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The number of people already infected by the mystery virus emerging in China is far greater than official figures suggest, scientists have told the BBC.

There have been 41 laboratory-confirmed cases of the new virus, but UK experts estimate the figure is closer to 1,700.

New Chinese virus 'will have infected hundreds'

Up to 4,500 patients in China may have caught the same strain of coronavirus that has killed two people, scientists fear.

Health officials in Wuhan – the city at the heart of the outbreak which started in December – confirmed four new cases today, taking the total to 48.

But Imperial College London researchers say this may be the 'tip of the iceberg' after analysing flights out of the city.

Experts say the fact three Chinese tourists have tested positive for the virus outside Wuhan indicates the disease toll may be higher than reported.

Scientists fear up to 4,500 Chinese patients may have caught the new coronavirus | Daily Mail Online

COVID-19 -Media, Maps, Videos, Timelines, CDC/WHO Resources, etc. ***NO DISCUSSION***

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Oh, and just found out on this link below, if you scroll past the international figures, at the bottom of that long list, you can click on USA and if you scroll up after clicking USA, it gives totals for each city. Again, they sometimes are a little late like a day or so to catch up with the breaking state news, but they usually get them pretty close and fairly quickly for US.

Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline

Thanks Hatfield. The above link is contained in the WS MEDIA, MAPS & TIMELINE *NO DISCUSSION* thread which is linked in the opening post of each thread.
 
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Hey Everyone,

After SillyBilly's warning, I am still seeing political posts.

I really REALLY want to keep this thread open. This thread is needed but everyone needs to stop with the politics. Stop with the complaining about politics. Stop with the complaining about posters complaining about politics.

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I bet a lot of us had novel Corona and recovered, thinking we had a cold or flu. I don’t fear it, I fear the unknowns.....
The things we are asked to do seem no dif’ than what we normally do during flu season.
I’m most curious how many X one might be able to contract it. If one has a mild case, requiring no medical intervention, will they get it again once they resume normal activity? No one seems to know.
Some of the advice makes little sense, like going to the grocery at off hours. Perfect. So everyone goes at off hours, what then? Limiting groups to 250 or less might cause more small functions so the same number of people are out, just spread put more. Smh.....
Too many unknowns.
I had the flu this past January and I confess I wondered the same. It lasted 3 weeks and I felt miserable. However, the one thing I question is why no one who came in contact with me caught it. Since CV is so contagious, I think DH, or my stepson or even my grandson might have had it as well. DH is 9 years older than I am, so especially him.

We also visited family since we had to return our grandson to his parents, where we spent a late Christmas with more family. I was still not feeling the best at that time.. No one became sick afterwards.
 
What are the symptoms of COVID-19? Is it deadly?
It typically causes flu-like symptoms. Some patients — particularly the elderly and others with other chronic health conditions — develop a severe form of pneumonia.

Patients develop symptoms like fever, muscle and body aches, cough, and sore throat about 5-6 days after infection. Most people will feel pretty miserable for a week and get better on their own. Some people won’t get as sick, but it’s still important not to be out and about, so as not to spread the disease. A minority of patients will get worse instead of better. This usually happens after 5-7 days of illness and these patients will have more shortness of breath and worsening cough. If this happens, it’s time to contact your doctor again or even go to an emergency room. Be sure to call first so they know you are coming.
COVID-19: What we know so far about the 2019 novel coronavirus - UChicago Medicine
 
COVID-19 spreads to 3 more Oregon counties
3 hours ago

“The coronavirus outbreak, now considered a worldwide pandemic, has spread throughout Oregon with the confirmation of four new cases in three previously unaffected counties.

The new cases are in Polk, Marion, and Deschutes counties where health officials described these as community-spread.”

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COVID-19 in Oregon: Four new presumptive cases in state, total now 19

“There are now 19 people who have been diagnosed with COVID-19 in Oregon, the Oregon Health Authority announced Wednesday.”

[...]

“None of the new cases involved travel to a country where the virus is actively spreading. The Polk, Marion and Deschutes cases had no known close contacts with confirmed cases, so they are considered community-spread. The Umatilla County case is a close contact with that county’s first case, which was the third overall reported in the state.”

[...]

The breakdown of COVID-19cases in Oregon is as follows:

  • Multnomah County: 1
  • Washington County: 8
  • Marion County: 2
  • Douglas County: 1
  • Jackson County: 2
  • Klamath County: 1
  • Umatilla County: 2
  • Polk County: 1
  • Deschutes County: 1”
 
I had the flu this past January and I confess I wondered the same. It lasted 3 weeks and I felt miserable. However, the one thing I question is why no one who came in contact with me caught it. Since CV is so contagious, I think DH, or my stepson or even my grandson might have had it as well. DH is 9 years older than I am, so especially him.

We also visited family since we had to return our grandson to his parents, where we spent a late Christmas with more family. I was still not feeling the best at that time.. No one became sick afterwards.
I don’t think it’s a given everyone will get it, I also think some get it but have no symptoms. Moo
 
I had the flu this past January and I confess I wondered the same. It lasted 3 weeks and I felt miserable. However, the one thing I question is why no one who came in contact with me caught it. Since CV is so contagious, I think DH, or my stepson or even my grandson might have had it as well. DH is 9 years older than I am, so especially him.

We also visited family since we had to return our grandson to his parents, where we spent a late Christmas with more family. I was still not feeling the best at that time.. No one became sick afterwards.

healthy immune systems and luck
 
I’ve mentioned that I have mild asthma and haven’t used inhalers for a couple of years. Getting allergies under control has helped. However, I called my pulmonologist’s office this morning to ask if it would be wise to start using them now to sort of have my lungs in better shape in case I end up getting coronavirus. I just got a call back that he does think it’s a good idea, so I’m glad I checked.

ETA: I said I hoped they were taking coronavirus seriously, even though we only have 2 confirmed cases in our county...so far...and not waiting until it gets worse when testing picks up. She said “Oh yes. Absolutely.”
That is good for me to know. Thanks.
 
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The Extraordinary Decisions Facing Italian Doctors

Two weeks ago, Italy had 322 confirmed cases of the coronavirus. At that point, doctors in the country’s hospitals could lavish significant attention on each stricken patient.

One week ago, Italy had 2,502 cases of the virus, which causes the disease known as COVID-19. At that point, doctors in the country’s hospitals could still perform the most lifesaving functions by artificially ventilating patients who experienced acute breathing difficulties.

Today, Italy has 10,149 cases of the coronavirus. There are now simply too many patients for each one of them to receive adequate care. Doctors and nurses are unable to tend to everybody. They lack machines to ventilate all those gasping for air.

Now the Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (SIAARTI) has published guidelines for the criteria that doctors and nurses should follow in these extraordinary circumstances. The document begins by likening the moral choices facing Italian doctors to the forms of wartime triage that are required in the field of “catastrophe medicine.” Instead of providing intensive care to all patients who need it, its authors suggest, it is becoming necessary to follow “the most widely shared criteria regarding distributive justice and the appropriate allocation of limited health resources.”

The principle they settle upon is utilitarian. “Informed by the principle of maximizing benefits for the largest number,” they suggest that “the allocation criteria need to guarantee that those patients with the highest chance of therapeutic success will retain access to intensive care.”

The authors, who are medical doctors, then deduce a set of concrete recommendations for how to manage these impossible choices, including this: “It may become necessary to establish an age limit for access to intensive care.”

Those who are too old to have a high likelihood of recovery, or who have too low a number of “life-years” left even if they should survive, will be left to die. This sounds cruel, but the alternative, the document argues, is no better. “In case of a total saturation of resources, maintaining the criterion of ‘first come, first served’ would amount to a decision to exclude late-arriving patients from access to intensive care.”

In addition to age, doctors and nurses are also told to take a patient’s overall state of health into account: “The presence of comorbidities needs to be carefully evaluated.” This is in part because early studies of the virus seem to suggest that patients with serious preexisting health conditions are significantly more likely to die. But it is also because patients in a worse state of overall health could require a greater share of scarce resources to survive: “What might be a relatively short treatment course in healthier people could be longer and more resource-consuming in the case of older or more fragile patients.”

These guidelines apply even to patients who require intensive care for reasons other than the coronavirus, because they too make demands on the same scarce medical resources. As the document clarifies, “These criteria apply to all patients in intensive care, not just those infected with CoVid-19.”

My academic training is in political and moral philosophy. I have spent countless hours in fancy seminar rooms discussing abstract moral dilemmas like the so-called trolley problem. If a train is barreling toward five innocent people who are tied to the tracks, and I could divert it by pulling the lever, but at the cost of killing an innocent bystander, should I do it?

Part of the point of all those discussions was, supposedly, to help professionals make difficult moral choices in real-world circumstances. If you are an overworked nurse battling a novel disease under the most desperate circumstances, and you simply cannot treat everyone, however hard you try, whose life should you save?

Despite those years of theory, I must admit that I have no moral judgment to make about the extraordinary document published by those brave Italian doctors. I have not the first clue whether they are recommending the right or the wrong thing.

But if Italy is in an impossible position, the obligation facing the United States is very clear: To arrest the crisis before the impossible becomes necessary.

This means that our political leaders, the heads of business and private associations, and every one of us need to work together to accomplish two things: Radically expand the capacity of the country’s intensive-care units. And start engaging in extreme forms of social distancing.

Cancel everything. Now.
 
Okay....now that I know that the greater New Orleans area has community
spread.....and I am old....I am going into the "sit and stay" program. Today is Day 3...... I am so thankful for all of you who helped me get ready.....especially the sanitizer and toilet paper locations. Will be here every day....
 
First Death Related To Coronavirus COVID-19 Reported In L.A. County, Cases Grow To 27

“The first death related to the coronavirus, COVID-19, has been reported in Los Angeles County, with six additional positive cases bringing the total number to 27, officials said Wednesday.”

[...]


“Of the additional six cases reported Wednesday, this marks the second “community transmission,” meaning the person contracted coronavirus without traveling outside the state and not being in close contact with a known confirmed case.”

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The medical director shared concerns about the testing process, adding, “The testing issue continues to haunt us. There’s a lot of cases that have yet to be diagnosed.””


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Coronavirus outbreak: Los Angeles County reports 1st COVID-19 death, total cases reach 27 as pandemic spreads


“Health officials said the patient who died was a woman in her 60s who was visiting friends and had extensive travel over the last month, including a "long layover" in South Korea.”

[...]

“Here are the current number of novel coronavirus cases across the Southland:
  • Los Angeles County: 27 confirmed cases
  • Orange County: 5 cases (2 confirmed, 3 presumptive)
  • Riverside County: 6 confirmed cases
  • San Bernardino County: 0 cases
  • San Diego County: 1 presumptive case
  • Ventura County: 1 confirmed case”
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As California retreats from containment, New York sends in the National Guard
 
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A man was pulled out alive after being trapped for 69 hours under the rubble of a collapsed virus quarantine hotel in southeastern China in which at least 20 other people died.

The official Xinhua News Agency said the man was sent to hospital immediately after being rescued late on Tuesday afternoon. Another nine people are missing from the collapse on Saturday.

Coronavirus live updates: WHO declares pandemic as Italy extends lockdown measures
 
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