CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #38 *ARREST*

[lindaromas]

There aren't any close to me, but I'm curious enough to try one on my next road trip.

Off topic... just remember anyone can fix breakfast and they all taste about the same no matter where you go. But, Cracker Barrel’s lunch and dinner is outstanding! Even their salads are amazing!

 

[lindaromas]

Hmmm... I think it is the judge in the criminal case who might be very displeased.

In the new long motion from the public defender, he is truthful in pointing up how it has been the prosecution requesting to keep even the arrest warrant from the PD and the defendant for so long - then DA May practically asked the media to make FOIA requests at the presser after KK's hearing. The judge has declined to release any documents until after PF's 2/19 hearing when the judge will deal with those motions and may or may not release them.

And now this release from the B's civil attorney smacks of an end run around the orderly conduct of his court. IMO, it is a statement of what CB's testimony will be in the upcoming criminal trial. IDK if the DA's office approved this release or not, they would not admit it if they did, but it looks like lawyer games. Judges do not like to be circumvented and the judge might be really angry, the judge who will determine on Tuesday whether or not to bind PF over on any of the 5 charges and determine whether he gets bail.

I realize this amended document is from the civil case, but they are perceived as on "the same side" as the prosecutor's office.

Where are our VA's? Can they enlighten us to this strategy? What was the point of this timing? Will the judge be angry?

Unless this judge is hearing the civil case I’m assuming he would ignore anything that has to do with the civil side. His focus is on the criminal case.

 

[k-mac]

as great as it is to receive any little tid bits we can, this release add on only relates to the berreths perspective and eye opening as it is to see what Patrick was spinning them they were imo in the dark about ALOT of things in the lead up.

I am more sure than ever Kelsey had a very 'its complicated' relationship with Patrick and kept ALOT of it under wraps. likely from embarrassment, her baby daddy was a jerk, she had moved to his environment to be with him and it appears he wasn't at all what she signed up for.

we still have no idea if she was dominant and decisive or accommodating and naive, sticking around hoping things would get better, had written him off and was setting the agenda, knew about the close relationship he had with KKL so many unknowns!

ugh PFs words to kelseys mum are contradiction after contradiction.
he was sick of it all...but then tells her he loved Kelsey.
everything he says the next breath cancels out the last.

which I have at least taken away from this he THINKS he is a player.
players have affairs.

the berreths didn't know about the other woman imo and the other woman has much much more to do with WHY this all went down (my speculation only)

women being women I wonder did KB know about KKL??
moo

 

[justaparent]

Self deleted. Was a bit out of context.

 

[justaparent]

27. On Friday, February 8, 2018, Krystal Lee Jean Kenney (hereinafter referred to as “Kenney”) testified under oath in the District Court of Teller County, Colorado, that Frazee
admitted to Kenney that he had murdered Kelsey on or about November 22, 2018.

Above is from the complaint filed. Is this a problem since KK did not actually testify that PF told her he murdered KB? Like much of her other testimony, that portion left many questions.

 

[justaparent]

This amended complaint appears to me to be nothing more than an incendiary reset of the initial complaint, without addressing the issues raised by PF's attorney in the initial answer. I have no idea what the B's are hoping to accomplish with it, but they aren't helping the criminal prosecution at all. IMO

The complaint reboot makes me uneasy about his prosecution. It seems like this could have waited until after the DA released more information. The trial might take forever so I would understand if they served it beforehand if that lagged on, but why now?

I’m certainly not an attorney — perhaps there is solid reasoning behind the timing.

 

[CarolinePolly]

I apologize if this was already discussed I may have missed it.
Snipped by me from amended complaint (Attached screenshot and file)

The dates ( see screenshot )
Why does it state this in #5? Because PF was in already in custody on that second date stated “November 22 and December 23”
bbm
Does anybody have thoughts and/or a answer on this?
TIA

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Amended+complaint+vs+Patrick+Frazee.pdf

 

[BUF]

Wow...just caught up from the media thread...missed this all last night!

CO - CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Media, Maps and Timelines *NO DISCUSSION*

 

[amm]

Glad you are okay! Men often want full custody so they can avoid paying child support. It has nothing to do with love for the child, that's for sure.

JMO

I think it is also about control. It is true that they don't want to pay child support but it is also about controlling the child(ren) and the other parent by having the child(ren). The child is viewed as a possession and they don't want the other parent to have anything. I agree that it definitely is not about love and wanting the best environment for the child. While most cases I hear about involve a father trying to take the children for these reasons, this also could apply to a mother - just want to make it clear that I am not trying to cast all non-custodial fathers in a bad light.

 

[Noharg]

Well I’m not surprised at all that this was about custody. A lot of us guessed as much.

What does surprise me is how much he seems to have been in contact with CB to throw her off. I mean it makes sense given that something or someone had to be somewhat placating the Berreths that week. But I guess just because PF has been radio silent in the public realm, just having words at all attributed to him is surprising.

Not any less evil than I originally imagined.

I’m interested in the timing of the B’s WD suit. Is this a “normal” time in a case for family to file one? I’m not being critical, just curious. Would their timing adversely affect the prosecutor’s case? JMO and just wondering. TIA

ETA last two sentences

 

[?mysterian?]

I apologize if this was already discussed I may have missed it.
Snipped by me from amended complaint (Attached screenshot and file)

The dates ( see screenshot )
Why does it state this in #5? Because PF was in already in custody on that second date stated “November 22 and December 23”
bbm
Does anybody have thoughts and/or a answer on this?
TIA

http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Amended+complaint+vs+Patrick+Frazee.pdf

From the amended complaint at the link you posted:
(snipped by me)

"5. This matter arises as a result of the extreme and outrageous conduct of Frazee occurring approximately on and/or between the dates of November 22, 2018, and December 23, 2018, in or about Woodland Park, Teller County, state of Colorado. "

I'm not a lawyer, but I read that statement to include his conduct that occurred between those two dates, regardless of his custody status. They are claiming that anything he did during that time frame relates to the lawsuit, is how I interpret that statement. It's very likely that I'm wrong, though.

 

[Elley Mae]

Possible motive for missing Colorado mom's murder surfaces for first time in lawsuit

New article I'm just now reading. Wrongful death civil suit gives clues to murder.

Thanks gliving!

From link.

Frazee allegedly told Cheryl that he and Kelsey had broken up on Thanksgiving Day and agreed to split custody of their daughter. That same day, Kelsey left Kaylee with Frazee while she “figured out what she was going to do”," according to the phone call documented in the amended complaint.
....

That tells me she was killed TG day.

From link.

According to the documents, Frazee told Cheryl Berreth that he met Kelsey on Thanksgiving at a Cracker Barrel restaurant in Colorado Springs.

.....

That says to me she will be found between woodland park/Colorado springs.

Now I understand why pf’s mom is still fighting for custody, that was the goal.

 

[NoeticSoul]

Thanks gliving!

From link.

Frazee allegedly told Cheryl that he and Kelsey had broken up on Thanksgiving Day and agreed to split custody of their daughter. That same day, Kelsey left Kaylee with Frazee while she “figured out what she was going to do”," according to the phone call documented in the amended complaint.
....

That tells me she was killed TG day.

From link.

According to the documents, Frazee told Cheryl Berreth that he met Kelsey on Thanksgiving at a Cracker Barrel restaurant in Colorado Springs.

.....

That says to me she will be found between woodland park/Colorado springs.

Now I understand why pf’s mom is still fighting for custody, that was the goal.

eta Good morning!

But there has never been any searches here locally for her body. None that have been publicized in MSM anyhow. I find that extremely strange and it makes me believe that there is nothing left to be found. I think the Berreths know this s well. And I think that is what KK means by "never seen that kind of evil in anyone" Just mho

 

[BUF]

Thanks gliving!

From link.

Frazee allegedly told Cheryl that he and Kelsey had broken up on Thanksgiving Day and agreed to split custody of their daughter. That same day, Kelsey left Kaylee with Frazee while she “figured out what she was going to do”," according to the phone call documented in the amended complaint.
....

That tells me she was killed TG day.

From link.

According to the documents, Frazee told Cheryl Berreth that he met Kelsey on Thanksgiving at a Cracker Barrel restaurant in Colorado Springs.

.....

That says to me she will be found between woodland park/Colorado springs.

Now I understand why pf’s mom is still fighting for custody, that was the goal.

Why does that tell you she will be found between Woodland Park and Colorado Springs?

 

[NoeticSoul]

I did not notice if the Berreths amended the filing to file on behalf of Baby K and not themselves? TIA if anyone else noticed that change?

 

[Elley Mae]

Why does that tell you she will be found between Woodland Park and Colorado Springs?

Just him stating that is where they went that day, gives a reason why he was out that way if he or his truck were seen. Jmo

 

[BUF]

Just him stating that is where they went that day, gives a reason why he was out that way if he or his truck were seen. Jmo

Ok thanks. That makes sense.

 

[?mysterian?]

I did not notice if the Berreths amended the filing to file on behalf of Baby K and not themselves? TIA if anyone else noticed that change?

Good morning! From the amended document at link: http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Amended+complaint+vs+Patrick+Frazee.pdf
it looks like KB's parents are the plaintiffs.
(snipped by me):

"PARTIES, JURISDICTION AND VENUE

1. At all times pertinent hereto, the Plaintiff Cheryl-Lee Ellen Berreth was a natural person and citizen of the state of Idaho and resides in Bonner County.

2. At all times pertinent hereto, the Plaintiff Darrell Lynn Berreth was a natural person and citizen of the state of Idaho and resides in Bonner County.

3. At all times pertinent hereto, Plaintiffs Cheryl-Lee Ellen Berreth and Darrell LynnBerreth were husband and wife and the natural parents of Kelsey Berreth (hereinafter referred to as “Kelsey”)."

(snipped by me)

 

[jewelsmac]

Strange to speak to a person's mother like they don't even know their own daughter.

narcissism, party of one, your table is ready

 

[jewelsmac]

You know he had his own guns so there's no reason for him to have hers. It couldn't have been Kelsey being worried about having a weapon with baby K in the house because there would guns at the ranchette, too.

Bingo