CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #19 *ARREST*

[PommyMommy]

Just in case it helps, here is the DA saying that his counsel will have it today. Starts at 8:00 in this press conference video.

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Thank you so much!
MOO

 

[LietKynes]

This concerns me a bit. I really hope this doesn’t bite them in the butt later and give PF grounds for mistrial.

Not being able to discuss with PF and PF only can have contact with family currently. Makes you wonder... MOO

SABBM

That's frightening for KB's poor baby.
Even if it turns out that he had someone else murder her.... and PF still ended up doing some time --when he gets out , he's going to go take full custody of that little one.

 

[Loulu]

Possibly, if the relationship ever got that far. I just doubt Patrick's sincerity towards any woman. I think he is incapable of love.

I agree with this 100%

 

[bestill]

I wonder if the 2 men seen with PF at the dump are involved?

Or saw something that was a red flag!

I believe the defense knows, and has shared with him, what led to the charges.

My understand is that the prosecution wants it publicized at this point.

I don't think the prosecution wants it publicized and I believe his attorney will be able to see it this afternoon but PF will not be able to, hence the Friday hearing. MOO

 

[bestill]

Possibly, if the relationship ever got that far. I just doubt Patrick's sincerity towards any woman. I think he is incapable of love.

I agree with this 100%

You don't think he loves his mother and little KB?

 

[Steelslady]

Steelylady, are you serious or joking?

Serious? Why would I joke about something like that?

 

[missy1974]

I am listening to the press conference again:

He says: under Colorado law, we file separate counts on the different theories of 1st degree murder. We filed under 2 theories, one is deliberation murder and the other is felony murder. Felony murder in this case is set out in the charge, is that when you rob somebody and they die during the robbery, that is also 1st degree murder, so we have filed under both theories in this case.

It's within the first few minutes of the press conference.

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[FrankieT]

The words "attempted robbery" may be coming from the media, but it's based on there being a charge of felony murder against PF. Felony murder is defined as when a victim dies in the course of another serious crime being committed. There is a list of crimes that qualify, and I think the media might just be speculating that the most likely one in this case would be attempted robbery.

ETA link to definition of Colorado felony murder charge: Felony murder rule (Colorado) - Wikipedia

So this list of things could also be burglary, kidnapping, sexual assault...

 

[MassGuy]

This concerns me a bit. I really hope this doesn’t bite them in the butt later and give PF grounds for mistrial.

Not being able to discuss with PF and PF only can have contact with family currently. Makes you wonder... MOO

There is a legal basis for this secrecy, and it’s not like he’s not going to be privy to all this information at a later date.

It’s not going to hinder his defense, not in the long term.

The safety of witnesses and preserving the integrity of this ongoing investigation, is paramount here.

I’m glad the judge agreed with the prosecution.

This guy is dangerous.

 

[katydid23]

My god, it sounds to me like they really have no idea HOW he did it, yet they have confidence they can prove a case beyond reasonable doubt?

Here is a hypothetical, that could show they did know a lot, but not every detail yet.

Let's say, hypothetically, that PF had a girlfriend up in Idaho. And he asked one of her friends or relatives, to help him get rid of KB. And she knew about him asking for help.

And let's say that friend came to Thanksgiving with PF, and left with KB's missing cell, and brought it to Twin Falls area. And maybe, after KB was reported missing, and the police came to question the girlfriend, she admitted that she knew a lot of incriminating info.

Maybe the gf told LE that her friend went to PF's and helped get rid of KB and came back with the cell. So the cops charged PF with the robbery charge.

HOWEVER, the 'friend' may be denying that they helped with the murder. They may be adamant that they refused to help but did agree to send the texts when they returned home, and that's all. So then LE made the 2nd charge.

If so, then LE does know how and when it happened. They are just not sure if the 2nd person actually helped or not. But if the forensics proves the story the girlfriend is telling, the jury will convict, imo.

HYPOTHETICALLY speaking of course...

 

[Concernedmamaof3]

There is a legal basis for this secrecy, and it’s not like he’s not going to be privy to all this information at a later date.

It’s not going to hinder his defense, not in the long term.

The safety of witnesses and preserving the integrity of this ongoing investigation, is paramount here.

I’m glad the judge agreed with the prosecution.

This guy is dangerous.

I hope so. I may have watched too many crime documentaries where small things open the door for charges to be reversed!

The fact that they are concerned for witness’ safety should he learn who they are is terrifying. You seem to have been around a long time and have seen many cases. Do you feel like this would be his first foray into crime? Is it common for someone to go from law abiding to solicitation of murder?

 

[cluciano63]

Attempted kidnapping could make murder into felony murder as well...if originally the plan was to take her elsewhere. Jmo seems most likely to me.

 

[BRRI]

There is a legal basis for this secrecy, and it’s not like he’s not going to be privy to all this information at a later date.

It’s not going to hinder his defense, not in the long term.

The safety of witnesses and preserving the integrity of this ongoing investigation, is paramount here.

I’m glad the judge agreed with the prosecution.

This guy is dangerous.

I don’t know. I see what you mean, but if I were arrested for murder, I’d want all of the facts too, so I’m torn. I think PF likely knows who else is involved and talking. He would know who knew things. A second killer/accomplice would likely know too. I’m thinking they aren’t 100% sure of their storyline yet, so are trying to delay as much as they can, trying to get final pieces together.

 

[MassGuy]

I hope so. I may have watched too many crime documentaries where small things open the door for charges to be reversed!

The fact that they are concerned for witness’ safety should he learn who they are is terrifying. You seem to have been around a long time and have seen many cases. Do you feel like this would be his first foray into crime? Is it common for someone to go from law abiding to solicitation of murder?

He may have committed small crimes before, but I absolutely think that this is his first major crime.

Countless people who have no previous criminal record, have gone on to solicit or commit murder.

In many cases that garner national attention, that is the case.

He is very different from someone like a serial killer, whose crimes are preceded by a pattern of smaller crimes.

Those guys build up to murder.

 

[BRRI]

He may have committed small crimes before, but I absolutely think that this is his first major crime.

Countless people who have no previous criminal record, have gone on to solicit or commit murder.

In many cases that garner national attention, that is the case.

He is very different from someone like a serial killer, whose crimes are preceded by a pattern of smaller crimes.

Those guys build up to murder.

Just this year alone. Natalie Bollinger’s killer, CW, Mollie’s killer...

 

[Love Never Fails]

I am listening to the press conference again:

He says: under Colorado law, we file separate counts on the different theories of 1st degree murder. We filed under 2 theories, one is deliberation murder and the other is felony murder. Felony murder in this case is set out in the charge, is that when you rob somebody and they die during the robbery, that is also 1st degree murder, so we have filed under both theories in this case.

It's within the first few minutes of the press conference.

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Thanks. I knew the press didn’t make this up.

 

[Nudgee]

OK...here's where my rambling brain is going with all of this...

~ appears PF started this evil mission on Sept 01, 2018 so it took some time.

~PF talks to someone about this and person declines to commit the crime. I also believe this could very well be the person "cooperating with LE" which led LE to the arrest of PF & the solicitation charge/s, which is why said person has not been charged yet/if ever.

~IF so, PF may have discussed with this first "solicited"person about making it look like a robbery gone bad and figured this may have been stated to the next person solicited (I'm trying to figure out how LE has thrown in the felony murder charge and the solicitation charge/s).

~since the original person declined his offer, PF found a second person. First solicited person doesn't know who second solicited person is so can't name him/her but knows enough to lead LE in the direction the charges/case are going. ( I think this is very likely)

~Finally, I think it is entirely possible that PF really does not know where KB's body is or exactly what happened that Thanksgiving day in her townhouse. If PF really did hire a hit man, a PROFESSIONAL one at that, PF may not even know who killed KB....there could have been an agreement where the hit man was paid upfront, prior to, by a party acting between PF and the hit man, and the deal involved ABSOLUTELY NO FURTHER COMMUNICATION after payment. I don't think a professional hit man would even want to know the parties involved. Too much of a risk in the person hiring them breaking down. PF seems determined enough to take the risk of making payment upfront to someone unknown to him and would know in due time if paid hit man had indeed committed the crime.

I'm going with a professional hit man. The Dalia Dippolito case was local where I live...my husband was called for jury duty in that case (not picked, fortunately). She hired a hit man to kill her husband, thankfully LE did an undercover operation once notified, and her then husband is alive now and she is in jail. I wish whoever is talking to LE now, talked earlier and KB would still be alive :-(

This case is too bizarre, tight lipped, and a reach out of all possible charges on LE's behalf to make sure they get justice for KB and family. While LE they may never know who actually killed KB or what exactly happened, they are going to be darn sure to hold PF responsible for her murder. Thank Goodness for all the LE departments involved.

Warned you my brain was rambling .....This is so incredibly sad.....between the CW case and now this one.... I think I should go back to my younger years and just start reading romance novels again. Safe and Happy New Year to everyone!

 

[girlhasnoname]

So this list of things could also be burglary, kidnapping, sexual assault...

DA May said robbery specifically in the media PC.

 

[SandyQLS]

Is the actual cell phone in the Hans of LE?

That's a good question. A local TV reporter in Twin Falls, ID was the first to make that claim iirc. Then some other media sources starting repeating it. BUT, and someone correct me if this is wrong, I do not remember LE ever claiming to have it.

 

[MassGuy]

I don’t know. I see what you mean, but if I were arrested for murder, I’d want all of the facts too, so I’m torn. I think PF likely knows who else is involved and talking. He would know who knew things. A second killer/accomplice would likely know too. I’m thinking they aren’t 100% sure of their storyline yet, so are trying to delay as much as they can, trying to get final pieces together.

This isn’t your standard domestic homicide, one that typically involves just two people, victim and killer.

In a case like that, the suspect would typically be privy to a lot of information at this stage. He would know what LE has on him.

PF apparently reached out to atleast one person here, although I suspect there are more.

The web may be a bit convoluted at this stage, and it will take time to develop some clarity.

They can’t jeopardize their ongoing investigation, and allow him to reach out to witnesses or potential accomplices.

They’re playing it safe.