CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #30 *ARREST*

[Marli61]

Lies have short legs (my mother always told us kids). Could it be that they are stringing her along for now, all the while building their case against her? She gives them tidbits of truth they need to help in prosecuting PF, while at the same time catching her in her lies? I ask, "Is she telling 'the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth'?" I doubt it.

Yes. This scenario reminds me of "Columbo" when he would leave the people he was questioning & then turn around & say "just one more thing".

 

[LAHOLLA]

Just had to remind myself that it’s only been three weeks since PF was arrested. It seems like a lifetime and the wait for more arrests is so frustrating

 

[heli]

Correct and for all we know like Trudie said she could be on a cruise somewhere. This is all just speculation.

Witness protection?

 

[KSinMT]

In a court of law I wonder how that would work out when her statements were made while she is in a hospital for say mental anquish or on the verge of a nervous breakdown?
I would think those statements could be argued because of her status at the time.

It would definitely depend on her diagnosis and her mental status.

 

[The Farm]

They'd go back and look at her status on 11/22-26. Functional.

Your not understanding my post, what I mean is any information that they would garner out of her now at the present moment after those dates. Is she were in a hospital for mental anguish. Those statement to me would be un-functional and I do not think would hold up to be used in court if it got that far because we have no idea of the depth of her involvement..

 

[Dave F.]

hi, nice post. please follow up on this,
" If they fell neatly into place, I'm sure the prosecutors would have already moved forward. Going to trial is kind of the object of their work."
this is true, the prosecuters do move towards trial. but, i thought it was the defense actions in this case that has delayed the case. wasn't it due to the defense that the next court action was delayed from late january until mid feb?

The reason was not released to the public. The judges changed, in scheduled rotation. That alone would be reason for rescheduling. Every motion that has been filed so far has been ruled on. In the interim, it would be normal for both sides to file motions, but the only one who would know what they are thinking is them.

 

[jaspermac]

Correct and for all we know like Trudie said she could be on a cruise somewhere. This is all just speculation.

Exactly. Thats what we are all here for is speculation (within bounds)

 

[BRRI]

Yes, if involved, those were the two people who knew.

But the two people who allegedly knew were trying to cover up KB's murder with "she left me with the baby and ran off" and the phone ping in Idaho.

There was no public news report or Facebook post prior to that date that stated that KB was "missing". None. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

Now, if KK admitted to BFF that she had disposed of KB's phone, the Rs could have become aware of that on 11/26. And if that is what happened, they just exposed KK and tainted the case. That's a lot of ifs, and you can believe what you want, but I am going to go with they got the dates mixed up. MOO, JMO, etc.

I just think the R’s are smart, educated legal people. I think this whole PR stunt is well planned to tackle multiple issues they were/are facing. I think they know exactly what they are saying. If they got the date “wrong”, I’m betting it wasn’t really “wrong” but said strategically, for one reason or another. I’m very hesitant to believe that this is all just an innocent discussion with the media without more sinister motives behind it. JMO of course.

 

[susiQ]

Yes. This scenario reminds me of "Columbo" when he would leave the people he was questioning & then turn around & say "just one more thing".

Yes! I'm hoping this is what's happening but it's anyone's guess at this point.

 

[Hexe7]

Lol. True. I don't think PF is smart enough to think of marrying his accomplice and probably too arrogant to do it as well-- I think he thought he was home free when KB wasn't reported missing for 10 days. But just for kicks, I looked it up and my research leads me to believe there is no way we would know if they secretly got married. Marriage records are confidential in CO according to this gov website:

"Vital records, including birth, death, adoption, marriage and divorce, are confidential per Colorado state statute (C.R.S. 25-2-117). As a result, Colorado vital records are not public records and therefore not searchable online. Vital records can only be released to those who are eligible. See eligibility and identification criteria. "
Searching Vital Records | Department of Public Health and Environment

So, speaking only hypothetically, if that happened, we could be waiting until court time when it is revealed they are married so she can't testify against him. Hopefully that didn't happen though. And hopefully the DA has an airtight case against PF with or without KK's testimony. MOO.

If you go to the clerk and recorders office for the county you can search for marriage certs...

 

[jaspermac]

Yes, if involved, those were the two people who knew.

But the two people who allegedly knew were trying to cover up KB's murder with "she left me with the baby and ran off" and the phone ping in Idaho.

There was no public news report or Facebook post prior to that date that stated that KB was "missing". None. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

Now, if KK admitted to BFF that she had disposed of KB's phone, the Rs could have become aware of that on 11/26. And if that is what happened, they just exposed KK and tainted the case. That's a lot of ifs, and you can believe what you want, but I am going to go with they got the dates mixed up. MOO, JMO, etc.

Why would it taint the case if the R's have released information about when they knew KK disposed of or had the phone? (they haven't given a date for that yet- unless we haven't seen that) I am sure the answer is staring me in the face but I can't see it.

 

[Trudie]

I had not thought about this but you could be right. Her being in a facility of some sort would explain a lot of things that confuse me, like why she has not been arrested.

If I had any involvement in a cap’ murder case, one interview with LE would have me totally deranged.
I would contemplate things, hyperventilate, be ill, sob, etc.
I would need hospitalization. No joke.

 

[Charlot123]

I think she should be in jail.

I also think he’s right where he should be.

I don’t feel any sympathy towards him because she’s not been arrested.

Neither do I. I don't defend him at all, it was his plan! But the irony of the situation - the balance, the scales implying justice - is in people's heads, too. According to this balance, PF and KK are both in this case up to their ears, and yet he is in a county jail, and she, not even charged.

This is what starts mentally adjusting the scales in people's heads. The LE might have their reasons to protect KK, they need a case. But people are taking the weights off PF's scales and putting it on KK's. It is not cognitive dissonance, it is innate feeling of justice. (We recently saw it in another case).

How do I personally feel?

The sooner we lock this PF and throw away the key, the better. If anyone else is guilty, of murder, do the same.

About KK, there should be at least a strong moral judgment if LE needs her. I hope there will be no threats, no harassment of her family. What is needed is the public judgment of her character and personality. (In the CW case, ironically, it was provided by the LE in the form of Discovery Documents).

 

[LAHOLLA]

If I had any involvement in a cap’ murder case, one interview with LE would have me totally deranged.
I would contemplate things, hyperventilate, be ill, sob, etc.
I would need hospitalization. No joke.

I think the average person would feel this way upon being solicited. MOO

 

[Kapua]

Why would it taint the case if the R's have released information about when they knew KK disposed of or had the phone? (they haven't given a date for that yet- unless we haven't seen that) I am sure the answer is staring me in the face but I can't see it.

Because all we "officially" know at this point is that LE served some search warrants in ID, they are looking for KB's phone there, and investigating "a woman" who may be involved, whom they have not publicly identified. KK at this point has not been identified as a suspect or POI. We've done a lot of speculating here, but LE is still investigating. LE has been playing their cards very close to their chests to protect the investigation thus far. And then these two individuals show up and start shooting off their mouths. MOO

 

[LAHOLLA]

Neither do I. I don't defend him at all, it was his plan! But the irony of the situation - the balance, the scales implying justice - is in people's heads, too. According to this balance, PF and KK are both in this case up to their ears, and yet he is in a county jail, and she, not even charged.

This is what starts mentally adjusting the scales in people's heads. The LE might have their reasons to protect KK, they need a case. But people are taking the weights off PF's scales and putting it on KK's. It is not cognitive dissonance, it is innate feeling of justice. (We recently saw it in another case).

How do I personally feel?

The sooner we lock this PF and throw away the key, the better. If anyone else is guilty, of murder, do the same.

About KK, there should be at least a strong moral judgment if LE needs her. I hope there will be no threats, no harassment of her family. What is needed is the public judgment of her character and personality. (In the CW case, ironically, it was provided by the LE in the form of Discovery Documents).

Yes, definitely agree.

 

[Dave F.]

LOL! This made my day. You are a good writer. Do you have a link where I can read the article you wrote?

When I went to the University of Colorado, they had an optional major in English Literature. That was mine for the time that I attended. I have been paid to write techinical bulletins and government proposals (150 pages of pure BS, more or less) but other than that, I never claimed to be a writer.
You can Google for "Miranda Eve", take the first choice that appears, click your browser for "Search in Page" and enter "Dave F". Bingo.

 

[Esma]

Here is my question. Why the reference to “she’s also a pilot”? I find that curious, although I don’t know exactly why.

Patty’s statement about seeing a Facebook posting about ‘a missing Colorado mom that sounded familiar’- how hokey is that? Patty has built an out to say, oh I must have mistaken it for SW. Something I don’t trust about these people.

 

[Jethro4WS]

The pics I've seen of PF's horse(s) look like grade horses (mutts)
certainly not Arabs.

That is why I said it was not likely. It doesn't hurt to check things if horse breeding/ownership is an angle someone is looking into.

 

[LAHOLLA]

Neither do I. I don't defend him at all, it was his plan! But the irony of the situation - the balance, the scales implying justice - is in people's heads, too. According to this balance, PF and KK are both in this case up to their ears, and yet he is in a county jail, and she, not even charged.

This is what starts mentally adjusting the scales in people's heads. The LE might have their reasons to protect KK, they need a case. But people are taking the weights off PF's scales and putting it on KK's. It is not cognitive dissonance, it is innate feeling of justice. (We recently saw it in another case).

How do I personally feel?

The sooner we lock this PF and throw away the key, the better. If anyone else is guilty, of murder, do the same.

About KK, there should be at least a strong moral judgment if LE needs her. I hope there will be no threats, no harassment of her family. What is needed is the public judgment of her character and personality. (In the CW case, ironically, it was provided by the LE in the form of Discovery Documents).

The thought that KK might be free based on a loophole or a technicality or even in exchange for her testimony makes me crazy.