CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #10

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  1. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    What's interesting is that in Colorado they have the option of charging him with first degree AND lesser includeds line second degree and voluntary manslaughter.

    (In Colorado second degree is without deliberation but knowingly. Which includes heat of passion cases . Voluntary manslaughter there is more accidental killings. "Reckless".)

    But the DA did not charge any lesser includeds.

    That tells me that indeed, they feel very confident.

    I take comfort in the fact that this DA is handling the case. He is a steely-eyed, no nonsense, determined, decisive and logical person. On multiple occasions news reporters tried to bait him into displaying some sort of emotion over this case that involves the murder of little girls. He refused to take the bait, even as the family stood by. He said he would work the case the same as any other.

    He didn't flinch when Shanann's dad broke down sobbing right behind him in court.

    This is someone who is able to assess a case, IMO, on the facts and the law. Not on emotion or politics.
     


  2. gitana1

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    It looks like it might not have been their first day. Not sure. The defendant said they were supposed to start Friday. Do we know? Or is that just another lie.
     
  3. cottonweaver

    cottonweaver Well-Known Member

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    all I thought Pommy was it could be
    a) making a big show to every neighbour 'victim... awake all nigh..poor me", cause he didn't seem to even want to spend that first night there & never spent another. So he made a big show and if anyone missed the reasons why he isn't sleeping there any more - he tells all the TV channels
    b) He got the heeby-jeebies. He didn't think he would feel so bad and needed all the lights on if he was there on his own where he hours later strangled them all. Not remorse but dread fear.

    If it's b, it is the only part that makes me question my assumptions on him, so far.
    ie. Can you be a manipulative violent man/sociopath whatever and be afraid of the dark & your own crime? Maybe you can. Dunno
     
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    I noticed that he took a couple of deep breaths when the charge was read for murdering SW...I wonder why ? Perhaps because she fought harder or he thought of the baby.... I don't think he took deep breaths when the charges were read about the children, could have missed it.......I think that I would have become hysterical when the felony charges were read for "a child murdered under the age of 12 by a person of trust"....I teared up just hearing that....I believe that the prison has him sedated , his physical appearance has changed so much since his interviews....
     
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  5. BeachSky

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    I know! He had to of planned burying them there. Like Peterson made cement anchors ahead of time. IMO once a narsisst cheater is about to be confronted ,you are pretty much dead to them, because being exposed is the ultimate wound to them. The mask is about to be ripped off. Remember Scott said Laci knew about his affair & she was fine with it.I think that his lie held the truth. That’s why he killed her & Conner.
    Because he knew she would expose him, cast him out, change his life style.
    Just as someone said CWs description of the blue child on the bed & the strangling of the other- was what he did. These people are sick and enjoy an audience. They will go to the grave clamming they are the innocent victim. And I hate that excuse snapped..because why would you not call the police & say I snapped, I killed my wife. Only a selfish evil person would create a false narrative , no remorse , no empathy and hide the bodies to decay whilst letting the family & community console them . Monsters.
    JMO
     
  6. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Apparently, yes. He was a loving dad the whole time and just snapped at the sight of his wife killing his kids. And then he got a good night's sleep and gave well-rested, calm and dry -eyed interviews in which he lied through his teeth.

    Here is what a supposedly distraught, grieving father who just lost his mind and throttled his wife to death after she murdered his precious baby girls, looks like, a couple days after tossing them in vats of oil, while discussing their whereabouts.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mi.../chris-watts-tv-interview-echoed-13111941.amp

    Body Language Analysis №4339: Pre-Confession Interview of Murderer, Chris Watts — Nonverbal and…

    Twitter

    So a man who knows his beautiful daughters are dead and rotting in oil.

    Then there's this other distraught father.

    https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kiro...-she-got-home-husbands-charges-show/817838105
     

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    I was wondering that too. Weren't the tanks holding hot crude oil that would melt the garbage bags so they would be totally adhered to the bodies? It seems like lots of forensic evidence would be lost or contaminated.
     
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    Since it was at a daycare center, I think that they could “start” any day they wanted. I personally think it was just their first day back after being gone with their mom. Daycare centers that have “preschool” may have a bit of curriculum they do in terms of crafts and things they learn together, but most of the time the kids are there is just typical daycare. My daughter was in one for awhile and it was open 11 hours a day. They only did preschool activities for 2-3 hours andah.
     
  9. Tuliptiptoe

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    He knows cameras are on him. He's planting seeds of doubt- he just had to kill SW she was murdering his babies!

    Don't fall for it. SW did not strangle those babies and he's only feeling remorse for himself.

    Moo
     
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    So based on information in prior threads regarding square footage and bedrooms in their home, this is the home that I "think" they actually have. Everything matches up. This is the builders website. Doing a quick google search by the floor plan name will take you to other subdivisions and show you the floor plans.
    I hope this works and I hope it's allowed.
    Wyndham Hill | Frederick Community | Richmond American Homes

    I do hope I did this right. I'm a little sidetracked. My 16 year old is competing in her North American Spartan beast in West Virginia today so I'm bouncing around trying to find her race results.
     
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    My daughter takes mood stabilizers and other meds due to autism and several other diagnoses. I doubt CW is sedated. He doesn't appear to me to be... at least not by any sort of anti-psychotic drug. Other sedation drugs he would probably be fairly out of it. When they were adjusting my daughter's meds, and the dose was too high, she would just sit with a blank expression half the time and her mouth wide open.
     
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    The dogs I saw in the video had "search and rescue" on their vests. Do we know if they just brought in cadaver dogs right under that ***'s nose as he stood smiling in the porch?
     
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    I wonder if he kept the phone in an attempt to delete any text messages, etc. that would have been damaging to him. Or could he have deleted phone messages? When did he surrender it - on Monday or Tuesday - does anyone know? JMOO
     
  14. dixiegirl1035

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    I cannot view the video right now but if I recall correctly he thought it was a search dog, not a cadaver dog. Or at least that's what he said during the interview if I recall correctly
     
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    Has it been confirmed that the oil was hot? If not, one of the forensic specialists that was on HLN said the oil would actually embalm (preserve) the bodies rather than deteriorate them. I hope that's the case and that CW didn't realize that. I think it took LE a while to get into those tanks because they are not very accessible so I also hope that he visited that site recently to prepare it (proving premeditation).
     
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  16. Shekkiec

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    I noticed their schedules according to her FB were insane!
    Last days of April New Orleans
    May 8 - she posted she was thinking about trying to get pregnant
    June 11 pregnancy announcement she said she got pregnant on post May 8 ( which makes CW comments make sense it was first try)
    June 19 ultrasound (imo this seems soon unless health worries bc of her Lupus)
    June 21-26 San Diego with Chris
    June 26 got home left 12 hrs later for NC
    8-8 got home from NC had told brother sex of baby name Rico
    8-10 Gone to Denver
    8-13 .....arrived home
    I can’t find Dates of HMO docs signed to add to this there was mother’s day , Father’s Day , some birthdays .
    IMO she was a rockstar ! I’m looking at her meal prepping and doing her business and a perfectly clean home ! She said she was OCD order came easy for her . IMO it may not for Chris working 40 hours a week , taking more duties with the kids and home . IMO he may have thought this job would allow her to stay at home bc of her lupus and be with kids and now money is still tight and they never see each other and he is super stressed bc he can’t do what she makes look easy. It will be telling when affairs started . He wasn’t wearing ring in pregnancy video . To me he was exhausted and numb . The baby now is his responsibility at home bc she is stellar and will be traveling for work . He mentions the high energy of his daughter , he is unraveling. He knows they have HOA and a trip to Cabo she just won . The affair was an escape that made him feel valued again plus looking better he want used to the attention he “had no game” . I am not sure of the trigger it could be a number of things but I feel he snapped this was not planned . I think it’s inconceivable what he did and inexcusable but everyone noticed a change I believe it wasn’t only the affair . IMO
     
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    Thinking that too could be case
     
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    Will we find out if she was in her travel clothes or night clothes? IMHO, it was set the time frame for her death.

    Also, will the autopsies be released prior to trial?
     
  19. SweetPeas56

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    Arm chair amateur speculation...
    Anomic or Self-righteous?
    ... leaning towards these because...

    *The debt with the HOA, the impending court date... WHY was the debt there? Was the BR in 2015 not sufficient to get them back on their feet? The bank account balances referred to in previous threads (IIR under $1000 in checking, under $10 in savings - but WHEN were those the balances, and are there other accounts?) Overall decreased annual income (also posted in prior threads per financial docs from over $100k to much less later. I don't recall amounts. Just speaking in generalities and speculation). Could the impending HOA debt court date have spurred CW into this?

    *The affair. My personal guess is there were multiple affairs. No evidence for that, but I was married to a cheater. The cheater I was married to very much wanted to keep his family, but he still ran around. Idk his reasons. CW could've wanted his family and loved his wife, but was selfish enough to still cheat for his own ego. Don't we hear about mistresses being killed when they threaten to tell the wife? If someone can kill a mistress to keep his family intact, couldn't a man also kill his wife and kids because of a family breakup caused by his own infidelity? The article says that family breakup is a big reason for family annihilation.

    *Per NU, SW texted she'd need a friend more than ever. If she knew about the affair, it may have been too painful for her to keep it in when she got home. If she confronted CW when she got home, then he could've been faced with a possibility of family breakup

    Just my own thoughts


    Praying for Shanann and the babies.
     
  20. The Saint

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    Thanks Cottonweaver and tjredline.
     
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