GUILTY CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #70

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  1. BradB

    BradB Well-Known Member

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    I believe transparency is the key to a healthy relationship and marriage. Once Chris realized he didnt want to be with SW anymore he should have just said so right away instead of having it fester.

    I will also say before getting into a relationship with somebody you have to do your due diligence. I understand times are tougher today and access is much easier due to dating apps but you have to do your homework on people.
     
  2. Misy

    Misy Well-Known Member

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    I read every page too. Took forever! I definitely don’t recall that many pics of NK and nothing other than the ones we’ve all seen that are widely out there. But some people here sometimes refer to a “nude selfie” for example “texted 10 min after she’s asking him to fix things with his wife”. Just wondered where that pic (and timing) came from.
     
  3. pinkie60

    pinkie60 Well-Known Member

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    She is very manipulative. when talking to LE it looked to me like she was the one in control
     
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    Colorfuel Well-Known Member

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    The best book on this imo is Why Does He Do That? by Lundy Bancroft. I haven’t read it in years now but I still recommend it whenever I hear of anyone in an abuse situation. The author also writes about when you should leave and how to do so safely.

    https://www.amazon.com/Why-Does-He-...d=1552235117&s=gateway&sr=8-1&tag=googhydr-20

    IIRC one of the points Bancroft makes is that men who abuse do so because they can, and they get more out of it than they lose from it. And that is mostly because of how our patriarchal society is structured.

    The book is not specifically about dealing with narcissism or sociopathy. I think with someone like CW there may not have been enough red flags. However, when I see the letters he was writing to NK, those are imo warning signs. He was way over the top—too good to be true. If he love-bombed Shanann in a similar way, that would have been a sign he was not normal.

    Btw I am not saying Shanann should have or could have known CW would ever be dangerous. So back to your point, if there were more information on how to avoid these problems, and how to prevent monstrous behavior to begin with, yes, that would be great.
     
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  5. Jessthinkin

    Jessthinkin Well-Known Member

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    Was anyone else surprised when CW said in his interview that he was surprised he’d gotten life in prison, that he didn’t think he’d get that much?
    Just another example of how little common sense he has... killing four people, including three small children... what other sentence would be possible?
     
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  6. pinkie60

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    Yeah he would and shannans parents would have their daughter and grandchildren Frankie would have his sister and nieces. Her friends would have her back. It goes on and on. His parents would have the grandchildren. If only-----but Chris wanted them gone. When he chose to get rid of them he must have imagined a much happier ending for himself
     
  7. kkdj

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    I just cannot understand how a person can be wanting another child with their mate and within months of knowing a child is on the way, already has 2 other beautiful loving children, can decide to murder his wife and children for a poa. I just don't get it. Has his whole life been acting he's happy and relatively calm and passive and yet the storm has been brewing? That's so scary to think that there are others out there that nobody would ever suspect. And now he gives an interview that I personally don't know his motivation for doing, except for attention, something to do, give a message to someone, etc. I know he says he found God and is looking for salvation, but it strikes me as digging the knife in deeper, just a little more evil at hand and of course he's out of his cell and getting attention and messages out there. He also got it out there that he would like to see NK one more time. My skin is crawling!
     
  8. kkdj

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    Well, I think they let her think that. Personally, I thought she came across as covering her own *** and unemotional about what happened to others.
     
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  9. Jessthinkin

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    I agree... if a crucial witness hasn’t lawyered up already, best to keep them feeling relatively safe so they keep cooperating.
    NK came across to me as extremely controlling in her police interviews; constantly talking over and through the investigator, etc. IMO, not deferential (or even polite) at all...
     
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    Why would he be surprised? Wasn't he told that was the deal? Of course, he could have the death penalty instead. He must have known that. I'm sure his attys. advised him of everything on his plate.
    Maybe he just thought he didn't do anything so bad for life in prison. He's still not taking responsibility and lacks empathy. He's scary......because he doesn't come across as dangerous. He actually comes across as a wimpy nice guy imo.
     
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  11. Jessthinkin

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    Yes, you make good points... I think his persona was all wrapped up in being ‘the nice guy’, and he was probably told that a LOT by all sorts of people. Where the childish world view/lack of common sense shows up here is that he is surprised to get a life sentence for those heartless murders, even though he’s a ‘nice guy’. In the interview he also referred to the murders as a ‘moment in time’ he didn’t want to be judged on. (!?) So strange...
     
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    From discovery page 2093:

    1640 hours: Shanann called Watts and held an eighteen minute conversation[41 - TL: 5559]

    Simultaneous to that call Watts transferred a nude selfie of Kessinger into his Secret Calculator a pplication[41 - lmages: 2550]
     
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  13. pinkie60

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    She deleted something like 2000 pages of messages (maybe pix too).
     
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    Thank you Gardenista!! :)
     
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    Such a pity Agents Coder and Lee did not interview NK. That would be interesting !
     
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    That's what gets me too they seemed so happy. But I guess it started going south when she went to North Carolina for 6wks. By then he was seeing NK and was distant to put it mildly when he joined Shannan and the kids in NC for a week. I think he was getting obsessed and afraid to lose NK. What a tangled mess
    Really if he was so conflicted right then he should have gotten an apt and moved out
    Maybe this could be some advice for someone with a similar issue.
     
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    I agree that NK did the pursuing. I believe CW saying that he could be himself around NK is because he was married to his opposite, whereas NK worked in the same industry, knew same team members, culture, projects, etc., and they could spend their stolen moments together talking shop, Metallica, and having sex.

    Having an affair with a work mate means there's never any awkward silence as when getting to know a stranger. CW was comfortable around NK because he was comfortable at work and that environment. He liked his job, and was acknowledged by his peers for his skills and performance. CW would have failed trying to have an affair with a real stranger that he had to get to know. He didn't have game. MOO
     
  18. Charlot123

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    NK Googled Amber Frey. She wanted to write a book. This at the time when she should have felt guilt for all of it. Because of her involvement with a married man, a pregnant women and two toddlers were killed. And she is not an idiot, she must have guessed something from the very beginning when they disappeared. Like she had no scruples to visit the Wattses’ house, to have bites from Shanann’s family table, so to say, she will have no remorse. She preened herself for that “mistress” role, for that photo on the Denver magazine cover. Don’t count on her repenting, she is angry that life threw her a curve. Maybe men she meets will be superstitious enough to stay away from her, and this will be her punishment.
     
  19. pinkie60

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    You have such good insight. I wondered what Chris meant when he said he could be himself around her. Just a thought. I don't think he socialized much with even one male coworker. Idk maybe he felt isolated and needed some male company. Just a thought
     
  20. Charlot123

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    I am glad they are not accessible to public. NK is deeply amoral person and does not need any “advertisement” in the form of nudes, tbh.
     
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