...and the blood on the wood from the floor was hersYes, thats possible. Wouldn't it be something if the last witness for the Prosecution testifies that the tooth fragment found at the ranch was indeed confirmed to come from KB.
...and the blood on the wood from the floor was hersYes, thats possible. Wouldn't it be something if the last witness for the Prosecution testifies that the tooth fragment found at the ranch was indeed confirmed to come from KB.
How does one defend an imbecile extraordinaire? I rest my case!!Closing arguments could be Friday afternoon "defense says"??? Well, guess their defense won't take long!
To be fair, there hasn’t been testimony that PF actually knew that KB had listed him as the life insurance beneficiary. So we don’t know if he knew or not. And if it turns out he didn’t know, then that cannot have been a motive.
Specifically DNA.Maybe it will be a witness who can testify to forensic results. MOO
To be fair, there hasn’t been testimony that PF actually knew that KB had listed him as the life insurance beneficiary. So we don’t know if he knew or not. And if it turns out he didn’t know, then that cannot have been a motive.
I'm here; doing that familiar sign that all children do, where you pull your fist down trying to get the engineer to sound the horn!
That may very well be, but it’s still just a guess.I would bet my right arm he knew.
Thats all true. However, I was responding to a poster who was treating it as a fact that Pf knew he was beneficiary, and that it was motive.I think we know enough about PF that he would have killed KB without a motive. He said it best: I just want her gone.
Also, a motive isn't necessary to convict him. For the jury, PF either killed KB or he didn't. It's that simple.
MOO
^^^ This. He'd have to pay child support and share the cost of medical insurance. He might have had to get another job to support Baby K. It was easier to kill Kelsey.Or be responsible for increased child support?
Kelsey was already exhausted and with the prospect of the winter commute, maybe she worked the numbers and was going to cut back her hours, at least for the winter? Maybe she was terrified at the prospect of leaving her precious and soon to be mobile baby at the franch where safety for babies was optional? That could be how the talk of moving to Pueblo came to be. JMO
When she heard he killed Kelsey, she could have immediately called the police and that would end her fears. imoAbsolutely to all of this. She had numerous opportunities to go to police, or shoot, to go warn Kelsey herself. It's not like she hadn't been to Kelsey's before. She wasn't afraid of PF but she should have been. She didn't even take it seriously when he made the remark about children disappearing off playgrounds all the time.
Seems her parents would have known about the change to part time work. Or how about her co-workers?It’s hard to know. He was either a great actor, and she had little idea how he truly felt about her, and his future plans. Or, she ignored his behavior or maybe thought it would improve? Still...geez.
I'm almost positive a SS# is needed when listing a beneficiary, unless KB knew it, she would have had to ask PF for it
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Seems her parents would have known about the change to part time work. Or how about her co-workers?
To me this is an important thing to uncover.
Was she planning a move and wanted more time to seek 'other' employment?
How did she have the financial ability to go part-time?
With all due respect, (and I mean that sincerely. I love to see your use name come up!),I'm going with "Golden Child Syndrome", rural Colorado style. Reminiscent of Scott and Jackie Peterson. MOO
To be fair, there hasn’t been testimony that PF actually knew that KB had listed him as the life insurance beneficiary. So we don’t know if he knew or not. And if it turns out he didn’t know, then that cannot have been a motive.
But considering PF was not too worldly or informed of many things, maybe he didn't know the rules of insurance payouts and declaring someone dead.That may very well be, but it’s still just a guess.
Thats all true. However, I was responding to a poster who was treating it as a fact that Pf knew he was beneficiary, and that it was motive.
Whether or not he knew, I doubt the insurance was a motive anyway. There’s no collecting insurance unless the person is declared dead. A missing KB might not be declared dead for years, if ever.
Out of pity....I can hear them now....When she heard he killed Kelsey, she could have immediately called the police and that would end her fears. imo
Her friends will probably stick with her, though.
Agree to an extent about CW pleading. I still can't get past him killing his babies, too- children he helped bring into the world and raised, until he did this sick and vile act, but yes, at least he didn't make her family go through this torture.I GIVE UP.
I give up on reading all the messages. I don’t know how any of you can keep up, let alone participate!
It does give me another reason to be thankful CW pled and didn’t drag SW and family through a trial. I’ve never followed a trial on WS before this one, and now I understand how truly horrible it would have been for the Rzuceks.
Dang it PF. As if you didn’t sicken me enough, you managed to put CW in a better light.
*back to furiously reading*
But considering PF was not too worldly or informed of many things, maybe he didn't know the rules of insurance payouts and declaring someone dead.