CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *Arrest* #18

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  1. ColoGirl

    ColoGirl Well-Known Member

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    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    The difference now is we have a defendant who is telling his story about what happened. He has not been found guilty so since he is the only witness and he says Shanann killed their two children then we have to allow discussion on whether this is true or not. If a member wishes to believe Chris Watts is telling the truth then we must respectfully let that person express their opinion as long as it is within TOS.

    Please alert if you see a post that violates our terms of service. It is not a violation of our TOS if someone expresses that she/he believes Shanann murdered her children. Until we have a guilty verdict or until Chris Watts changes his story we will allow discussion on this topic.

    Thanks,
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    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Hey Everyone,

    A bit of clarification.

    Please, no more discussion on the viability of Shanann's company or whether her company was or wasn't a pyramid scheme. No more digging up documents or complaints or anything to do with the function of the company. The fact is Shanann's company is not what we are discussing.

    If want to discuss if job stress may have contributed to Shanann and Chris' relationship problems please make sure it is in the realm of reality and not the Twilight Zone.

    Thank you,
    Tricia
     
  4. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    I am posting the evidence we know of again as some have asked. If anyone has other evidence to add please copy and add.

    Evidence of triple murder:

    1. Dad claims he saw a blue child on a baby monitor at night.

    2. The coincidence of two people, unrelated by blood, both reacting to something in a short span of time by losing their minds and committing homicide, defies reason.

    3. The coincidence of those same people both committing homicide in the exact same manner -strangulation- is unlikely.

    4. A father passionate enough with love for his children, to kill at the sight of them being harmed, would be desperate beyond reason to save them. But:
    a. Dad failed to call 911 to try to save his children. Even if he thought they were beyond help, a parentslove is so intense they will desperately and irrationally try for help that will never come.
    b. There is no account of him throwing off the mother and working desperately to revive them or resuscitate them. Hell, total strangers have performed CPR on a child's corpse in rigor. (Cooper Harris case). But a passionately loving dad didn't even try in this case?

    5. The dad failed to call 911 after killing his wife in a supposed fury of emotion.

    6. Dad also failed to run screaming onto the lawn for help or in anguish.
    In cases of such Greek tragedy magnitude either 5 or 6 usually comes into play.

    7. This entire scene - the "emotional argument", the vicious strangulation of two children, the father witnessing the incomprehensible and reacting with murderous fury and anguish - all of it was totally silent. Except for the poor dog howling that night. How do we know? Because the houses are in close proximity and neighbors mentioned hearing nothing but the dog the next day IIRC.

    8. CW did not scream or wail in anguish so great that it caused him to murder his wife. Not one report of such sounds.

    9. CW supposedly lost his mind in grief and anguish. However he regained it in moments in a manner that does not comport with a true mental break. In cases we have seen where people lose it and commit murder, they are typically either wailing on the lawn and to 911 operators or they are in an apparent psychotic state- not lying about what happened, not covering it up, not able to function normally at all. See thumbnail of Julie Schenecker as an example of what this looks like. Police interview Julie Schenecker after kids found dead

    10. CW, after such an insanely, horrific Greek tragedy of a scene, calmly loaded up the bodies of his wife and children in order to conceal their deaths and dispose of them. We know this because a neighbor stated she witnessed him leaving. (No reports of wailing and she said, IIRC, the truck drove normally. So no veering, spinning of tires or other signs of lack of composure). And it's apparently on video.

    11. CW, a man passionately in love enough with his kids to erupt in murderous rage when they're harmed, did not attempt to give them a burial that comports psychologically with the love and bond parents have with their kids. Death Rituals Reported by White, Black, and Hispanic Parents Following the ICU Death of an Infant or Child
    A Global History of Child Death

    12. Instead he dumps them in two separate vats of oil. Not together. No way to commemorate their lives. Concealed. Discarded. In a manner that veers from any known traditional burial rite of any kind.

    13. CW went to work and monitored the ring video of his house. After the horrific Greek tragedy he just endured. He went to work. And monitored the video of his front door.

    14. CW left a few voice messages and sent some texts to the wife he knew was dead, thus calmly concealing what happened.

    15. CW calmly called SW's friend after she came to the door and he saw her on the ring video. He asked what was going on. We know this because he stated as much and this is corroborated by the friend.

    16. CW rushed home - blowing stop signs and with beating heart, according to him- when CW came to the house and expressed alarm. The first time we have heard of a hint of emotion on his part since the horrific murders of his kids supposedly by his wife and his heat of passion killing of her, occurs when he the authorities are about to get involved.

    17. CW cooly lied to the friend about where SW was supposed to be that day and why she wasn't at home. After he lost his mind the night before. He is calm and able to work to conceal those events.

    18. There is not one hint of brief reactive psychosis or drug induced psychosis in CW's demeanor and behavior since 5:15 am the morning of the deaths, nor the next day as he gives calm and detailed interviews to the media. His pupils are normal. He is not slurring speech. He does not have a vacant stare. He exhibits no delusions or paranoia. He is not showing emotional lability. (I'm no expert in psychology but have seen a few psychotic people due to psychotic breaks or drugs and it's easy to research).

    19. CW shows no anguish, depression, grief, concern, sadness or despair during his stoic media interviews, despite having supposedly been so deranged by his passionate love for his kids that he killed their attacker. His eyes are dry. Not red. No signs of puffiness from weeping. His face is smooth and calm. He looks well rested. No bags under his eyes. He smiles. He grins. He smirks. All with the knowledge that his insane wife savagely murdered his precious babies causing him to lose his mind with anguish. And with the knowledge that the people he loved so fiercely it caused him to kill, are rotting in separate vats of oil.

    20. CW calmly and continuously lies to the media about the whereabouts of his dead wife and dead children.

    21. CW systematically works with LE to track down his wife and kids. Brainstorming. Supplying numbers and addresses. Calling people. All the while knowing they are dead and decomposing.

    22. CW is questioned and lies about having an affair. A motive in many murders of wives.

    23. SW was pregnant. (A circumstance present in vast numbers of murders of spouses or parents by men).

    24. Some people and report that CW seemed distant with his wife and kids in the weeks leading up to this monstrous event.

    25. CW was not hospitalized for any reason after this tragedy.

    A couple of things from the CO model jury instructions:

    D:01 DIRECT AND CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE—NO DISTINCTION

    A fact may be proven by either direct or circumstantial evidence. Under the law, both are acceptable ways to prove something. Neither is necessarily more reliable than the other.


    E:03 PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE, BURDEN OF PROOF, AND REASONABLE DOUBT

    Reasonable doubt means a doubt based upon reason and common sense which arises from a fair and rational consideration of all of the evidence, or the lack of evidence, in the case. It is a doubt which is not a vague, speculative or imaginary doubt, but such a doubt as would cause reasonable people to hesitate to act in matters of importance to themselves.

    https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/Supreme_Court/Committees/Criminal_Jury_Instructions/2017/COLJI-Crim 2017 - Final.pdf
     

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    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Good Morning.

    Here is your new thread for the Watts case.

    Take Care,
    Tricia
     
  6. actinem

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    I'm not sure if this has been brought up or not.. I tried to read through everything!

    I have a question about the baby monitor. If it's a modern monitor with a screen, wouldn't there be a recording somewhere? My baby monitor had a "sensor" on it when there was movement or noise that it would do a short recording so we could re-watch it later. Curious if they had something similar....
     
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  7. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    Good morning and welcome to Websleuths, @actinem ! :)

    We've had a considerable amount of discussion aboutt the baby monitor and I don't believe that there are recordings available. I sure would like to be wrong, though. MOO
     
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  8. On SW Facebook page CW is not listed as a friend whether in the "following" category or "followers" category.
    I realize that CW deactivated or deleted (not sure which action he took) his Facebook account the week before the murders.
    I thought that when someone deletes or deactivates their Facebook account that people who where your friend on Facebook will still see your name but the image icon is blank.
    Did SW remove CW from her friends list and if so when?
    I would have to assume for the purpose of Thrive and their both being involved in it financially and as a dual team that they would be on it each other SM pages for promoting purposes.
     
  9. Mo Thuairim

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    As far as I understand how it works once a person has deactivated their Facebook they disappear altogether from your friends list. The only place their name and a blank icon would remain would be in private messages and iirc old comments on posts.

    ETA: Actually you may be right on that. Just scrolled through my own friends list and people who have deleted their accounts are still there albeit with blank image icon. Never noticed that before. Not sure if only I can see them though or if people viewing my friends list can too...
     
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  10. tjredline

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    I *think* that only you would be able to see their name on your friends list
     
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    This is the message I received when I knew I had a friend with a deactivated account.

    This account has been deactivated. Only you can see ******** on your friends list. You have the option to unfriend ********.
     
  12. actinem

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    thank you! (I've been reading these forums for weeks, but finally decided to join because I had too many questions!)
    I figured it was probably brought up at some time, but possibly a page I missed! Our monitor is 3 years old, has wifi capability and connects the recordings to our phone. Just thinking that with all the other modern conveniences they had, I wouldn't be surprised if they had a fancier monitor that did the same thing!
     
  13. Davia18

    Davia18 Verified Human

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    Does everyone remember the story of Nicholas Francisco. He went missing after he was on his way home from work. Young couple 2 little ones and wife was pregnant with a 3rd. It was a big story in Seattle. His car was found abandoned. Anyways he literally left his old life behind zero warning signs.
    My point is I wish CW would have taken that route and just left and started all over.
     
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    According to a dubious source, another woman has allegedly had an affair with CW. She said he liked rough and animalistic sex, had a rape fantasy and was very kinky. If that’s true, the inmates of the prison where he’ll be incarcerated will be only too happy to satisfy his needs.

    Men like CW are the ultimate cowards in an already cruel world, and child killers are hated even by hardened prisoners. I guess that means he’ll choose to stay in solitary confinement for the rest of his miserable life, unless of course he ever gets the opportunity to end it all.

    Killer dad Chris Watts 'choked mistress while detailing rape fantasies during sex-fueled affair' | Daily Mail Online
     
  15. dgfred

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    So glad the guy on AB last night flatly said to her... if the guy worked there he would likely know of the camera if there was one. Durrrr
    She sure does ask some baaaad questions.... dang.
     
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    Flashing across bottom of screen during AB's show... damning evidence in accused truck?
    Really? Ya think. Maybe? Do you know? What is it then?
     
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    He already admitted putting the kids in the tank and burying SW nearby... why does she keep going on and on about there may be actual video of it? She gets sidetracked fairly easy.
     
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    I wonder what it was that made them so quickly find her body, though.
     
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    I was wondering still if she had access to drop in on her phone app live bc for sure it seems she may have running late on flight and missing them . Also checking to see if in bed at 630 -7 pm as usual . IMO she seemed very organized and was type A so it would be natural to do so. The reassurance of checking on them would give her reassurance they were ok without her being there physically . IMO we mammas worry even if no need to
     
  20. Gardenista

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    Maybe he dug the grave previously or brought the girls before Shanann and the camera will show that
     
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