GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #68

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  1. ColoGirl

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  2. Mitch11

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    I have just been putting together this list of 'potential' difficulties that CW 'may' have faced in childhood. This information is gleened from the information we have discussed so far. Please feel free to correct any information that maybe incorrect or add your own opinion/findings etc. Obviously we do not know these things definitively happened to CW, so they are suggestions of his potential upbringing (rather than fact).


    Family enmeshment:

    Signs we know of:
    Mother over-involvement in CW life and relationship with SW.

    Mother disrespects and undermines others beliefs/parenting techniques and boundaries (eg nut incident, comments about SW as a mother)

    Power games with them both (e.g. wedding planning, not attending wedding or children's parties, nut incident),

    Their identity as a family may be built upon their children’s success. Eg their talk on his past achievements (eg sports, nascar).

    Threatened when CW married and moved across the country (eg CW responsible for dads increase in drinking, their comments about SW)

    CW may have taken on a caretaker role towards RW’s drinking

    Family dynamics look like they were built on power and submission, rather than equality and respect.


    Effects of enmeshment on an adult: A failure to adequately develop an individual sense of identity and self-esteem, A difficulty regulating one’s own emotions, feeling controlled by others causing them to emotionally withdraw, negatively affect on relationships, difficulty developing appropriate and balanced friendships and difficulties with trust outside immediate family, fear of intimacy as relationships seen as emotionally draining, may seek out relationships in which they are responsible for caring for a partner, repeating what was learned in childhood.


    Fathers substance abuse issues:
    The nature of substance abuse can reduce a child's experience with making friends, so later they may have difficulty with intimate relationships. CW does have issues in these areas

    Addiction tendencies may be familial -both socially modelled and possible genetic trait?

    Impact of growing up with this: overlaps with enmeshment traits, particularly around loss of identity, feelings of responsibility, used to playing the role of the caregiver, may have an excessive need to be in control in order to balance out the chaos in their lives. Or they may constantly need approval, to reassure themselves that they have value. Some become aggressive.


    Attachment
    Mrs Watts described as cold and overbearing. Although its reported he has a close relationship with his dad, he will still be impacted by his relationship with his mother. There are numerous issues that arise from having an in-secure attachment.


    Social modelling
    His family have socially modeled the following:

    Women are domineering.

    Men avoid to cope, rather than confront (eg Dad used substances as a form of escape most likely).

    Unkind behaviour towards others

    No respect for personal boundaries



    Social and emotional development

    Guaranteed CW grew up in an invalidating environment.

    Emotions likely to not be acknowledged let alone expressed, which is a huge issue as this causes someone to lack emotional awareness and stunts development.

    Love and kindness probably 'rewarded' only when doing something right. Therefore, love becomes associated with doing what someone else wants, not inherently given. This will be linked to wanting to be seen as ‘good’.

    Socially he had few friends and lacked a dating history. The question remains why was that? Lack of interest, fear of parental opinion? Etc. This isn’t always an issue, however in this case it is suggests why he was so excited by the prospect of the affair he was having and the thrill he was getting from this.

    Supposedly his sister was 'naughty'. This may be a sign of issues at home (although cannot definitely say this). However, children take up roles in a family. CW has taken up the 'good' boy role, which would be a partial contributor to why he wants to save face and be seen as ‘good’


    Empathy

    Others say he was kind and caring

    Seems empathic towards NK. Why? (Concerned about her being dragged in to the case).

    Important to differentiate between empathy and sympathy. Psychopaths and sociopaths use empathy (not sympathy) to learn about a person and use this in a self-fulfilling manner (eg for their own purpose).

    Psychopath vs sociopath – no criminal history that we are aware, indicates CW is not a psychopath, but rather a sociopath.



    ** There is obviously a lot more that can be added to this””
     
  3. Harmony 2

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    Hi all - thank you all for your patience while the thread was closed. It's amazing how much time it takes to scan each quoted post and response to ensure the thread is compliant with our TOS.

    Going forward, zero tolerance, discussing the following topics will earn you an all-expenses-paid trip to the observation deck. Will it be 8 days? 3 days? 17 days? Spin the wheel to find out.
    *insinuating blame on a MURDER VICTIM for their own MURDER
    *advertising your use of the "ignore" function
    *generalizations about other posters (ex. "all of a sudden everyone is victim blaming")
    *discussion of other members' information (ex. join date, new to the thread, etc)
    *nuts or bowls of nuts or ice cream or nutty ice cream or... :confused:
    *responding to literally any of the above, in any fashion, including "mods said not to talk about that".
     
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    Hey Everyone,

    Watts thread is open again.

    As long as you discuss the case and not each other and the discussion remains within our terms of service, this thread will be open for as long as you want.

    On the last thread, you all started fighting with each other. It because about some of you being right and proving the other poster wrong.

    It is easy to say "ban 'em". Well yes, we can but that also creates a lot of work for the mods. So come on OK? Just stick to the topic and to terms of service there will be no problem.

    Tricia
     
  6. Noreen McGurl

    Noreen McGurl Cluelessone

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    Can anybody clarify or validate the stories that have been circulating about Shanann's ring, They give hints that monster was asking the Brain Trust NK what it was worth and she supposedly told him to pawn it is that true, and also speculation surrounding how she even knew what it looks like?
     
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    Noreen McGurl Cluelessone

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    Im replying to myself, i forgot they facetimed the night his pregnant wife and babies went missing duh and supposedly for 111 minutes because their conversation was so important on that night!? WTF
     
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    PDF pg 508 (Discovery pg 575) - NICHOL recalled another conversation on August 13, 2018 (Monday). CHRIS told NICHOL, SHANANN had left her wedding ring at the house. CHRIS asked NICHOL how much she thought the ring was worth. She responded by telling him to pawn it. He said he was going to get the ring appraised.
     
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    Noreen McGurl Cluelessone

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    Do we know when how she saw Shanann's ring to give her comment on what it was worth? The speculation kind of adds to the idea of her knowing everything that was going on?
     
  11. NuttMegg

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    Probably saw it on SW's hand while she watched SW's FB videos. Or when she saw the photographs on SW's wall while she was "visiting" SW's husband in SW's own house. And going thru the private rooms of SW and her kids, like the kids' playroom.
     
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    Or, seeing the ring may be the reason NK/CW switched to facetiming late Monday night when they were calling and texting hour after hour. Per nk interview with CBI . At one point on Monday night they switched over to face time.
     
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    “John works to send these blankets to first responders across the country, so they in turn can give them to kids in crisis. As a reserve police officer, John says he’s been in those situations firsthand.

    As they work to finish the last batch from the Watts’ memorial, he’s planning on giving those to law enforcement officers in the Fredrick area.

    But with his reputation growing, John received an unexpected and humbling request. He says Jessica Ridgeway’s family reached out, asking John to organize the same work for the stuffed animals left at her memorial.

    “To have the family reach out and say, ‘Hey, could you do the same thing with ours?,’ you feel the magnitude of what they would like to turn that into,” John said.““
     
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    A few questions;

    Does this mean CW took the ring off of Shanann's dead body? (My God!)

    If CW bought the ring, shouldn't he know what he paid for it?

    Did CW show NK the ring as a form of showing off? A "Look at the ring I bought her" sort of thing? Or was it proof that Shanann was truly gone?

    Thanks.
     
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    Am i allowed to discuss a YT video of Watts loading his truck that the author is showing additional moving shadows in? It's fascinating
     
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    (Alerting a moderator)
     
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    Am I remembering correctly that he said she only took it off when coloring her hair? (IIRC) If true, yah, he took it off her dead body. He was so anxious to show NUA the ring, remember when he held it out on extended finger with hand in gun pose? And he told a co-worker too, that SW had left it on "the counter", IIRC. He was way too invested in trying to prove that she took off her ring before she left, as a symbol.
     
  18. margarita25

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    I was just thinking about positive thinking and affirmations and rememberwd Shanann was all about that.

    Iirc when the cops first searched and saw her purse on the counter one cop was looking in a small notebook iirc and I thought he said it had positive affirmations or something like that, motivators...

    Is there a list somewhere possibly of positive affirmations she liked/used? Tia.
     
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    Only if it is MSM. If it is not MSM, we have no way of verifying the source of the video or whether there has been any form of editing.
     
  20. PommyMommy

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    IMO, yes he removed her ring. And although he undoubtedly knew the cost of the ring, it would likely have appreciated in value. I suspect he wanted to get as much out of it as possible. :mad: I don't necessarily think he showed the ring to NK. He could have, but I don't think we know. If he did, I think it would have been more about selling the idea that Shanann left him.
    MOO
     
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