Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #22 *ARREST*

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    WOODLAND PARK – The Woodland Park Police Department is asking for the public’s help in locating a missing 29-year-old woman.

    According to Woodland Park PD, Kesely Berreth was last seen in Woodland Park on Nov. 22nd.

    Berreth is described as a white female, 5’3″ tall, 110 pounds, with brown hair.

    If you have any information on her whereabouts, please contact the Woodland Park Police Department at (719) 687-9262.

    Woodland Park PD seeking public’s help in locating missing woman

    Woodland Park Police Department

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    What we know about Kelsey:
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    29 years old
    5'3 and 110 lbs

    Employment:

    Flight instructor with a Commercial Pilot's License
    Worked at a coffee shop in Florissant for a few months
    Worked as a Flight Instructor at Springs Aviation in Peyton, CO in 2016
    Currently works for Doss Aviation as a flight instructor in Pueblo, CO (abt 70 miles from Woodland Park)

    Education:
    KB spent most of her childhood attending Crestview School in Moses Lake, WA
    Crestview School is tied to the local Seventh Day Adventist Church which held a vigil for Kelsey
    Trained as a pilot at Big Bend Community College in Moses Lake, WA

    Address and location history:
    Born in Grant County, Washington
    Raised in Warden, Washington
    Kelsey moved to Sandpoint, ID at some point
    Moved to Woodland Park, CO in 2016
    Had a PO Box address in Florissant, CO
    Lived in another townhouse unit in her subdivision before buying her current home
    Current address: 269 E Lake Ave, Woodland Park, CO
    --Home purchased by KB in May 2018
    --2 bedroom, 1 bath Duplex/Townhouse

    Info on KB's Personality and Interests
    “She’s not the kind that runs off. This is completely out of character…Kelsey is reliable, considerate and honest,” -KB's Mom

    "She's such a good person, a loving person,""She's grounded and responsible. She has a one year old child, she wouldn't just leave her." -KB's Cousin

    'When you're around Kelsey, I think you just feel like a better person, being around Kelsey makes me smile, it makes me smile just to think about her, she's just a good person.' -KB's cousin

    "a little reserved and sometimes soft-spoken" -A former boss

    'I don't think she left willingly. Kelsey's so reliable and responsible, she's a mom, she would never leave her child. She was very excited [to be a mom], and she was a great mom.' --KB's Cousin

    Relatives have described Kelsey as a sweet, quiet woman who radiates a warm energy.

    “When you see her, you want to give her a great big hug and squeeze her cheeks. You can feel the energy coming from her. She’s kind, compassionate and honest,” -KB's BIL

    “She was like the sister I never had.” -KB's BIL

    Kelsey takes a while to warm up to people, but that her relationships are meaningful; Kelsey focused on the quality of her friendships instead of quantity -KB's BIL

    KB enjoyed paddle boarding, canoeing and bike riding -KB's BIL

    KB is a sweet, loving “country girl” who loves horses, hiking and the outdoors. -KB's Cousin

    KB loves hiking, running and bicycling.

    “She looks like such an angel, and I think that she is,” “She’s the kind of person where you feel better when you’re around her.” -KB's Cousin

    “She’s an awesome person. She’s so kind… You can tell she’s a very kind-hearted person,” -a neighbor

    Family info from MSM:
    KB's parents are retired hay farmers and lived north of Warden until a few years ago when they moved to Sandpoint, Idaho
    KB's brother and brother-in-law live in Tacoma, WA
    KB's Uncle lives in Moses Lake, WA
    KB and her mom talked often; they were attached at the hips since she was little and they were best friends
    KB's mom knew her schedule and when to call her/when not to call because she was teaching classes; It was weird when she had not heard from Kelsey
    “She and her brother spoke multiple times a week, as well as her mom.” -KB's BIL
    "They're a very close-knit family" -KB's Cousin

    What we know about Patrick Frazee:
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    32 Years Old
    6'3 and 205 lbs

    Education:
    Went to Woodland Park High School
    PF Jail Record lists "some college"

    Employment:
    Farrier
    Cattle Rancher
    Breeds cow herding dogs
    Rodeo competitor

    Address and location history:

    PF was born in Colorado Springs and raised in Teller County
    Currently lives with his mother at 1713 Wildhorn Rd Forissant, CO
    --property searched by LE and owned by his mother
    --35-acre ranch has a one-and-a-half story home and a 1,300 sq ft barn

    Family info from MSM:
    PF's parents are divorced
    PF's mother is a registered nurse
    In addition to the property searched, PF's mother owns 2 other properties in the area
    PF has 3 siblings
    PF's brother SF works for the Colorado Springs Police Department
    A cousin has worked for the Garfield County Sheriff’s Office
    An uncle FF is a retired Kiowa County sheriff

    Info from people who know PF:
    “He worked on my horses for a real short time till he punched one in the gut with a rasp and that was about the last time I let him work on my horses,” -MG

    'It's a characteristic that was ongoing for years. Anytime he was at a rope and his horse didn't act right, he'd rip on his face, kick him. In the community, we were all at ropings and stuff, but if the horse doesn't do exactly what it's supposed to do you don't just beat them.' -MG

    'One time we were at a rodeo in Cripple Creek and he got mad because his horse didn't do good and somebody didn't heel just right to help him get in the money and he got so mad he left out of Cripple Creek Rodeo, flipped his horse trailer with his horse in it and almost killed that horse.
    'He got mad, tries to get his vehicle out of there and there's too many cars tightly packed in. Lots of people were there. -MG

    'He was in a rage of being mad and angry, because the heeler didn't heel and they lost out the money. It was kind of a sad deal, especially trying to get the horse out that was traumatic for everybody.' -MG

    A former girlfriend of PF declined to speak to the press but her partner commented saying that he knew Frazee to be aggressive with horses and dogs but that he did not beat his girlfriends.
    “He cheated on her while she was in the hospital, take that for what it’s worth,” the man said of his current partner’s former relationship with Frazee

    'Patrick is a horseshoer, I heard once he was thumping on the horse "saying this is how you've got to do it," that horse reared up and kicked him right in the forehead, he got a bunch of stitches and his [then] girlfriend hauled him to the hospital to get stitches.' -High School Classmate of PF

    'Oh yeah, he's a recluse for sure. I haven't seen him in 10 years or so.' -High School Classmate of PF

    A neighbor heard 'mixed things' about Frazee's alleged rough behavior with animals.
    He was quiet and shy. He had his own friends circle and stayed close to his friends,' he said.
    'He did come across, "I'm a big tough cowboy." But that's that cowboy way, got be strong.
    'That's how he was raised, he raised horses. I think if you're raised country that's normal, if you're raised city it's going to seem harsh. It's not wrong in his eyes. Sometimes there's neglect and over abuse yes, he'd tread the fine line on it I'd say. You've got make a horse submit to what you want to do. You've got to be kind of firm. You shouldn't hit them.' --Former Neighbor HF

    Two friends of Patrick defended him and rejected any suggestion he was cruel towards animals:

    'He's an old fashioned cowboy. He's just old school, he does things the old way. He shoes horses modern, but he trains horses the way people used to do it, I wouldn't say that he's cruel or not. He's a stand up real good guy. I've just known him for years and he's a great person.'
    The friend said he had not met Frazee's fiancée but added: 'I know the day I saw him he was a great dad to the daughter and he's a good guy. He was fine. --Man who saw PF shoe horses in Sept.

    'I know him, when we had horses he used to trim our horses hooves. He was a very nice young man, I knew him all growing up, we used to go to the Gymkhana and the rodeos when he was younger. I've known him since 2003 and I never saw him do anything inappropriate or out of order.' -DR, runs the propane store

    "I've always considered him to be a gentle soul. Soft spoken and just really down to Earth and practical." “couldn’t imagine him doing anything that would harm anyone.” -Friend, SO

    Relationship info reported by others:

    KB and PF met online according to her cousin
    PF helped KB move from WA to CO only months after they met
    KB told her cousin she was happy when she moved to be near PF
    KB often talked about her boyfriend (PF) at her aviation job in 2016
    Baby K was born Oct 2017
    They were engaged but did not have a wedding date set
    They have never lived together -- KB's mom

    "The relationship has been good, um, they're loving, um it hasn't been ideal, you know given given the economy and things, you know, they had plans that haven't worked out as they would have liked but they've dealt with that and they've made things work regardless." --KB's mom

    "I mean they had plans, you know, they were planning to find a place for them to live and so forth and the economy with prices dropping out...Kelsey's fiance has some cattle and stuff and prices were poor and so the money just wasn't available as soon as they had hoped, but they make it work."-- KB's mom

    There were no records of any domestic issues between the couple --Woodland Police Chief Miles De Young

    “Like most relationships it has ups and downs but for the most part it's a good relationship,” -Frazee’s lawyer

    KB's parents were skeptical of Frazee from the start, describing him as an "odd duck" --close friend of the family from church

    Misc Info
    KB owned two vehicles-- a red truck and a car used for commuting to work
    PF also owns a red truck
    Neighbor AG gave KB a baby gate the week before Thanksgiving
    AG had always assumed Frazee lived there with Kelsey and the baby as she would see him come and go in his red work truck.
    AG never heard any arguing
    An employee at Starbucks said Kelsey would pull in to the drive-thru about once a week to get a chai latte

    Sources:
    Search expands for Colorado mom, 29, last seen on Thanksgiving
    Kelsey Berreth's cousin speaks out for the first time since fiance's arrest | Daily Mail Online
    Pasco relatives pray for miracle as search continues for missing Colorado mother
    Pasco relatives pray for miracle as search continues for missing Colorado mother
    Fiance accused of killing Colorado woman missing for month
    Fiance of missing mom Kelsey Berreth ‘punched a horse in the gut,’ cheated on his ex while she was in the hospital, sources claim: Report
    Mother of missing Colorado mom speaks out on daughter's disappearance
    Mother of Kelsey Berreth asked about relationship between and her daughter and her fiancé
    Kelsey Berreth: Police Search Fiancé’s Ranch In Hunt For Missing Colorado Mom
    Fiance of missing Kelsey Berreth voluntarily releases cell phone, DNA sample to law enforcement
    Fiancee of missing Colorado mom Kelsey Berreth is arrested and charged with murder | Daily Mail Online
    Patrick Frazee: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com
    Kelsey Berreth's Fiance Is a 'Gentle Soul' Who Would Never Hurt Anyone, Friend Says
    Neighbor of missing mom Kelsey Berreth says she saw red pickup truck, possibly fiance Patrick Frazee’s, at her home the day she went missing
    Cops process evidence found in Kelsey Berreth's murder investigation now in Idaho | Daily Mail Online
    Members of Sandpoint church continue prayers for Kelsey Berreth
    Fiance accused of killing Colorado woman missing for month
     
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    November 22nd - Thursday
    (Thanksgiving)
    • KB last seen on video surveillance shopping in Safeway (noon hour)
    • KB exchanged daughter with PF (fiancé)

    November 25th - Sunday
    • Text from KB’s phone to her employer
    • KB's phone pinged in Gooding, ID (5:13 pm)
    • PF received text from KB’s phone

    December 2nd - Sunday
    • KB's mom called PF on KB's whereabouts
    • Missing person reported - KB's mom (12:37 pm)

    December 10th - Monday
    • Press Conference


    December 12th - Wednesday
    • PF Attorney releases statement - PF is cooperating with investigators

    December 13th - Thursday
    • Candlelight Vigil Held for KB

    December 14th - Friday
    • Search Warrant Franzee Property/Residence

    December 15th - Saturday
    • Twin Falls law enforcement was requested to help

    December 16th - Sunday
    • The search of Patrick Frazee's property concludes Sunday night

    December 18th - Tuesday
    • Five law enforcement vehicles seen leaving PF Property
    • PF and 2 others made trip to Waste Management Landfill

    December 19th - Wednesday
    • LE at Kelsey’s Residence

    December 20th - Thursday
    • LE at Kelsey’s Residence

    December 21st - Friday
    • Arrested- 1st Degree murder and Solicitation of Murder
    Inmate #: 2018001543
    Booking #: 18-02029
    Case #: D602018CR330
    Archonix XJail Public
    • Press Conference 10am MST
    • LE at Kelsey’s Residence
    • PF - Hearing on Advisement - 3:30pm
    Inmate #: 2018001543
    Booking #: 18-02029
    Case #: D602018CR330​
    • Vigil held for KB in Moses Lake, WA

    December 22nd - Saturday
    • Twin Falls, ID Police Department issued statement they are working with CBI and FBI to prepare and serve several search warrants, including processing items of possible evidence with the assistance of the Twin Falls County and Twin Falls Evidence Technicians.

    December 27th - Thursday
    • Temporary Custody Hearing - 1pm
    Case #: D602018JV26​


    December 31st - Monday
    • PF - First Appearance - 9am
    Inmate #: 2018001543
    Booking #: 18-02029
    Case #: D602018CR330​
     
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  7. Gardener1850

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    What We Know About The Crime So Far:

    Kelsey Berreth was last seen on video shopping at a Safeway grocery store with her 15 month old (Baby K) on Nov 22, 2018-- Thanksgiving Day;
    She entered the store at 12:05 PM and exited the store at 12:27 PM.

    Patrick Frazee told police he last saw Kelsey Berreth on November 22, when he picked up their daughter (Baby K), making him the last known person to report seeing her alive.

    3 days later, on Nov 25th KB’s cell phone sent texts to PF and KB’s employer. That same day KB’s phone pinged for the last time near Gooding, Idaho.

    Patrick Frazee was arrested on Dec 21, 2018 on charges of first-degree murder and solicitation to commit first-degree murder.

    Investigators believe KB is no longer alive and that she was murdered in her home on Nov 22, 2018.

    PF was officially charged on Dec 31, 2018 with 2 counts of 1st degree murder and with 3 counts of solicitation to commit murder. Charges can be viewed here: https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/001/Redacted C&I 18CR330.pdf

    Prosecutors filed two murder charges because they have different theories. One is that PF acted alone to kill KB, the other says PF alone or with other people killed KB during a robbery.

    The 3 solicitation charges refer to 3 separate incidents-- that may mean PF asked up to 3 individuals to murder KB, OR it may mean he asked the same person on 3 different occasions to murder KB.

    The alleged solicitations to murder KB occurred between Sept. 1 and Nov. 1, 2018.

    No other individuals have been named as being involved in the solicitation charges yet.

    There is forensic evidence in the case that needs to be tested using consumptive testing. Consumptive testing explanation: Consumptive Forensic DNA Testing •

    The probable cause affidavit outlining the case against PF has been sealed due to concerns for witness safety and the ongoing investigation. We may get to see the affidavit by Jan 29, 2019 when PF has a preliminary hearing.

    KB’s body has not yet been found.

    PF remains in police custody without bond.

    What We Know about Kelsey:

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    29 years old
    5'3 and 110 lbs

    Employment:

    Flight instructor with a Commercial Pilot's License

    Worked at a coffee shop in Florissant, CO for a few months

    Worked as a Flight Instructor at Springs Aviation in Peyton, CO in 2016

    Currently works for Doss Aviation as a flight instructor in Pueblo, CO (abt 70 miles from Woodland Park)

    Education:

    KB spent most of her childhood attending Crestview School in Moses Lake, WA

    Crestview School is tied to the local Seventh Day Adventist Church which held a vigil for Kelsey

    Trained as a pilot at Big Bend Community College in Moses Lake, WA

    Address and location history:

    Born in Grant County, Washington

    Raised in Warden, Washington

    Kelsey moved to Sandpoint, ID at some point

    Moved to Woodland Park, CO in 2016

    Had a PO Box address in Florissant, CO

    Lived in another townhouse unit in her subdivision before buying her current home

    Current address: 269 E Lake Ave, Woodland Park, CO

    --Home purchased by KB in May 2018

    --2 bedroom, 1 bath Duplex/Townhouse

    Info on KB's Personality and Interests

    “She’s not the kind that runs off. This is completely out of character…Kelsey is reliable, considerate and honest,” -KB's Mom

    "She's such a good person, a loving person,""She's grounded and responsible. She has a one year old child, she wouldn't just leave her." -KB's Cousin

    'When you're around Kelsey, I think you just feel like a better person, being around Kelsey makes me smile, it makes me smile just to think about her, she's just a good person.' -KB's cousin

    "a little reserved and sometimes soft-spoken" -A former boss

    'I don't think she left willingly. Kelsey's so reliable and responsible, she's a mom, she would never leave her child. She was very excited [to be a mom], and she was a great mom.' --KB's Cousin

    Relatives have described Kelsey as a sweet, quiet woman who radiates a warm energy.

    “When you see her, you want to give her a great big hug and squeeze her cheeks. You can feel the energy coming from her. She’s kind, compassionate and honest,” -KB's BIL

    “She was like the sister I never had.” -KB's BIL

    Kelsey takes a while to warm up to people, but that her relationships are meaningful; Kelsey focused on the quality of her friendships instead of quantity -KB's BIL

    KB enjoyed paddle boarding, canoeing and bike riding -KB's BIL

    KB is a sweet, loving “country girl” who loves horses, hiking and the outdoors. -KB's Cousin

    KB loves hiking, running and bicycling.

    “She looks like such an angel, and I think that she is,” “She’s the kind of person where you feel better when you’re around her.” -KB's Cousin

    “She’s an awesome person. She’s so kind… You can tell she’s a very kind-hearted person,” -a neighbor

    “She was just a real sweet girl, really friendly.” - LR, owner of Paradise Spirits

    “She seemed like a fairly stable person.” - LR, owner of Paradise Spirits

    An employee at Starbucks said Kelsey would pull in to the drive-thru about once a week to get a chai latte.

    Family info from MSM:

    KB's parents are retired hay farmers and lived north of Warden until a few years ago when they moved to Sandpoint, Idaho

    KB's brother and brother-in-law live in Tacoma, WA

    KB's Uncle lives in Moses Lake, WA

    KB and her mom talked often; they were attached at the hips since she was little and they were best friends

    KB's mom knew her schedule and when to call her/when not to call because she was teaching classes; It was weird when she had not heard from Kelsey

    “She and her brother spoke multiple times a week, as well as her mom.” -KB's BIL

    "They're a very close-knit family" -KB's Cousin

    What we know about Patrick Frazee:
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    32 Years Old
    6'3 and 205 lbs

    Education:
    Graduated from Woodland Park High School
    PF Jail Record lists "some college"

    Employment:
    Farrier
    Cattle Rancher
    Breeds cow herding dogs
    Rodeo competitor

    PF has provided his farrier services to take care of a herd of donkeys for Cripple Creek’s Two Mile High Club for the last 6 to 7 years.

    Address and location history:
    PF was born in Colorado Springs and raised in Teller County
    Currently lives with his mother at 1713 Wildhorn Rd Forissant, CO
    --property searched by LE and owned by his mother
    --35-acre ranch has a one-and-a-half story home and a 1,300 sq ft barn

    Family info from MSM:
    PF's parents are divorced
    PF's mother is a registered nurse
    In addition to the property searched, PF's mother owns 2 other properties in the area
    PF is the youngest of his siblings-- he has 2 brothers and a sister
    PF's brother SF works for the Colorado Springs Police Department
    A cousin has worked for the Garfield County Sheriff’s Office
    An uncle FF is a retired Kiowa County sheriff

    Info from people who know PF:
    “He worked on my horses for a real short time till he punched one in the gut with a rasp and that was about the last time I let him work on my horses,” -MG

    'It's a characteristic that was ongoing for years. Anytime he was at a rope and his horse didn't act right, he'd rip on his face, kick him. In the community, we were all at ropings and stuff, but if the horse doesn't do exactly what it's supposed to do you don't just beat them.' -MG

    'One time we were at a rodeo in Cripple Creek and he got mad because his horse didn't do good and somebody didn't heel just right to help him get in the money and he got so mad he left out of Cripple Creek Rodeo, flipped his horse trailer with his horse in it and almost killed that horse.

    'He got mad, tries to get his vehicle out of there and there's too many cars tightly packed in. Lots of people were there. -MG

    'He was in a rage of being mad and angry, because the heeler didn't heel and they lost out the money. It was kind of a sad deal, especially trying to get the horse out that was traumatic for everybody.' -MG

    A former girlfriend of PF declined to speak to the press but her partner commented saying that he knew Frazee to be aggressive with horses and dogs but that he did not beat his girlfriends.

    “He cheated on her while she was in the hospital, take that for what it’s worth,” the man said of his current partner’s former relationship with Frazee

    'Patrick is a horseshoer, I heard once he was thumping on the horse "saying this is how you've got to do it," that horse reared up and kicked him right in the forehead, he got a bunch of stitches and his [then] girlfriend hauled him to the hospital to get stitches.' -High School Classmate of PF

    'Oh yeah, he's a recluse for sure. I haven't seen him in 10 years or so.' -High School Classmate of PF

    A neighbor heard 'mixed things' about Frazee's alleged rough behavior with animals.

    He was quiet and shy. He had his own friends circle and stayed close to his friends,' he said.

    'He did come across, "I'm a big tough cowboy." But that's that cowboy way, got be strong.

    'That's how he was raised, he raised horses. I think if you're raised country that's normal, if you're raised city it's going to seem harsh. It's not wrong in his eyes. Sometimes there's neglect and over abuse yes, he'd tread the fine line on it I'd say. You've got make a horse submit to what you want to do. You've got to be kind of firm. You shouldn't hit them.' --Former Neighbor HF

    Two friends of Patrick defended him and rejected any suggestion he was cruel towards animals:
    'He's an old fashioned cowboy. He's just old school, he does things the old way. He shoes horses modern, but he trains horses the way people used to do it, I wouldn't say that he's cruel or not. He's a stand up real good guy. I've just known him for years and he's a great person.'

    The friend said he had not met Frazee's fiancée but added: 'I know the day I saw him he was a great dad to the daughter and he's a good guy. He was fine. --Man who saw PF shoe horses in Sept.

    'I know him, when we had horses he used to trim our horses hooves. He was a very nice young man, I knew him all growing up, we used to go to the Gymkhana and the rodeos when he was younger. I've known him since 2003 and I never saw him do anything inappropriate or out of order.' -DR, runs the propane store

    "I've always considered him to be a gentle soul. Soft spoken and just really down to Earth and practical." “couldn’t imagine him doing anything that would harm anyone.” -Friend, SO

    PF was “professional, a nice guy and dependable,” according to CC, President of the Two Mile High Club

    PF occasionally brought Baby K with him to work, and CC’s wife would care for her while he worked. PF has been the “main parental provider” over the last year or so and “a good father.” - CC, President of the Two Mile High Club

    “He took real good care of her (Baby K). I mean, he had a little jumpsuit for her and put extra socks on her,” - CC, President of the Two Mile High Club

    LS said he went through 4H with Frazee when they were children, and he leases a bull from Frazee for his cows. Frazee kept to himself, LS said, but could hold a conversation when engaged. – CNN

    PF never spoke poorly of Berreth, said GB, owner of Outpost Feed and Ranch Supply in Florissant where Frazee was a customer. His daughter was always with him and she was always well behaved and appeared to be cared for, GB said. --CNN

    Relationship info reported by others:
    KB and PF met online according to her cousin
    PF helped KB move from WA to CO only months after they met
    KB told her cousin she was happy when she moved to be near PF
    KB often talked about her boyfriend (PF) at her Springs Aviation job in 2016
    Baby K was born Oct 2017
    They were engaged but did not have a wedding date set
    They have never lived together

    "The relationship has been good, um, they're loving, um it hasn't been ideal, you know given given the economy and things, you know, they had plans that haven't worked out as they would have liked but they've dealt with that and they've made things work regardless." --KB's mom

    "I mean they had plans, you know, they were planning to find a place for them to live and so forth and the economy with prices dropping out...Kelsey's fiance has some cattle and stuff and prices were poor and so the money just wasn't available as soon as they had hoped, but they make it work."-- KB's mom

    There were no records of any domestic issues between the couple --Woodland Police Chief Miles De Young

    “Like most relationships it has ups and downs but for the most part it's a good relationship,” -Frazee’s lawyer

    KB's parents were skeptical of Frazee from the start, describing him as an "odd duck" --close friend of the family from church

    Kelsey’s Neighbor AG had always assumed Frazee lived there with Kelsey and the baby as she would see him come and go in his red work truck.

    Neighbor AG never heard any arguing

    “Questions linger about the exact status of the couple’s relationship, with relatives saying Berreth had called off the engagement weeks before she went missing. Others have stated the couple split the day of the killing.” – Unnamed Sources from People Magazine

    “Two friends said Frazee told them that the relationship with Berreth ended months ago -- claims that contradict statements from Berreth's aunt, who wrote on Facebook that Berreth broke up with Frazee the same day she went missing.” –CNN Quote

    PF told a friend named TF, whose granddaughter played with Baby K, his relationship with KB ended on New Year's Day 2018, and the only contact they had was related to their daughter.
    --CNN article

    Misc Info
    The day KB disappeared (Nov 22) she made cinnamon rolls for breakfast and the remainder were found cold on the stovetop -- KB's brother/GMA video.
    KB owned two vehicles-- a red truck and a car used for commuting to work
    Both KB's vehicle were left at her home
    PF also owns a red truck
    Neighbor AG gave KB a baby gate the week before Thanksgiving

    Sources:
    Search expands for Colorado mom, 29, last seen on Thanksgiving
    Kelsey Berreth's cousin speaks out for the first time since fiance's arrest | Daily Mail Online
    Pasco relatives pray for miracle as search continues for missing Colorado mother
    Fiance accused of killing Colorado woman missing for month
    Fiance of missing mom Kelsey Berreth ‘punched a horse in the gut,’ cheated on his ex while she was in the hospital, sources claim: Report
    Mother of missing Colorado mom speaks out on daughter's disappearance
    Mother of Kelsey Berreth asked about relationship between and her daughter and her fiancé
    Kelsey Berreth: Police Search Fiancé’s Ranch In Hunt For Missing Colorado Mom
    Colorado mom missing since Thanksgiving
    Fiance of missing Kelsey Berreth voluntarily releases cell phone, DNA sample to law enforcement
    Fiancee of missing Colorado mom Kelsey Berreth is arrested and charged with murder | Daily Mail Online
    Patrick Frazee: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com
    Kelsey Berreth's Fiance Is a 'Gentle Soul' Who Would Never Hurt Anyone, Friend Says
    Neighbor of missing mom Kelsey Berreth says she saw red pickup truck, possibly fiance Patrick Frazee’s, at her home the day she went missing
    Missing Woodland Park woman, Kelsey Berreth, presumed dead; fiance arrested in her murder
    Cops process evidence found in Kelsey Berreth's murder investigation now in Idaho | Daily Mail Online
    Members of Sandpoint church continue prayers for Kelsey Berreth
    Fiance accused of killing Colorado woman missing for month
    Colleague: Patrick Frazee is professional, a good father
    Fiancé of Missing Colo. Mom Charged with Murder as Authorities Allege He May Have Sought Help
    Murder charges filed against man in case of missing Colorado mom - CNN
    More charges, 6th Amendment debate: Patrick Frazee's court appearance recap
    Prosecutors file charges against Patrick Frazee in connection with disappearance of Kelsey Berreth
    Kelsey Berreth’s fiancé Patrick Frazee formally charged with murder
    Patrick Frazee may have killed Kelsey Berreth during attempted robbery; multiple solicitation charges could mean additional people were involved in alleged murder [VIDEO]
    Patrick Frazee charged in death of Kelsey Berreth
    https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/Teller/caseofinterest/2018CR330/001/Redacted C&I 18CR330.pdf
     
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    Welcome Detective Cup.:):):)
    You certainly have provided a great deal of info about custody points.
    I wonder if these are similar in Colarado.
     
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    Massguy... looks like it’s just you and me tonight... again !
     
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    From what was posted on WS during Chris Watts case, CO custody is different than CA. If a parent is awarded full custody of the child,
    that parent can move whever they wish without having the consent of the other parent.
     
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    KB's brother said that she made cinnamon rolls for Thanksgiving breakfast and the remaining ones where on the counter.

    In a search of her home, 2 were found that had been left out on the counter/stovetop.

    If she used Pillsbury, there are 8 rolls to a can. I can't see KB and Kaylee
    eating more than two for breakfast. KB would know that she would be eating later and would save room for the big Thanksgiving dinner meal..

    That leaves 4 more rolls that would have been eaten. Who ate those 4 rolls and when?

    Granted, she could have just peeled off a few to bake and put the rest in the fridge. Or, she might have gotten cinnamon rolls in a plastic container from Safeway.
     
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    Searching her home and finding these rolls out and some missing- I still don’t understand how that proves she made them for breakfast. She still could have made them after trip to grocery store. Or started before and finished after.

    If they are homemade, they take time. Need to rise and be punched down and rise again, then rolled out, filled with sugar, cinnamon etc and let rise again. I make these once a year and it takes a few hours.

    Possible she told her mom when they spoke that morning that they had them for breakfast? I missed any discussion about that so apologies. Not knowing what time of day she was killed puts the baking in juxtaposition to that. Imo
     
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    I just can't see how she'd go to all that work for breakfast when the big Thanksgiving meal is the part that takes so much work. She could have prepared them the day before, I guess.

    Maybe she wasn't going to go anywhere for Thanksgiving or have a big meal. A vital clue is what what the recipe she got from her mother
    that made her go to Safeway on Thanksgiving?
     
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    My initial thought of the way KB's mom described KB's plans
    for Thanksgiving day seemed a little "unsure" of what she and
    the baby were doing. Was that because LE told mom to keep
    it vague to protect the investigation? could be.
    As far as we know there were NO definite plans for the holiday.
    Sounded to me like KB was waiting to see what PF wanted
    to do and where he wanted to spend the day.

    Maybe PF alluded to wanting to spend the day w/ KB and baby
    and he was vague (maybe go get Xmas tree) intentionally,
    because he was already planning her murder for that day.
     
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    Or if they were canned rolls, they also come 5 to a can.
     
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    Maybe she did bake them from scratch. There are 2 cinnamon roll recipe pins on her Pinterest.

    KB's Pinterest is quite heartbreaking, especially ideas for Kaylee's room, home decor and religious affirmations (some definitely sound like she was struggling w/ PF).
     
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    RBBM
    That's interesting. Homemade ones are not difficult to make, but ARE time consuming. And well worth it. You're right about wondering what recipe she asked her mom for, though if she had recipes for buns already, perhaps it was something else. Often on holidays, I like to make recipes that have been handed down from my parents/ grandparents. My daughter too, calls me to ask for details for recipes from time to time.

    Maybe Kelsey was going somewhere for Thanksgiving dinner and wanted to bring something along. I know we've talked about this before on WS, but it does continue to baffle me.
     
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    Although there are many things unanswered, two things were answered IMO in the last couple of days. There was debate over when the police said Kelsey was killed (some say the police say she was killed on the 22 nd, some say the police say she was "probably" killed on the 22 nd. From the official paperwork presented at the December 29 th hearing/arraignment, Kelsey was killed "on or about November 22 nd." Since she was seen in Safeway after 12 noon, I do not understand the confusion here, but there must be some legal reason why they could not say she was killed after noon of 22 nd, which is clearer than "on or about". That would indicate she might have been killed November 21 st. To me, "about" means "almost", although, in looking in the dictionary, about also means "around".

    The other thing that might have been cleared up is, did PF have a herd of cows. Since thread #21, post #13 indicates his mom had a cattle ranch 24 km away, that would indicate he or his mom owned cattle. And since Kelsey's mom also stated that PF had cattle, it should be somewhat clearer that PF indeed does have a fair amount of cattle.
     
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    NoeticSoul Learning is a gift, even if pain is your teacher.

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    Regarding the open mines out here (I couldn't reply to the previous thread after it was closed) I'm thinking that he may have went away from his area & Cripple Creek to Divide Colorado, which sits on the north slope of Pikes Peak on U.S. Highway 24. When you take a ride through Divide on this highway you can literally SEE many old open mines from the road, cut deeply into 'the lay of the land', just sitting there with old wooden boards supposedly closing the openings. It would be very easy to walk or drive up to one and remove the boards.
     
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