me feel all the more suspicious. Why lie about how he died? Unless it's intentional distancing.... Did T enlist a blind supporter (someone sympathetic to T and whatever T-tales she made up) to dispatch Chance before his time? Convenient that he died right when T wanted to marry and create a new family... As we know now, T has no problem eliminating what doesn't fit her picture --

I wouldn't put it past her.

Jmo

Agreed and well said, @Megnut. Very suspect indeed. Would not put anything past her. Why lie to your daughter about how their father died. She is a pathological liar and is cruel. She drove 100's of miles to get rid of Gannon's body, so there is no doubt she would drive out of town to "meet up" with another person if the desire is there.

Additionally, there was a recent event at the jail, which resulted in a jail mate's death. Imo, we may hear more about that after the trial. I just wonder if she is involved more than what has been reported.

All speculation. moo

Edited: grammar

MSN

To be clear, Stauch is not facing any charges in Lowrence’s death — her name is simply mentioned as having been present in the moments leading up to Lowrence’s fentanyl death.

New details emerge in death of El Paso County jail inmate who overdosed on fentanyl

Arrest records acquired by The Gazette show that the death of Renee Lowrance was caused by drugs that were smuggled into the jail by another inmate.

gazette.com

 

[Ontario Mom]

Since AS said he'd begged LS for 5 years to adopt HH, my guess is that it never happened because she didn't want him having any legal say over HH. Given her testimony it's pretty obvious LS liked being in complete control of everything that girl said and did.

I doubt the lack of adoption had anything to do with HH benefits but I do seem to recall it coming up here before (years ago).

She would have been eligible for those benefits but since she was a minor, they'd have been sent to LS as the authorized rep. payee for the minor HH, even if AS did adopt her - she'd still get them. I've been in that exact position so that's how I know.

 

[PawneeDew]

But CO doesn't use the M'Naghten rule by itself. So sanity is not necessarily defined in CO by knowing the difference between right and wrong. A person can know right from wrong and still be found NGRI.

That's why I worry a little. I basically agree with you - that they hopefully chose a jury who can understand and apply CO law.

From FIndLaw (link below):

//

Proving Irresistible Impulse​

In jurisdictions that use or incorporate the Irresistible Impulse Test as a criminal defense, defendants typically must present sufficient evidence to prove:

1. The existence of mental illness; and
2. That the mental illness caused the inability to control one's actions or conform one's conduct to the law.

As you can see, proving that a defendant was unable to control his or her actions at the time of a crime can be quite challenging. Often, it may require a medical examination and expert witness testimony from medical professionals who specialize in mental health conditions. The evidence would have to prove the diagnosis of a condition as well as its impact on the defendant's behavior, perhaps due to certain environmental triggers.
//

It's the use of the word "triggers" that concerns me some. 10 years ago, I hardly ever heard the word. Now, there's strong pressure on teachers to provide "trigger warnings" (and the list of them is rather long, possibly endless - most of us get around it by mentioning "there might be triggers"). But people use the word all the time, to the point that many people believe them, themselves, can be "triggered" and that their mental condition deteriorates suddenly when they are triggered.

//
The Irresistible Impulse Test was first adopted by the Alabama Supreme Court in the 1887 case of Parsons v. State. The Alabama court stated that even though the defendant could tell right from wrong, he was subject to "the duress of such mental disease [that] he had ... lost the power to choose between right and wrong" and that "his free agency was at the time destroyed," and thus, "the alleged crime was so connected with such mental disease, in the relation of cause and effect, as to have been the product of it solely."

In so finding, the court assigned responsibility for the crime to the mental illness despite the defendant's ability to distinguish right from wrong. And therefore found the defendant not guilty by reason of insanity.//

The number of times I read here on WS (daily) that LS is "insane" or "crazy" is troubling. At any rate, I do think she'll end up in the psych ward of the prison (or be transferred to a facility where they can properly deal with her).

I tend to be a worrier. I don't know CO case law well enough to understand whether CO also requires some version of M'Naghten.

I just googled "Letecia Stauch borderline diagnosis" and got no hits from any news agencies - they all led back to Websleuths (there were a couple of reddit hits as well). Inside Edition did report that LS claims to have DID.

According to what I'm reading on the Irresistible Impulse test, the matter has largely been decided by the testimony of expert witnesses. So here we are. I find Dr. Lewis to be unprofessional and one of those paid experts who is almost entirely removed from any research or clinical practice. In the end, this may come down to a battle between the defense expert and the prosecution experts - and I think you're right; the State will win out. But we're very close to the margins, as to me it's clear that LS has multiple cognitive issues and DSM symptoms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:people_acquitted_by_reason_of_insanity

The Irresistible Impulse Test - FindLaw

The Irresistible Impulse Test gained acceptance in various states as an appendage to the M'Naghten Rule, under which right versus wrong was still considered a vital part of any definition of insanity. Learn more about topics like these at FindLaw's section on Criminal Procedure.

www.findlaw.com

I believe the defense mentioned both Borderline PD and DID at some point, although I'm not sure (no link, JMO). At any rate, DID is going to be fully discussed in the second half of this trial.

What I keep coming back to is back when they did jury selection...It would be enlightening to have a transcript, or something of the questions (twitter?) that were asked of the jury by attorneys...just to get an idea of juror's mindsets.

 

[jakat]

Just some things to consider, in light of what we now know about T and her sense of umbrage, entitlement, loyalty.

Since Chance was T's ex, knowing what we know, what are the chances that T handled that maturely? I'd say, oh, about zero. Zero times zero. Zero to the fourth power.

Assuming shared custody or at least visitation, how did Chance feel about T moving away with H?

Now that we know that T is an unabashed murderer, don't we have to wonder what T thought about Chance in the fall, prior to marrying Al? She didn't start collecting grievances in 2020. What grievances against Chance did T have? T wants what T wants. She wanted to marry Al. And move away. Was Chance in the way? T surely wanted H to cooperate with her new marriage. Perfect new family. Did T want Chance to go away, not unlike Gannon, so that H would stop hero-worshipping and transfer her loyalties to T's love interest? Knowing T's facility in crying sexual harassment and sexual assault, did she accuse Chance of that? Did a known agent of T's do her bidding? Create an opportunity, provide the drug.... believing they were rescuing T or H from an offender, not aware of T's penchant for making those stories up? Maybe there were no issues between T and Chance, maybe no visitation, nothing irritating the T.... but she's not above reproach here. In fact she's in the belly of reproach....

I can't not ask if T played any role in his untimely death, the timing of which IMO is highly suspect.

The fact that T lied about his cause of death makes me feel all the more suspicious. Why lie about how he died? Unless it's intentional distancing.... Did T enlist a blind supporter (someone sympathetic to T and whatever T-tales she made up) to dispatch Chance before his time? Convenient that he died right when T wanted to marry and create a new family... As we know now, T has no problem eliminating what doesn't fit her picture --

I wouldn't put it past her.

Jmo

I like the way you think. I wouldn't put it past her either.

 

[Truth Prevails]

A couple of pages back someone was wondering what we had to support the discussion on the beds possibly being pushed together and the defendant's possible location in Gannon's bedroom.

Maybe the discussion is worn out on this by now so please feel free to just scroll on by.

Following is a short transcript I did (so I'm responsible for any errors) and the images have been posted here before so hopefully are acceptable. (And they have their own links).

Snipped at 5:37:34:
Prosecutor: That should be the south wall.

Witness: And we have a distribution of stains in this southeast corner that has aspects of a dispersion cone but not enough that I felt comfortable saying was a dispersion cone. It’s a distribution of stains that decreases as we go up from the floor along the wall and just above the letter “B” as in boy on this baseboard very near the vertical scale that runs along the window and I’m pointing out with the pointer there is an open area between—I believe it was labeled B40 and B46—that shows an absence of blood.

Prosecutor: You mentioned that, when we first started talking about voids, that it could be that just no blood went to that area.

Witness: Yes, sir.

Prosecutor: Could a person standing between a victim that’s expelling blood prevent blood from getting onto that area as well?

Witness: That’s one option. Yes, sir.

Prosecutor: What other options are there?

Witness: Some other object that might be present there. And one of the supports for, again presenting a void, going back to the example I presented about a clock or a circular plate on a wall, that object if there, would have blood stains on it that the blood landed on that intervening object and not the wall. So, I would be looking for spatter stains on any object that may have been what we call an intermediate target. So that can be a person or an inanimate object.

Prosecutor: We talked already that there was a bed in place there, was there also an absence of blood on the bed frame?

Witness: Yes, per Sgt. Hubbell there was.

Prosecutor: Okay. Is that something you could rely on to make your analysis of this particular scene?

Witness: Yes, sir. That and as well as during my examination of the scene, I looked at the ceiling in the southeast corner. I did my own examination of the south and east walls with the idea a second set of eyes never hurts and then on the blue table currently shown in People’s Exhibit 540, I examined that and did not find any bloodstains on that table.

Prosecutor: The fact that there was a bed at some point in that corner, can you tell based on your analysis that some bloodletting occurred with the bed in place, and then somehow the bed is moved and more bloodletting is happening in that scene?

Witness: That would be a possibility, yes.

Prosecutor: When you say that that would be a possibility, what are you basing that on?

Witness: The presence of blood stains on the mattress and the blood stains that are higher up on the walls. Though blood can travel several feet, so there could be an event on or near the floor that causes bloodstains to be higher on the wall but a bed in place as a horizontal surface could certainly be an item upon which the blood source could be present at the time of blood-letting events.

Prosecutor: Is it clear from your analysis of the scene that for there to be blood below the bed level that the bed had to have been moved at some point to allow blood to spatter onto those walls at a level lower than the bed?

Witness: Yes, sir. For at least some of the stains because in looking at stain shape, if we have an elliptical stain, the tail of that stain points in the direction of travel of the blood—the blood drop that created that stain. And there were stains along the wall labeled “A” in People’s Exhibit 540 where I noted that the direction of travel for the blood drops was basically horizontal or parallel to the floor at that point.
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[iamshadow21]

A couple of pages back someone was wondering what we had to support the discussion on the beds possibly being pushed together and the defendant's possible location in Gannon's bedroom.

Maybe the discussion is worn out on this by now so please feel free to just scroll on by.

Following is a short transcript I did (so I'm responsible for any errors) and the images have been posted here before so hopefully are acceptable. (And they have their own links).

Snipped at 5:37:34:
Prosecutor: That should be the south wall.

Witness: And we have a distribution of stains in this southeast corner that has aspects of a dispersion cone but not enough that I felt comfortable saying was a dispersion cone. It’s a distribution of stains that decreases as we go up from the floor along the wall and just above the letter “B” as in boy on this baseboard very near the vertical scale that runs along the window and I’m pointing out with the pointer there is an open area between—I believe it was labeled B40 and B46—that shows an absence of blood.

Prosecutor: You mentioned that, when we first started talking about voids, that it could be that just no blood went to that area.

Witness: Yes, sir.

Prosecutor: Could a person standing between a victim that’s expelling blood prevent blood from getting onto that area as well?

Witness: That’s one option. Yes, sir.

Prosecutor: What other options are there?

Witness: Some other object that might be present there. And one of the supports for, again presenting a void, going back to the example I presented about a clock or a circular plate on a wall, that object if there, would have blood stains on it that the blood landed on that intervening object and not the wall. So, I would be looking for spatter stains on any object that may have been what we call an intermediate target. So that can be a person or an inanimate object.

Prosecutor: We talked already that there was a bed in place there, was there also an absence of blood on the bed frame?

Witness: Yes, per Sgt. Hubbell there was.

Prosecutor: Okay. Is that something you could rely on to make your analysis of this particular scene?

Witness: Yes, sir. That and as well as during my examination of the scene, I looked at the ceiling in the southeast corner. I did my own examination of the south and east walls with the idea a second set of eyes never hurts and then on the blue table currently shown in People’s Exhibit 540, I examined that and did not find any bloodstains on that table.

Prosecutor: The fact that there was a bed at some point in that corner, can you tell based on your analysis that some bloodletting occurred with the bed in place, and then somehow the bed is moved and more bloodletting is happening in that scene?

Witness: That would be a possibility, yes.

Prosecutor: When you say that that would be a possibility, what are you basing that on?

Witness: The presence of blood stains on the mattress and the blood stains that are higher up on the walls. Though blood can travel several feet, so there could be an event on or near the floor that causes bloodstains to be higher on the wall but a bed in place as a horizontal surface could certainly be an item upon which the blood source could be present at the time of blood-letting events.

Prosecutor: Is it clear from your analysis of the scene that for there to be blood below the bed level that the bed had to have been moved at some point to allow blood to spatter onto those walls at a level lower than the bed?

Witness: Yes, sir. For at least some of the stains because in looking at stain shape, if we have an elliptical stain, the tail of that stain points in the direction of travel of the blood—the blood drop that created that stain. And there were stains along the wall labeled “A” in People’s Exhibit 540 where I noted that the direction of travel for the blood drops was basically horizontal or parallel to the floor at that point.
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Oh, Gannon.

You fought so hard to survive, and you suffered so much. That Bluestar reaction screams out the injustice and horror of your final moments. And that isn't even the most shocking one, that's the overlayed image. The image of the Bluestar on its own, it looks enormous and bright enough to read a book by. All I can think is to paraphrase Shakespeare... who would have thought the boy to have so much blood in him?

Thank you, @Truth Prevails . That's really wonderful transcription work. I haven't re-listened, but it matches my recall of Mr Griffin's testimony.

MOO

 

[Spartygirl]

it sounded like Al accidentally said “t-tales” instead of details earlier. And boy, that was the best Freudian slip I have ever heard. That’s exactly what it is. T-tales.

Just finished listening to yesterday's calls.
OMG-- Every single time AS asks about Gannon, who took him, was she last to see him, she lost him at Petco , etc, this evil woman continues Non-stop you ask him if he is going to be with her, with his wife, and what about her??
For crying out loud Lady, his son is missing, and she is all about her.
Enough said.

Selfish- Yes,
Insane- NOPE
The jury rests.
Case closed.
#Justice4Gannon

 

[Seattle1]

What I keep coming back to is back when they did jury selection...It would be enlightening to have a transcript, or something of the questions (twitter?) that were asked of the jury by attorneys...just to get an idea of juror's mindsets.

I listened to the jury selection via the court's Webex and the jurors were very vocal about their views on LS's NGRI defense. Some were honest they could not be fair because the death involved a young boy, and others said they would be willing to listen to the medical expert's testimony about LS's alleged condition. Judge Werner also denied a couple of strikes by the defense. I don't anticipate any surprises from the panel and believe justice for Gannon will be swift. MOO.

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

My cousin's twins were super small, too, able to fit in one hand of an adult when born. They were in the hospital for months and months. I think the only residual issues I heard they had were needing to wear glasses. Someone at my mum's church, their baby came way too early and ended up multiply disabled - CP and I think blind and deaf, too. One of my oldest friends was a teeny tiny baby born in the very early eighties. He's smart as heck, and is deaf and wears glasses or contacts. (His sensory disabilities came from the days when they didn't understand about the damage that could be done by certain levels of oxygen on preemies.) There really is a spectrum of how much or how little or in what way kids can be affected long term.

MOO

RBBM
I am *still* catching up (I have finals this week) but the bolded is so true.
My preemie was 1lb 10oz and 12 weeks early. She is 18 this June and has progressive eye issues and is still super tiny.
Yet, the only major problem she had in the hospital was repetitively suspected NEC, a serious stomach disease. I'm guessing the same stomach issues that Gannon would have had as a preemie, or something similar. But she never has had any problems with her stomach or digestive system since.
There really is a sense of unknown with preemies and what problems, if any, they have as they grow older. The research was very skimpy in 2005, but it has improved over the years, but the long-term outcome for preemies is very diverse. A baby born at 4lb and 34 weeks term, could have more problems in the future than an under 2lb born at 26 weeks.

(I apologize if it seems I am always referring to a story of my own experience, it is just how my brain works. To work out what 6 + 7 equals I think, of 7 plus 7, then take away one)

 

[k-mac]

Oh, Gannon.

You fought so hard to survive, and you suffered so much. That Bluestar reaction screams out the injustice and horror of your final moments. And that isn't even the most shocking one, that's the overlayed image. The image of the Bluestar on its own, it looks enormous and bright enough to read a book by. All I can think is to paraphrase Shakespeare... who would have thought the boy to have so much blood in him?

Thank you, @Truth Prevails . That's really wonderful transcription work. I haven't re-listened, but it matches my recall of Mr Griffin's testimony.

MOO

The bluestar tells a very scary brutal frenzy ...
one could assume that it was quick and over fast.

Cruel..... this was a very long sustained attack of a whole freezing cold night and most of the next day on this precious little boy.

The pain must have been excruciating

Gannon sweet boy .....you are my hero xx.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Re: the bluestar imaging

I almost never make posts like this because I am very aware of pareidolia and the perils of staring at a blurry image too long, but … is it possible the more scattered spatter by the window is from the stabbing, and the circular pattern on the left is from the gun shot?

(I also admittedly don’t know what the prevailing theory is on the actual mechanics of what happened, and where/when. I’m not good at picking up on what is being inferred by the questioning of crime scene techs.)

 

[arielilane]

A couple of pages back someone was wondering what we had to support the discussion on the beds possibly being pushed together and the defendant's possible location in Gannon's bedroom.

Maybe the discussion is worn out on this by now so please feel free to just scroll on by.

Following is a short transcript I did (so I'm responsible for any errors) and the images have been posted here before so hopefully are acceptable. (And they have their own links).

Snipped at 5:37:34:
Prosecutor: That should be the south wall.

Witness: And we have a distribution of stains in this southeast corner that has aspects of a dispersion cone but not enough that I felt comfortable saying was a dispersion cone. It’s a distribution of stains that decreases as we go up from the floor along the wall and just above the letter “B” as in boy on this baseboard very near the vertical scale that runs along the window and I’m pointing out with the pointer there is an open area between—I believe it was labeled B40 and B46—that shows an absence of blood.

Prosecutor: You mentioned that, when we first started talking about voids, that it could be that just no blood went to that area.

Witness: Yes, sir.

Prosecutor: Could a person standing between a victim that’s expelling blood prevent blood from getting onto that area as well?

Witness: That’s one option. Yes, sir.

Prosecutor: What other options are there?

Witness: Some other object that might be present there. And one of the supports for, again presenting a void, going back to the example I presented about a clock or a circular plate on a wall, that object if there, would have blood stains on it that the blood landed on that intervening object and not the wall. So, I would be looking for spatter stains on any object that may have been what we call an intermediate target. So that can be a person or an inanimate object.

Prosecutor: We talked already that there was a bed in place there, was there also an absence of blood on the bed frame?

Witness: Yes, per Sgt. Hubbell there was.

Prosecutor: Okay. Is that something you could rely on to make your analysis of this particular scene?

Witness: Yes, sir. That and as well as during my examination of the scene, I looked at the ceiling in the southeast corner. I did my own examination of the south and east walls with the idea a second set of eyes never hurts and then on the blue table currently shown in People’s Exhibit 540, I examined that and did not find any bloodstains on that table.

Prosecutor: The fact that there was a bed at some point in that corner, can you tell based on your analysis that some bloodletting occurred with the bed in place, and then somehow the bed is moved and more bloodletting is happening in that scene?

Witness: That would be a possibility, yes.

Prosecutor: When you say that that would be a possibility, what are you basing that on?

Witness: The presence of blood stains on the mattress and the blood stains that are higher up on the walls. Though blood can travel several feet, so there could be an event on or near the floor that causes bloodstains to be higher on the wall but a bed in place as a horizontal surface could certainly be an item upon which the blood source could be present at the time of blood-letting events.

Prosecutor: Is it clear from your analysis of the scene that for there to be blood below the bed level that the bed had to have been moved at some point to allow blood to spatter onto those walls at a level lower than the bed?

Witness: Yes, sir. For at least some of the stains because in looking at stain shape, if we have an elliptical stain, the tail of that stain points in the direction of travel of the blood—the blood drop that created that stain. And there were stains along the wall labeled “A” in People’s Exhibit 540 where I noted that the direction of travel for the blood drops was basically horizontal or parallel to the floor at that point.
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Hi, @Truth Prevails I missed the discussion you mentioned about the beds being pushed together. However, in response to your post, the topic was discussed between AS and Letecia on one of the FBI recorded phone calls played @trial, Day 11.

Transcript, no spelling corrections were made.

52:39
it's gannon's blood from a head injury now how did it get a head injury how did it get a head injury over there in the

corner I mean you freaking told on yourself saying you pushed the bands together you push the beds together

we've never pushed the beds together you're lying

oh wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute

did you do it okay so you're telling me this kid shouldn’t

even been locked in there oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh

I was in Oklahoma that's what I got to say that's my loophole okay you want to

try to pin it off of you go ahead the other day yeah I walked in there and saw it after

53:36 hey you told on yourself because you hey maybe you put it in there because you

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

I try.

To be honest, sarcasm and cynicism are coping mechanisms I've been using since at least my teenage years to deal with awful things. They're getting a big workout with this case. If I didn't use them occasionally I'd probably just be sitting here crying, and then my typing would be even worse than when I had my ADHD hyperfocus crash earlier, because I wouldn't be able to see my keyboard for the tears. Every now and then it slams down on me just how damn sad and how unnecessary this whole crime was. This poor kid was sacrificed for no other reason than to feed this vulture's ego. There's no wisecrack I can make that can make that any less awful or tragic.

MOO

I have the same coping mechanism. If you are in the hospital, and especially if it is me who is in the hospital, I will make you laugh at least 5 times before I leave. It just makes the world a brighter place when things look quite cruddy.

It was horrendous and completely unnecessary that this happened, I agree, and I know that sometimes even sarcasm or a well-placed one-liner is just not going to cut it, but there is some solace in making wisecracks about Mrs. Twit.

(Roald Dahl, The Twits)

 

[Yellow Rose]

Gotta get some rest so I can make it thru another phone call of the witch. Check back In The morning! G‘nite friends.

 

[iamshadow21]

Re: the bluestar imaging

I almost never make posts like this because I am very aware of pareidolia and the perils of staring at a blurry image too long, but … is it possible the more scattered spatter by the window is from the stabbing, and the circular pattern on the left is from the gun shot?

(I also admittedly don’t know what the prevailing theory is on the actual mechanics of what happened, and where/when.)

I think the actual interpretation is very complicated, far above what we could do as laypeople (there's a good reason the judge sustained the objection to the report being entered into evidence) and most of the large, obvious marks we can see revealed by the Bluestar are wipe marks from whatever cloth or towel or sponge she used to clean up the visible initial spatter. (Minus the pooling stain, and even that was enlarged and diluted by her scrubbing the carpet above it.)

So, think of spilling your coffee on a table and the circles, swirls and figure eights you see formed as you're wiping it up. A lot of what we're seeing is blood diluted by whatever she used to clean it (vinegar, soapy water, that kind of thing, one of the detectives, I think said he smelled bleach) and spread around by the action of wiping. The Bluestar just makes that visible.

The visible blood Griffin commented on was spatter stains 1mm or smaller - dozens of them, as small as a pinhead - that they didn't discover until the lighting was just right in Gannon's room because of how tiny they were, dilute blood that ran down the wall and pooled on the baseboard and on and behind the wall socket, and the blood that had soaked through the layers of carpet and underlay to pool on the concrete subfloor. All three of these were not immediately obvious until they investigated further.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

I think the actual interpretation is very complicated, far above what we could do as laypeople (there's a good reason the judge sustained the objection to the report being entered into evidence) and most of the large, obvious marks we can see revealed by the Bluestar are wipe marks from whatever cloth or towel or sponge she used to clean up the visible initial spatter. (Minus the pooling stain, and even that was enlarged and diluted by her scrubbing the carpet above it.)

So, think of spilling your coffee on a table and the circles, swirls and figure eights you see formed as you're wiping it up. A lot of what we're seeing is blood diluted by whatever she used to clean it (vinegar, soapy water, that kind of thing, one of the detectives, I think said he smelled bleach) and spread around by the action of wiping. The Bluestar just makes that visible.

The visible blood he commented on was spatter 1mm or smaller - dozens of them, as small as a pinhead - that they didn't discover until the lighting was just right in Gannon's room because of how tiny it was, dilute blood that ran down the wall and pooled on the baseboard and on and behind the wall socket, and the blood that had soaked through the layers of carpet and underlay to pool on the concrete subfloor. All three of these were not immediately obvious until they investigated further.

MOO

Imagine that moment.

You see a little boy's room. Unremarkable.

You apply Blustar and cut the lights.

And the story reveals itself.

Eerie.

Punch to that gut that blue was far and away Gannon's favorite color.

But there it is. Gannon's truth. And it'll take her down.

"Why are you doing this?"

It makes no sense to us big people either, Gannon. But we know it wasn't about you. You were good, through and through. Smart, kind, silly, loving, loyal, tender, creative, energetic... she may have seem big and powerful and scary, but you are mightier than she. She is small, petty, insignificant.

Your name will be remembered.

#Gannonstrong.

Jmo

 

[cujenn81]

Thought Disorder Symptoms, Diagnosis, and Treatment

Thought disorder is a disorganized way of thinking that leads to unusual speech and writing. People with thought disorder have trouble communicating with others and may have trouble recognizing that they have an issue.

www.healthline.com

After yesterday’s soul crushing evidence and our collective angst listening to T’s voice, lies, thoughts etc. I started researching Disordered Thinking not even knowing it was a “thing”.

There is a condition that is actually known for “word salad.”

This is an interesting read.

I’m looking forward to the psychiatric evidence.

LS wasn’t speaking true word salad; she was speaking the language of manipulation.

Word salad is when random words are strung together in a sentence. “Porch steps run come here” would be an example of real word salad. LS was merely using circular reasoning, outright lies, denials, and mischaracterizations of the past to confuse and frustrate AS.

 

[Megnut]

LS wasn’t speaking true word salad; she was speaking the language of manipulation.

Word salad is when random words are strung together in a sentence. “Porch steps run come here” would be an example of real word salad. LS was merely using circular reasoning, outright lies, denials, and mischaracterizations of the past to confuse and frustrate AS.

At the risk of leaning into one symptom of disordered thinking, I think we need to coin a new phrase for Tspeech. Because it's really isn't word salad.

I'm'a gonna call it word spaghetti. She just keeps slopping it on.

Wall, meet C. Wattstix.

JMO

 

[kaen]

^^bbm

This was a comment by AS in the recorded calls played on Weds, 4/19. LS was complaining about something being unfair to HH and AS responded how he'd begged LS for years to allow him to adopt HH.

Also, I recall HH testified that she struggled early on with the blended family of LS and AS because her dad had just died and she did not want to be disloyal to his memory.

MOO

I remember that also. Great point.

I would also add that HH only found out this year that her father had died of an OD rather what her mother had told her. TS had told this poor girl that he was murdered. Someone other than TS had to have known that he was not murdered and for some reason had never told HH. It must have been even more confusing to her that she did not have access to her dad's family given that she was told that he had been murdered which would have made the feeling of not wanting to be disloyal even more potent.

TS had manipulated HH and probably ever single person she spoke to. So, poor HH had times of feeling guilt, trusted her mom, and is left with the wreckage that was put upon her. That is alot for a 20 year old, even more for a very confused 17 year old who had to adjust her life goals (joining the military), going from being very protected to having no safety net. And, TS made her feel like she was abandoned by AS after she had killed Gannon. Ughhhhh, this is the stuff of soap operas and made for tv movies.

 

[Seattle1]

LS tells AS (again) she's been to the doctor and she's 5 weeks pregnant! Unbelievable...

[People's Exhibit 56 (begins about 1:07:00 mark) from February 17 2020 at 11: 49 pm and it's 43 mins long].

4/19/23 -- Letecia Stauch trial live stream: Phone calls between Letecia and Gannon’s dad played for jury​