Deceased/Not Found CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #51 *ARREST*

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  1. AnnaGrace

    AnnaGrace Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to share something that happened when I was a very small child. I've thought several times of sharing on this thread and since we're talking about the body, I'm writing this but it's something I always tried not to think about. There was a fire at a neighbor lady's house and all the men in the community ran to try to get the lady out but the flames had already taken over and they couldn't get to her. My dad was there for several hours until the fire was out. It was during the night and I heard him come home. I heard him tell mom that she was shrunk down to the size of a baby doll. This stuck in my mind and I think this could be the case with Kelsey.
     
  2. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Professional Pediatric Nurse

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    Why would he give her the gun back knowing he was gonna kill her?
    "Here's your gun back, I'm gonna kill you tomorrow anyway"...
    Yep he thinks he is above reproach!
    I wish she'd have SHOT HIM!
    MOO
     
  3. NanZDrew

    NanZDrew Well-Known Member

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    I believe he gave it back because he wanted it to appear that she had used her own gun to committ suicide. For some reason, the plan changed. JMO
     
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  4. LietKynes

    LietKynes Well-Known Member

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    Something... or someone ??

    The list of players who knew he was going to do this is, almost as large as those around him who knew afterwards.
    Can't believe those who knew PF wanted her gone, or was planning the deed, said nothing.
    And mommy dearest clamping her lips -- points to some level of knowledge or involvement. Imo.
     
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  5. Hatch

    Hatch Well-Known Member

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    Unless PF fesses up with horrid details like CW did, it is hard for us believe a woman with a history of lying, I do have faith LE,CBI, FBI knew enough about a burning body scenario that KK had to describe certain things she smelled and saw that they were convinced they attempted to burn KB body. If more evidence and testimonies come forward to prove that did not happen, then Hannah bar the door ! We will be sleuthing this case longer than two years . I do not know any of the detectives, fire specialists, soil specialists etc. involved in this case personally and assume most of us don't,IMO they didn't jump off the high dive before checking to see if their was water in the pool. I respect your opinion and stay open minded to what might come down the pipe in the future. Geez- most of the WS posters here were not prepared for KK ( how do you prepare for KK?) and what she had to say about the events that took place from November 22-24 2018. Some agree she got off easy, PF is in jail for swinging a baseball so hard to KB's head that it caused teeth to dislodge and fly out of her mouth by the roots, that in itself is unimaginable. I fully expect the DA to have data telling us the force of impact it would take to make that happen plus details that will be hard to read . Until it is known to us that something different happened on Thanksgiving Day 2018 or after, I have to go with the knowledge believed and proven by CBI, LE and the DA as fact and pray they find KB's remains as a double indemnity insurance pay out.
    I agree KK has done some dispicable things and is a very sick excuse for a human and has been proven to be a liar. Liar Liar Pants on Fire !
    IMO she was polygraphed more than once backwards and forwards to get the plea deal.
    I understand any doubts anybody has about PF period.
     
  6. Hatch

    Hatch Well-Known Member

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    I also feel at some point PF would not of had any qualms about harming Baby K to save his own hide.
     
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  7. MemPat

    MemPat The EARTH without ART is just EH.

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    I think the future would have found PF investing in a King-sized tote to hold the Rodeo Queen.

    He wasn't going to let her walk around forever with his secrets. MOO
     
  8. travelbug

    travelbug Injustice anywhere a threat to justice everywhere

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    :D:rolleyes::D
     
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  9. Hatch

    Hatch Well-Known Member

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    There are no facts thus far to prove he has killed in the past.
    Did he have the potential ? H--- Yes ! We do have facts to prove that. I think he would of never stopped. His anger was not be corralled. Obviously KB is not here to tell her story but I think he had most likely abused her physically as well as emotionally. I think he badgered her into putting a gun to head at one point. He is the worse kind of abusers IMO.
     
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    in what world does your partner worry about you and take your gun from you to protect you from yourself, only to later bludgeon you to death with a baseball bat? does PF have multiple personalities?
     
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  11. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Yeah, one is Dumb, the other is Dumber.

    It doesn’t seem to make much sense, does it?

    To be so worried about someone that you take her gun, then wind up killing her yourself?
     
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  12. steeltowngirl

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    Or Unless you are a subhuman.
     
  13. GordianKnot

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    Disclaimer that the following is speculation only:
    That whole story about KB threatening to shoot herself rings false to me, and I'm not sure why. One thing's for sure: PF never worried about KB's wellbeing for one single minute.
    So that isn't what that whole gun confiscation was about.

    If memory serves, KB and PF were reportedly arguing over "finances" (this part is entirely believable) when KB threatened to shoot herself. It would not surprise me if PF was extremely mentally cruel to KB and manipulated her emotions with comments that implied that either he and/or Baby K would be better off without her around. This may have been PF's first strategy with regard to how to get rid of KB.

    Perhaps that fight over money and comments PF made to her during that argument are what provoked her to make such a "threat," and it was more a reflection of her despair r/t his cruelty toward her than any actual desire she had to kill herself. PF seems like the type of person who is constantly playing mind games with others and attempting to manipulate others with his emotional reactions.

    Perhaps PF tried but couldn't manipulate KB into pulling the trigger, so he took the gun away from her at that point once he realized that plan didn't work. I think he took the gun to give the impression of being a caring, concerned fiancé who would never harm her.

    Yet another brilliant attempt to throw suspicion off himself, even as he was soliciting KK to come bash her head in with a bat.

    All of the Above: JMO.
     
  14. acutename

    acutename Well-Known Member

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    IMO

    If he was paying that, it was voluntary right?- no formal legal custody or support determination?
     
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  15. acutename

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    he helped KB move to CO - he used to be worried about her too. no real idea what he would do. "making sense" - not one of his talents IMO.
     
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  16. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Yes. IF (I’m skeptical) he was paying that, it was completely voluntary.

    There has never been information in regards to anything formal (legal).
     
  17. PrairieWind

    PrairieWind Verified Attorney

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    Yes he was apparently voluntarily giving her money. There was no child support order in place.
     
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  18. NanZDrew

    NanZDrew Well-Known Member

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    If my memory serves me correctly, KB had admitted to her mother that the gun incident happened. Like you, I think he played head games and probably said very hurtful things to her, possibly ridiculed her. If you look at her Pinterest page you will see many quotes about relationships that make you think that she was in one that was painful and that she was conflicted as to whether to stay or leave. The quotes will show a date that the original posted uploaded the quote, but not when KB posted the quote, so it doesn't help with timelines; however, I felt like reading some of those that PF was putting her through stuff. He did use the incident to portray himself as a caring hero. Reminds me of another incident of duplicity...when he told KB's mom that he loved her daughter after he had savagely beat her to death and burned her body.

    I feel like when this goes to trial, friends, coworkers, and her church members will probably come forward with more information about what PF put her through. Although she is quiet, people like her are usually very truthful and candid with a very few people that they trust. She would almost surely had to confide in someone.
     
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    Provided that was the truth. Wasn't it his mom that said that? I find that hard to believe especially since he was providing some of the child care. I would believe it more before she went to work for Doss, or like he gave her a check from time to time, but I don't see PF voluntarily doing that. He just doesn't seem like the type. I think Ma F was just trying to make him sound good.
     
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  20. acutename

    acutename Well-Known Member

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    or maybe PF got $700/mo out of the "kitty" and told SF that he gave it to KB.

    the whole 'fear of paying' .. cannot help but contrast that with spouses who are owed heaps of child support and it is just not paid and they get orders and try to enforce them and it is just not paid. contrast that with murder before there is even a legal order in place or any legal filing.
     
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