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LeeAnnB said:
This doesn’t surprise me at all. What does surprise me is the number of Americans who appear to be walking around with undiagnosed Axis II disorders.

Do any of you have friends or relatives who refuse to wear a mask? Thinking it over, do these friends/family seem to have difficult personalities or perhaps low IQ? Since this seems to be an American problem, perhaps our current political division plays a role even more than psychopathology.
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Yes and yes. Which makes it impossible to reason with them, so I do not bother trying any longer. I just steer clear of them.
 
beatrixpotter said:
Yikes, can they really do that? Because if they can and my husband dies we are totally screwed.
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I have been looking around and the best I can piece together (via many different articles) is that existing life insurance policies 'should' pay out - the grey area seems to be if there has been flouting of covid rules/advisements, and unnecessary risks taken.

New applications for life insurance are being handled somewhat differently. Much more scrutiny of health issues, and if travel is on the cards any application may just hang until at least 30 days after travel and covid tests have been taken.

Seems that the insurance sector may struggle a bit themselves as they have so much money invested in financial markets. So there is a little bit of a fear that some insurance companies may go under if the financial markets tank.
 
Tigerlily75 said:
It will be interesting actually to compare Arizona and Victoria, Australia, as we go on, as we have similar populations. According to Google Victoria is 6.359 million and Arizona is 7.279 million.

We in Victoria (actually Melbourne metropolitan area + Mitchell Shire) are two weeks into a six week lockdown and on day 1 of a mask mandate. You can view our restrictions here: Department of Health and Human Services Victoria | Updated restrictions – 11.59pm Wednesday 22 July 2020

and daily updates Department of Health and Human Services Victoria | Coronavirus (COVID-19) daily update

It should be noted that not as much is “closed” as one might think. In both the first and second lockdowns retail and shopping centres (malls) are still open, hairdressers are currently still operating (but not beauty parlors), even the hand car washes are still open to my surprise (my car is desperate for a good clean but I’m not comfortable with someone inside my car (and I’m too lazy to do it myself lol)). Pubs and restaurants are closed (open for take away only), museums, cinemas, theatres, casino etc all closed, sport is shut down. School is remote learning except for VCE/VCAL (last two years of high school) and specialist schools for special needs students are open.

It doesn’t seem weather plays a factor so far, but of course we are in the middle of winter and Arizona in the middle of summer.

State borders are shut except for a few exemptions.
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Did you see this morning that 25% of people currently in Vic ICU severely suffering from the virus are under 50 years old? The youngest being just 30 years old.
 
SouthAussie said:
I have been looking around and the best I can piece together (via many different articles) is that existing life insurance policies 'should' pay out - the grey area seems to be if there has been flouting of covid rules/advisements, and unnecessary risks taken.

New applications for life insurance are being handled somewhat differently. Much more scrutiny of health issues, and if travel is on the cards any application may just hang until at least 30 days after travel and covid tests have been taken.

Seems that the insurance sector may struggle a bit themselves as they have so much money invested in financial markets. So there is a little bit of a fear that some insurance companies may go under if the financial markets tank.
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Well, it's a long standing policy I'm worried about so that's a relief. But it's definitely concerning thinking of insurance companies going under. But really I won't be too surprised with just about anything happening over the next couple of years. I think we're in for a really bumpy ride and this is just the beginning.
 
Tigerlily75 said:
It will be interesting actually to compare Arizona and Victoria, Australia, as we go on, as we have similar populations. According to Google Victoria is 6.359 million and Arizona is 7.279 million.

We in Victoria (actually Melbourne metropolitan area + Mitchell Shire) are two weeks into a six week lockdown and on day 1 of a mask mandate. You can view our restrictions here: Department of Health and Human Services Victoria | Updated restrictions – 11.59pm Wednesday 22 July 2020

and daily updates Department of Health and Human Services Victoria | Coronavirus (COVID-19) daily update

It should be noted that not as much is “closed” as one might think. In both the first and second lockdowns retail and shopping centres (malls) are still open, hairdressers are currently still operating (but not beauty parlors), even the hand car washes are still open to my surprise (my car is desperate for a good clean but I’m not comfortable with someone inside my car (and I’m too lazy to do it myself lol)). Pubs and restaurants are closed (open for take away only), museums, cinemas, theatres, casino etc all closed, sport is shut down. School is remote learning except for VCE/VCAL (last two years of high school) and specialist schools for special needs students are open.

It doesn’t seem weather plays a factor so far, but of course we are in the middle of winter and Arizona in the middle of summer.

State borders are shut except for a few exemptions.
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Victoria is super close to Indiana's population.
 
realanastasia said:
U.S. Northeast, Pummeled in the Spring, Now Stands Out in Virus Control
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Dr. Jha said he was optimistic that Northeastern states could maintain control over the virus’ spread through the summer, reopening gradually while closely monitoring shifts in the data.

“I think they’re watching what’s happening in the South and they’re horrified,” he said.

Gov. Janet Mills of Maine, sounded cautious. She said officials in her state were “exhaling, but safely, with masks.”

“The last few weeks, in particular, have felt good, but we’re not out of the woods,” she said.

The coming months will bring new waves of difficulty as well, as the economic impact of the spring shutdowns ripples outward, unemployment benefits expire and an expected wave of evictions begins.

Of all the difficult decisions that she faced this year, Ms. Mills said, none has been more “gut-wrenching” than her first stay-at-home order.

“Nobody wants to be the governor who puts the kibosh on graduations, weddings, beach parties, bars,” she said. “Nobody wants to be the governor the tourist industry rails against. Nobody wants to be that governor.”
 
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Tigerlily75 said:
It will be interesting actually to compare Arizona and Victoria, Australia, as we go on, as we have similar populations. According to Google Victoria is 6.359 million and Arizona is 7.279 million.

We in Victoria (actually Melbourne metropolitan area + Mitchell Shire) are two weeks into a six week lockdown and on day 1 of a mask mandate. You can view our restrictions here: Department of Health and Human Services Victoria | Updated restrictions – 11.59pm Wednesday 22 July 2020

and daily updates Department of Health and Human Services Victoria | Coronavirus (COVID-19) daily update

It should be noted that not as much is “closed” as one might think. In both the first and second lockdowns retail and shopping centres (malls) are still open, hairdressers are currently still operating (but not beauty parlors), even the hand car washes are still open to my surprise (my car is desperate for a good clean but I’m not comfortable with someone inside my car (and I’m too lazy to do it myself lol)). Pubs and restaurants are closed (open for take away only), museums, cinemas, theatres, casino etc all closed, sport is shut down. School is remote learning except for VCE/VCAL (last two years of high school) and specialist schools for special needs students are open.

It doesn’t seem weather plays a factor so far, but of course we are in the middle of winter and Arizona in the middle of summer.

State borders are shut except for a few exemptions.
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Interesting comparison. My concern, here, is that weather is the main factor in our declining numbers. This time of year sees people either heading someplace cool (usually some kind of family vacation, like camping,) or staying home.

Governor gives his weekly presser tomorrow, where I expect he'll keep things the same. Education will be at the top of his agenda. The district where my wife works has established plans for remote learning, where students can either attend virtual classes, in real time, with a teacher leading the class online, or take pre-recorded video lessons. The latter is to accommodate work schedules, so parents can work with their kids when they are home. Once schools reopen for in-person classes, students have the option of continuing remote education.

Bar and gym closures are set to expire on Monday, and I wouldn't be surprised if he makes some adjustments, like letting gyms reopen with strict capacity limits, and addressing the issue of "restaurants" that were forced to close due to the type of liquor license they hold.

Apparently many long established restaurants hold what are known as "bar licenses." They operate as restaurants, but keep the "bar license" because they are finite in number and increase in value. The problem is the closure order is based on license type, so some places that make the majority of their revenue on food are still forced to close.
 
JerseyGirl said:
Dr. Jha said he was optimistic that Northeastern states could maintain control over the virus’s spread through the summer, reopening gradually while closely monitoring shifts in the data.

“I think they’re watching what’s happening in the South and they’re horrified,” he said.
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BBM - And they should be. I'm living here in it and just had a scare of my own (came back negative). But I'm horrified. And scared. Been working from home all week and I'm not looking forward to going back "out there." :(
 
Sonora Quest Laboratories shows that it has about 62,000 backlogged tests.

The backlog came because it took a while to amp up past 1500 tests per day (and they are still not managing incoming tests in a timely fashion - it's thought that the backlog may now be over 70,000 or even 80,000).


Nursing homes waiting up to two weeks for results.

Backlog started about a month ago.

Arizona has tested about 10% of its population, but a huge number are waiting too long for tests. In theory all those people should be quarantined, but what I'm reading on local newspaper comments and other SM says there's great concern that this isn't happening as expected. People are having a hard time getting proper diagnosis and care, which is the main point.
 
check out the picture - there's a video at link as well

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COVID-19: Party held on Vancouver beach despite social distancing pleas from health officials | Vancouver Sun
 
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Delaware governor ‘mad as hell’ his state is on New Jersey’s coronavirus quarantine list

“I’m mad as hell, frankly, and it doesn’t make any sense,” Carney said during a news conference. “It makes no sense. We’re better today than when we were first put on the list two weeks ago. And we’re better today than we were last week, when we were taken off the list.”

New Jersey, New York, and Connecticut announced last month that they’re calling on travelers arriving from states that qualify as COVID-19 hotspots to self-quarantine for 14 days to help reduce the virus from spreading — including residents returning from a trip.

The number of states increased Tuesday to 31.
 
Dr. Deborah Birx warned state and local leaders in a private phone call today that 11 major cities are seeing increases in the percentage of tests coming back positive for COVID-19 and should take “aggressive” steps to mitigate their outbreaks.

The cities she identified were Baltimore, Cleveland, Columbus, Indianapolis, Las Vegas, Miami, Minneapolis, Nashville, New Orleans, Pittsburgh and St. Louis.

Birx said local officials should trace the contacts of patients testing positive for the virus in areas where test positivity is rising. She said there have been encouraging declines in test positivity in Phoenix and San Antonio, but warned that the outbreak was moving north, and to parts of the country like Tennessee, Arkansas and Missouri.

White House says Nashville needs 'aggressive' COVID-19 response
 
Minnesota mask mandate!
Minnesota governor issues mandate requiring masks to be worn inside businesses, public indoor spaces

An individual who violates the mask mandate can be punished with a petty misdemeanor and fine of $100. A business owner who violates the mandate can be found guilty of a misdemeanor with a $1,000 fine or 90 days in jail.

"I want (law enforcement) handing out masks, not tickets," Walz said. "We don’t want to escalate these. We don't want someone to accidentally get famous on the internet because they're throwing a tantrum in Trader Joe's."

Minnesota's store owners will be required to hang signs and ask non-compliant customers to put on a mask, but the order will not force them to deny service to a non-compliant customer, said Economic Development Commissioner Steve Grove.

“We don't want physical altercations. We want a thoughtful conversation," Grove said.

The order also allows cities to impose their own requirements that are tougher than the state mandate.
 
LeeAnnB said:
This doesn’t surprise me at all. What does surprise me is the number of Americans who appear to be walking around with undiagnosed Axis II disorders.

Do any of you have friends or relatives who refuse to wear a mask? Thinking it over, do these friends/family seem to have difficult personalities or perhaps low IQ? <modsnip: removed political comment>
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This is a whole rabbit hole I’ve been down for ... at least six or seven years now. Facebook made me uneasy from the very beginning, then it seemed to become a weaponized misinformation flood. But more to the point, there was a huge audience for that misinformation. Which lead me to start wondering, more and more over the years as we see people’s “true colors” come out online ... did experts vastly underestimate how many people in the population are lacking the most basic level of empathy?

And if so, how screwed are we?

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