GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #69

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  1. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    Ugh I’m totally dreading this. :(

    Prayers for the Rs. Will they be seeing all this for the first time now as well? I know they’ve been informed but...

    I’ll never get that vision out of my head of her dad sobbing that first time...

    This is so bad. I hate this. I can’t (again) freaking believe this is happening (happened).

    This freak of nature monster!
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    I think the OP is referring to the alleged affair with AM via Tinder.

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    Chris Watts' daughter pleaded for her life, attorney says
    Mar 05, 2019

    “(CNN) — Chris Watts' 4-year-old daughter knew her mother and younger sister, Celeste, had just been killed -- and she feared she would be next.

    "Please Daddy, don't do to me what you just did to Cece," said Bella, according to a lawyer for the family of Shannan Watts, the girls' mother.“

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    Bringing this forward for this morning:

    “And now, five hours of recorded interviews with Watts – conducted Feb. 18 by investigators with the Frederick Police Department, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, and the FBI – are set to be made public Thursday morning.

    Here's what's expected to be released:

    Two audio files (approximately five hours total)
    Two images of Christopher Watts
    A CBI written report
    A letter from Colorado Department of Public Safety (CDPS) Executive Director Stan Hilkey

    Once it's released, listen to the interview on our YouTube page, read updates and watch our coverage throughout the day on 9NEWS and 9NEWS.com.”

    In his own words, voice: Chris Watts details murders of pregnant wife, daughters
     
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  2. Tigerlily75

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    Going by memory because I don’t have time to look up discovery pages:

    CW rang Primose that morning, just after dumping his baby girls, to say they wouldn’t be in, nor coming back to the school at all. He oddly also asked “they aren’t there are they?” or something to that effect.

    SR (SW’s Mom) also rang the school that morning to ask if they were there.

    CW calling became the talk of the school - the staff thought it was odd. I believe they rang police once they knew the family was missing.
     
  3. Colorfuel

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    There is a logic that makes this work, *if* the parent who is told they won’t see their kids again is motivated by controlling his family and he views his wife and kids as his personal property. Chris Watts was not in that mode, though, he was in disposal mode.

    I was in a very long-term relationship with someone who is likely a sociopath, who was spawned by a narcissist-centered family. That’s one of the reasons I take an interest in some of these cases. Even with more than a decade of day-in, day-out life experience with someone whose brain is like this, I don’t have a way to fully bridge the gap and know if they believe what they appear to, and feel what they are assumed to feel or claim they feel.

    I will never know if that person believes in anything spiritual, but they are involved in a quasi-religious organization at a fairly high level.

    This kind of mind is just different. A lot of the questions I asked about the person will never have answers. How could they do this or that horrible, cruel thing? Why did they lie about this or that? Which of the things I was told were and weren’t true? If the person you’re asking these questions of doesn’t actually have any meaningful answers in their mind, then you’re not going to get any. :/

    I do think that belief-driven organizations are great places for sociopaths to insert themselves. As long as they follow the rules, no one will assess their character and motivations very closely. They will find s lot of prepackaged moral and ethical things to say and do. They will be able to rise in the ranks, if the organization is hierarchical.
     
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  4. Gardenista

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    Just saw another part of the email about the data dump. Paraphrased:

    Due to the volume of information released by Weld County, there are only a handful of redactions in the files.
     
  5. Sheenaisapunkrocker

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    Agree 100%
    Wouldn't the girls move around in the truck? I would expect to see more movement, or something besides a shadow on the surveillance footage. Maybe he told them it was a game and they had to lie down and be quiet?!
    It's more plausible, to me, that CW murdered Shanann like he said, Bella walked in, then he killed her and Cece, all in the house and then loaded them up in his truck.
    But then I wonder why he would make up taking the two girls to the site, still alive?! He's a pathological liar. He should take another polygraph to corroborate his new story.
    All IMO.
     
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    Colorado 9News has gone live Well, they did for a bit. They just said they would come back with more info when it is released.
     
  7. PommyMommy

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    Interview with Chris Watts, case documents released by CBI
    Audio from five hours of interviews with Christopher Watts, who was sentenced to life in prison for killing his pregnant wife and two daughters, has been released by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation.

    FOX31 and Channel 2 has a team in the newsroom reviewing everything that was released. We will be making careful decisions on what content we report on-air and online.

    While the interview and documents are now public records, we are working to be thoughtful in our coverage and considerate to all those involved with and touched by this case.
     
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    CBI releases records from Chris Watts’ Feb. 18 post-conviction confession at Wisconsin prison
    The Colorado Bureau of Investigation released this morning records pertaining to Chris Watts’ Feb. 18 confession to law enforcement about how and why he killed his pregnant wife, Shanann, and their two daughters, Bella and Celeste.

    The records released at 8 a.m. include two audio files documenting Watts’ five-hour long interview with CBI, FBI and Frederick police, two images of Watts, one CBI report, and a letter from Colorado Department of Public Safety Executive Director Stan Hilkey.

    The Tribune has accessed the records and reporters are reviewing them. Check back often to GreeleyTribune.com, as we will be updating this story throughout the day.
     
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    It's live now on the nicer pod persons youtube channel. You can search for this EXCLUSIVE!!! CHRIS WATTS CONFESSION AUDIO RELEASE!
     
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    He likes prison better than jail because the inmates don't judge him:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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    CBI releases records from Chris Watts’ Feb. 18 post-conviction confession at Wisconsin prison
    3/7/19

    The Colorado Bureau of Investigation released this morning records pertaining to Chris Watts’ Feb. 18 confession to law enforcement about how and why he killed his pregnant wife, Shanann, and their two daughters, Bella and Celeste.

    The records released at 8 a.m. include two audio files documenting Watts’ five-hour long interview with CBI, FBI and Frederick police, two images of Watts, a 37-page CBI report, and a letter from Colorado Department of Public Safety Executive Director Stan Hilkey.

    The Tribune has accessed the records and reporters are reviewing them. Check back often to GreeleyTribune.com, as we will be updating this story throughout the day.
     
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    He's worried about lunch!
     
  14. Tigerlily75

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    I like that they had his ugly mugshot in the background
     
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    Not sure if this will format correctly here. From the CBI doc:

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    (With regard to what happened to SHANANN, BELLA, and CELESTE.) SHANANN arrived home around 2:00 A.M. and he felt her get into bed.
     He felt SHANANN “stirring around” in bed and he felt like she knew he was having an affair.
    o He had used his credit card when he went out to dinner with KESSINGER because he didn’t
    have another Anadarko gift card and couldn’t ask KESSINGER to pay.
     SHANANN started rubbing her hand on his leg or chest and they had sexual intercourse. (WATTS
    said he and SHANANN had sexual intercourse at approximately 2:30 A.M.)
    o He and SHANANN had sex in the missionary position.
    o HefeltlikesexwithSHANANNwasmoreofa“test.”
    o He felt “strange” when he had sex with SHANANN and questioned who he was and who he had become.
    o Having sex with SHANANN may have been a “trigger point...or like you hit the push button on a bomb and it just blows up.”
     He and SHANANN fell asleep after they had sex.
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    o Whenhewokeupthatmorning,hegotreadyforworkandthenreturnedtothebedandwoke SHANANN up to talk.
    o SHANANN was sleeping face down and rolled over onto her back to talk to him. o He felt like he had to say something to SHANANN.
    o He straddled SHANANN on the bed around her waist.
    He believed SHANANN initially thought he wanted to have sex with her again since he was on top of her.
    SHANANN told him he was hurting the baby.
    o He and SHANANN talked for approximately 15-20 minutes with him straddling on top of
    her.
    o He was concerned SHANANN knew about his affair and she and the kids wouldn’t be there when he got home from work that evening.
    He felt like either SHANANN would take the kids away from the house or would lock him out when he tried to come home after work.
    o He asked SHANANN if they could cancel their couple’s trip to Aspen.
    o He asked SHANANN if they could move to Brighton, Colorado, so they could get away
    from their house.
    o He felt like going out on Saturday evening with KESSINGER and using their credit card was going to be “the last straw.”
    SHANANN told him she knew there was someone else and cried. He denied having an affair.
    “I just felt guilty...more guilty than ever before.”
    o He told SHANANN he didn’t think their marriage was going to work.
    o He did not feel like he and SHANANN were compatible with each other.
    “Anything that’s new (referring to his relationship with KESSINGER), always feels better than the old.”
    He always felt nervous around SHANANN and never felt like he could be himself.
    o SHANANN asked him, “What about last night?”
    o SHANANNhadn’ttakenoffherbraanddidn’twashherfacebeforeshegotintobed,soshe had mascara running down her face.
    o He and SHANANN’s conversation lasted less than 30 minutes.
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    o SHANANN told him to get off of her and that she knew he had someone else.
    o He couldn’t bring himself to tell her about KESSINGER.
    o He told SHANANN he didn’t love her and SHANANN said, “You’re never gonna see the kids again...you’re never gonna see them again...get off me...don’t hurt the baby.”
    He immediately put both of his hands around SHANANN’s neck and strangled her.
    “Every time I think about it, I’m just like, did I know I was going to do that (referring to strangling SHANANN) before I got on top of her?”
    “Like, the whole—everything that happened that morning I just don’t—I don’t know, like...like, I try to go back in my head...I’m just like, I didn’t want to do this, but I did it...everything just kinda like...it just felt like it was...I don’t even want to say it felt like I had to, it just felt like there was already something in my mind that was implanted that I was gonna do it and when I woke up that morning it was gonna happen and I had no control over it.”
    At the sentencing he heard the prosecutor said it takes 2-4 minutes to strangle someone to death, so “Why couldn’t I just let go?”
    He doesn’t want to know what SHANANN saw when she looked back at him while he was strangling her. (WATTS denied covering SHANANN’s head or face with anything when he strangled her.)
    SHANANN never fought back or screamed.
    He does not know why SHANANN didn’t fight back.
    He believes SHANANN may have been praying.
    He read the bible that said, “Forgive these people for they do not know what they do,” and maybe SHANANN was saying that in her head at the time.
    When he was asked to take off his shirt so we could check for defensive wounds, he knew immediately he didn’t have any because SHANANN never fought back.
    He does not recall SHANANN’s arm being pinned down (by his knees).
    “I feel like in the back of my head...that was gonna happen...and just like, at the end of the conversation, it was just like, that’s what happened...I just wished I could’ve let go.”
    Time seemed to stand still and he saw his life disappearing before his eyes but he couldn’t let go.
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    “It was like picturing someone around you, holding your hands, holding you and keeping you from letting go.”
    He felt like he was in a rage and “snapped.”
    His attorney mentioned the crime of strangulation was “passionate” and he
    does understand how that could be passionate.
    o That morning, “it was a new type of fight.”
    o Therewasemotionatfirst,butitwasmoreangerthananythingelsebecausetherewasnolove
    there.
    o “I think it was more anger from me and more like desperation from her.” o SHANANN knew something wasn’t right and wanted to fix it.
     After SHANANN was “gone,” he didn’t know what was happening and felt like it was “traumatic event.”
    o He was shaking and didn’t know what had happened.
    o He didn’t know what to do and didn’t know what he had done.
    o He wasn’t in the right state of mind and wasn’t in control of his thoughts or actions.
    o People asked him why he didn’t call 911, but no one knows what they would do in the same situation.
     After SHANANN was dead, BELLA walked into their bedroom holding her blanket and asked what was wrong with mommy.
    o He believed BELLA may have been woken up by the noise. o He told BELLA, “Mommy don’t feel good.”
    o BELLAthoughtSHANANNwassleeping.
    o He wrapped SHANANN face down in the bed sheet, which was recovered at the oil site. (SHANANN was still wearing her shirt, bra, and underwear she had on when she got into bed.)
    o HetriedtocarrySHANANNdownthestairsandlosthisgripandendeduphavingtopullher down the stairs.
    BELLA watched him drag SHANANN down the stairs and began to cry and said, “What’s wrong with mommy?”
    He told BELLA again that her mommy didn’t feel good.
     BELLA is a smart girl and knew what was going on.
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     BELLA never touched SHANANN or tried to wake her up.
     BELLA followed him down the stairs.
    He backed his pick-up into the drive-way and put SHANANN into the back seat of
    his truck on the floorboard.
    o When he returned inside, CELESTE was in her room and was starting to get out of her bed.
    He believed the noise of SHANANN’s feet hitting the stairs as he dragged her down the stairs, may have woken up CELESTE.
    BELLA and CELESTE were light sleepers.
    BELLA and CELESTE were walking around the house.
    Every time he sees pictures of BELLA and CELESTE he doesn’t understand how it all could have happened.
    Being a dad was the best part of his life and he took it all away.
    He felt like someone else had control over him that day and he wasn’t able to fight
    back.
    When the prosecutor said BELLA bit her tongue repeatedly, he wanted to bang his head up against the wall.
    o Atthatpoint,heputhislunchboxinthetruckandthenputbothBELLAandCELESTEinthe back of his truck on the bench seat.
    SHANANN was lying on the floorboard.
    BELLA asked, “Is mommy okay?”
    He told BELLA and CELESTE that mommy would be fine.
    BELLA and CELESTE each had a blanket with them and CELESTE had a stuffed animal (barking dog).
    o He put a gas can in the back of his truck and felt like he could get rid of himself at the same time.
    He didn’t feel like he deserved to live or be on this earth after what had happened.
    After everything happened, he considered taking his own life as well.
    He did not commit suicide because he felt like if he did it out at the oil site, he may have ended up hurting more people than just himself.
    He knew there were other people in the area and didn’t want something to catch fire or blow up.
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    He does not own any weapons, but nothing seemed right that morning.
    o As he drove to the oil site with SHANANN, BELLA, and CELESTE, he was nervous,
    o
    shaking, and didn’t know what was going to happen.
    He knew at that moment that his life was completely changed.
    He has tried to picture the long ride out to the oil site and wondered if he could have saved his girls’ life.
    He wasn’t thinking during the entire drive.
    He has read books about how dads could never hurt their children and he has
    wondered, “Was I even a dad at one point? I don’t know.”
    He had wanted his whole life to be a dad and nothing made sense, including the oil tank.
    During the ride, the girls were dozing on and off, held each other, and laid in each other’s laps.
    During the ride, BELLA said, “Daddy, it smells.”
    When he got to the oil site, he took SHANANN out of the back of the truck and pulled her
    over and laid her on the ground near where she was ultimately buried.
    BELLA and CELESTE were still sitting in the back of the truck as he removed SHANANN.
    BELLA and CELESTE asked him, “What are you doing to mommy?”
     He doesn’t recall what he told them.
    o He returned to the truck and “CECE was first.”
    CELESTE had a blue Yankees blanket and he put it over her head.
    He strangled CELESTE in the back seat.
    He put his hand over CELESTE’s mouth and nose (over the blanket) and his other hand around the front of CELESTE’s neck.
    BELLA was seated right beside CELESTE as he strangled her, but BELLA didn’t say anything.
    He had no idea how long it took to strangle/smother CELESTE because he had no concept of time.
    (With regard to what he was thinking at the time.) “I wasn’t...if I was thinking, this wouldn’t have happened...or any partial hint of what I feel for
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    those girls and what I feel for my wife then none of this would have happened...so I wasn’t thinking.”
    o After CELESTE died, he took CELESTE out of the truck, walked her up to the oil tank, opened the hatch, and dropped her inside, feet first.
    He believed it was tight when he put CELESTE through the hatch on the oil tank.
    He did not have to “hit” CELESTE into the tank, but may have had to manipulate her to get her inside.
    He closed the hatch on the oil tank and returned to his truck.
    o When he got in the truck, BELLA asked him, “What happened to CECE?”
    BELLA asked him in her soft voice, “Is the same thing gonna happen to me as CECE?”
    He is not sure if he told BELLA “yes” like a horrible person.
    o He then put the same Yankees blanket over BELLA’s head and “did the same
    thing.”
    BELLA said, “Daddy, No!” and it was the last words she spoke.
    He put his hand over BELLA’s nose and mouth (over the blanket) and his other hand around the front of her neck.
    (With regard to BELLA’s injuries in her mouth.) BELLA’s head was twisting back and forth under the blanket while he smothered/strangled her.
     He could hear BELLA “grunt” as she tried to breathe.
    He noticed a couple of spots over BELLA’s eye when he picked her up.
    He walked BELLA up to a separate oil tank, opened the hatch, and dropped her inside, feet first.
    BELLA seemed harder to get into the tank than CELESTE, but he just had to manipulate her to get her inside.
    He does not know why he put BELLA and CELESTE in separate oil tanks.
    BELLA and CELESTE were not alive when he put them into the oil tanks.
    o After he put BELLA into the oil tank, he returned to where SHANANN was located
    and started to clear away some weeds with his rake.
    The rake broke when he used it remove weeds and he left part of it out at the site.
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    He does not believe he ever thought about going back for the broken part of his rake.
    He dug a hole with his shovel and put SHANANN inside.
    SHANANN was not bleeding or cut when he buried her.
    He recalled SHANANN’s eyes were bloodshot.
    SHANANN had not partially given birth when he buried her in the ground.
    SHANANN was wearing a shirt and blue colored underwear.
    o Every time he closes his eyes, he hears BELLA say, “Daddy, No!” He hears it every day.
    o Just thinking about the oil tank makes him want to throw up.
    FRANK RZUCEK said at his sentencing that he was trying to separate everyone and
    that was not true.
    He felt like someone else was in control of what he was doing.
    He did not consider the fact that it may have helped with detection by putting the girls in separate oil tanks.
    He didn’t consider putting the girls with SHANANN because everything happened so fast and “I had no time to really have a thought that was my own.”
    He didn’t purposely try to separate any of them.
    o (With regard to the trash bags found at the oil tank site.) He didn’t want his girls looking at SHANANN in the backseat of his truck, so he placed one trash bag on her feet and the other around her head.
    The girls didn’t know what was going on.
    o After the murders, the Yankees blanket was still in his truck and he threw it away.
    He stopped by a construction dumpster in his neighborhood and threw away his clothes and the Yankees blanket on his way home from work on Monday.
    He keeps extra boots and clothes in his work truck, which he changed into after the murders.
    o He felt like taking CELESTE and BELLA’s lives was caused by an anger with SHANANN that he took out on everyone in front of him that morning.
    He had never been angry before “and this was like the epitome of being angry.” He had rage and lost his mind.
     
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    I honestly think I could keep two little girls in line in this situation, especially kids like this who were well raised. “Mommy is very, very sick. She is so sick she can’t wake up right now and talk, and she needs your help. You must remain very quiet and do everything I say to help Mommy. Sit right here and wait. Don’t move. If you move, it might make Mommy sicker because she will have to wait longer.” And so on. Sad and cruel, but not hard to do.
     
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    I lost my internet for 2 days and I'm just now catching up. I'm Speechless.

    @MassGuy Mea culpa-- I'm stunned that the pod people had correct info. My hats off to you for judging that correctly. I'm still torn on if I believe CW told the truth this time. But I also need to catch up on 2 days worth of posts. Just reading Pommy's cliff notes above I'm not sure I want to read anymore.

    :eek::mad::(

    MOO.
     
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    Chilling new confession: What man told police about killing pregnant wife, daughters
    Chris Watts told investigators he put both of his hands around his wife Shanann Watts' neck and strangled her, according to the report.

    "Every time I think about it, I’m just like, did I know I was going to do that before I got on top of her?” he told investigators, according to the report. "I don’t even want to say it felt like I had to. It just felt like there was already something in my mind that was implanted that I was gonna do it and when I woke up that morning it was gonna happen and I had no control over it.”

    He said his wife never fought back or screamed, according to the report.
     
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    I'm shaking after what I read. He is inhuman.
     
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    I don't know what to think about this. I almost needed to laugh... his facial expression is so much "softer", hard to explain. Now I can imagine him being a lunatic cult leader :D :D
     
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