Still Missing CT - Jennifer Dulos, 50, New Canaan, 24 May 2019 *ARRESTS* #60

[LosAngeles]

My sense always was that Jennifer’s father had an idea about the type of man she married.
Iirc all the money Fotis borrowed had to be done face to face with Hillard Farber in NY. Fotis in effect “ reported “ to Jennifer’s father. Jennifer was never the go between for the money and the paperwork was executed and terms spelled out etc between FD /Fire Group and Hillard.
When Hillard Farber died in early January
2017 Fotis I think felt a certain freedom. There was no one left to oversee him and he stopped paying the loans. It would have been that spring in FLA when Fotis became more brazen about his affair with MT.
So I have no idea of course but I think FD got more and more brazen without oversight.
And then when JFD moved out and asked for a divorce things really started to go haywire with Fotis. He needed the Farber money.
He was certainly not going to be outsmarted by a woman. So feeling backed into a corner he hatched his plan.
I am of the opinion that if Hillard were still alive this would have played out much differently.
Just my thoughts

If my memory serves me right..."afitzy" (aka "amazing afitzy") posted this at the beginning of all of our websleuthing journey together. Maybe the summer of 2019?

"According to the Brown classmate, “It was big and grand and it was old New York and that’s the way Hill [Jennifer’s late father] was. [He] had a big, generous personality and the wedding reflected that.”

"According to the family source, Jennifer’s “family didn’t really know what to make of Fotis.”
NEWS AND NOTES - Brown Class of 2002

 

[glassheater]

My sense always was that Jennifer’s father had an idea about the type of man she married.
Iirc all the money Fotis borrowed had to be done face to face with Hillard Farber in NY. Fotis in effect “ reported “ to Jennifer’s father. Jennifer was never the go between for the money and the paperwork was executed and terms spelled out etc between FD /Fire Group and Hillard.
When Hillard Farber died in early January
2017 Fotis I think felt a certain freedom. There was no one left to oversee him and he stopped paying the loans. It would have been that spring in FLA when Fotis became more brazen about his affair with MT.
So I have no idea of course but I think FD got more and more brazen without oversight.
And then when JFD moved out and asked for a divorce things really started to go haywire with Fotis. He needed the Farber money.
He was certainly not going to be outsmarted by a woman. So feeling backed into a corner he hatched his plan.
I am of the opinion that if Hillard were still alive this would have played out much differently.
Just my thoughts

Makes sense. Definitely a victim of his hubris. Not sure what he thought would happen once the affair he didn’t take many pains to hide came out. That everyone would be ok with it and continue to fund his properties and excessive lifestyle with his mistress?

I think potential drug use would have been discovered by now but he sure acted like some people I know whose drug use got heavy and they just stopped caring. Stopped caring about their families, businesses, hiding affairs, and were spending/ living like there’s no tomorrow. But in his case, I supposed he got tired of pretending.

 

[afitzy]

Yes, I remember those interviews with FD's sister and the local media response. She was pretty good at feeding the press her narrative.

Yes, I very much got the feeling that the family could not come to terms with who their brother was and what he had done to JF. The Rena statements in english made after FD death in NY were scathing of the US system and the attorney Norm Pattis fed on Rena's great anger for weeks in the US Press and vowed that the Family wanted to continue the investigation and find the real killer of JF (this never happened but Pattis talked about it endlessly).

I do wonder if FD being only son in a traditional family played into any of the issues with the family not being willing to accept the law enforcement information? Rena was clearly grieving the loss of her brother but when she spoke of him it was as if she were speaking about someone totally different from who law enforcement was describing and from JF described in two years of Family Court about FD behaviour towards her and the children. Rena's pain was real and it was sad to read her comments during that time. MOO

 

[glassheater]

I do wonder if FD being only son in a traditional family played into any of the issues with the family not being willing to accept the law enforcement information?

Though this is changing with the newer generations, it was extremely common in Greek culture to elevate the son(s). I have seen this play out where parents and sister(s) elevate the son to an almost God-like status. He can do no wrong. He is perfect and no woman can ever be good enough for him. I've seen family members rationalize bad actions and often the wife is to blame. They were also so far away which made it much easier for him to manipulate and only share his side of the story as they were not around to see the true day-to-day dynamics. I can see why it would be hard for them to accept their well-educated, charming, seemingly successful, well-spoken, generous son who is a father of 5 as a murderer. ETA: Especially if he had been feeding them lies about JFD for years.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I'm speculating, but I think his US citizenship was granted via 1st marriage (not employment). Ernst and Young does not find you a sponsor. They may help you with paperwork, but they are not in the business of actually finding you a person to sponsor you.

Big NYC employers, then and now, get visas for non-US citizen hires. Many are grads from US universities. Fairly common. Many then get on green card path to citizenship or get married.

 

[afitzy]

If my memory serves me right..."afitzy" (aka "amazing afitzy") posted this at the beginning of all of our websleuthing journey together. Maybe the summer of 2019?

"According to the Brown classmate, “It was big and grand and it was old New York and that’s the way Hill [Jennifer’s late father] was. [He] had a big, generous personality and the wedding reflected that.”

"According to the family source, Jennifer’s “family didn’t really know what to make of Fotis.”
NEWS AND NOTES - Brown Class of 2002

Haha! I do recall posting that ages and ages ago. We have been at this a good long while haven't we my friend!

Brown is a small place and I do find it curious that nobody from that time ever stood up to talk about FD at any point so far as I know.

It seems that FD good friend from that period whose last name was Marsiello iirc really might have been the only person from that period of college who remained a friend. But this is just speculation. I do hope LE looked into the Marsiello connection and loans etc. as there seemed to be alot of money going back and forth and my recollection was that Marsiello went through a contentious divorce around the same times as Dulos v. Dulos was happening.

My recollection is that the FD personal situation really did change once JF father became ill and later passed away as he no longer had anyone looking over his shoulder at FORE. I think the traveling to FL stepped up, drug use might have amped up too and FD took trips without JF more often than not too (Civil Court testimony put these trips on the timeline with FD and MT as early as 2015). Could also be that the Dulos marriage hit the rocks around the same time that JF father passed away? IDK, just speculation.

Just a question as I'm curious what people think. I do wonder why FT just didn't keep MT hidden in the 123 Hunter property in West Hartford and keep the marriage with JF going? Or, perhaps this wasn't even relevant because the Dulos marriage most likely had been on the rocks for awhile in advance of MT affair by all accounts and JF pulled the plug on the marriage and left with the children? I still don't know. We heard LA say on the stand that JF found out about the MT affair in 2017 iirc but I think that was the case in part because MT came to Farmington with her daughter and was supposedly humiliating JF with the local crowd which was obviously upsetting to her. IDK.

I did a bit of a stroll on social media yesterday and was literally stopped in my tracks by the Troconis Crew on their "facts Insta" claiming that FD asked JF for the separation/divorce and as "proof" for this they illegally imo posted documents from the sealed FC documents of FD motion. The Troconis Crew DID not post the JF motion which I believe was substantiated by the LA testimony in this criminal case (as well as the Civil Case and in FC - so on the record testimony to refute the FD divorce timing claims exist in 3 CT Courts I believe) against MT. I guess my question is to anyone that cares to answer because I cannot figure it out: How does it benefit MT for the Troconis Crew to post on social media that FD sought to divorce JF when the timeline and facts of the Family Court timeline DO NOT SUPPORT THAT STATEMENT? Shorter version of question: Why would the Troconis Crew choose to lie about the facts and timing of the Dulos separation/divorce and WHY NOW?

Colour me quite confused.

That statement about who asked for the divorce was in addition to a classic video by TP stating that the, "Troconis Family was told by FD in 2016 iirc that he was involved with an amicable divorce". This was another head scratcher for me as while we know FD was not a well known truth teller (ditto for MT who imo would choose the lie when truth is in her best interest always), this particular lie repeated by the "Baghdad Bob" of this tragedy was interesting as it seemed to that FD was talking about the 'amicable divorce with JF in advance of JF finding out about the affair and asking for divorce".

But, my bigger question is why would the Troconic Crew at this late date want to rewrite history to make it seem that their belief was that FD expected to sail through the divorce and custody process with JF and that the Troconis Crew would next be planning the BIG WHITE WEDDING for their dear daughter MT?

Its always interesting to see people try to rewrite history but I admit to being absolutely baffled by this narrative based on repeating lies of FD told years ago (really no different from repeating the lies of the infamous Dr Herman report that MT and all the Troconis Crew seem to believe is true - its not btw!).

Is this silly PR social media campaign being undertaken by the Troconis Crew because somehow it makes what MT did in terms of having affair with married father of 5 who wasn't even separated at the time it started, somehow less despicable? It also baffles me even more as imo MT doesn't recognise shame as a deterrent for any behaviour and I don't think her family really do either? Why do what they are doing on social media?

I am quite a simple minded person and simply do not understand these PR related machinations from the Troconis Crew. If anyone can school me on what all is going on this this revisionist history being put out on social media I would appreciate it greatly as I simply don't get it. Thank you in advance!

MOO

 

[afitzy]

Though this is changing with the newer generations, it was extremely common in Greek culture to elevate the son(s). I have seen this play out where parents and sister(s) elevate the son to an almost God-like status. He can do no wrong. He is perfect and no woman can ever be good enough for him. I've seen family members rationalize bad actions and often the wife is to blame. They were also so far away which made it much easier for him to manipulate and only share his side of the story as they were not around to see the true day-to-day dynamics. I can see why it would be hard for them to accept their well-educated, charming, seemingly successful, well-spoken, generous son who is a father of 5 as a murderer. ETA: Especially if he had been feeding them lies about JFD for years.

Brava! Can't disagree with any of this as it makes total sense in the context of a traditional male dominated culture. Its also interesting to me as FD sister, Rena is an accomplished architect with a wonderful education and impressive career and it just surprised me to not see her able or willing to look at the overall picture and the facts of the case. But, I also think FD spread the $$$ around with his family as well and this didn't hurt their view of the situation as well possibly too!
MOO

 

[afitzy]

If my memory serves me right..."afitzy" (aka "amazing afitzy") posted this at the beginning of all of our websleuthing journey together. Maybe the summer of 2019?

"According to the Brown classmate, “It was big and grand and it was old New York and that’s the way Hill [Jennifer’s late father] was. [He] had a big, generous personality and the wedding reflected that.”

"According to the family source, Jennifer’s “family didn’t really know what to make of Fotis.”
NEWS AND NOTES - Brown Class of 2002

Just wanted to respond to this again as I was thinking about the above post that explained so well the issues of traditional male dominated culture in Greece and how FD could have been elevated to "God like status" etc. within his family.

I wonder if the cultural aspects relating to FD childhood in Greece as only son were very real in the relationship? And I also very much wonder if JF really had no understanding as to how that might impact her marriage? Or, did JF totally discount the traditional upbringing of FD?

If you wrap up what we all know about FD in terms of how he acted and behaved with the cultural aspects of his traditional Greek childhood which JF might not have fully appreciated, it seems like it could be possible that JF married someone completely different from who she thought she was marrying? Narcs are tricky characters to sus out too sometimes imo and by all accounts FD was a SMOOTH OPERATOR!

The other thing I don't think can be discounted with FD either is that he no doubt was 'love bombing' JF so she might not have been able to tell 'up from down' in the early days and he probably tried (don't think GF bought what he was selling for a second but this is just my speculation) to do the same with JF family too and so held himself out to be someone very different than he really was.

MOO

 

[citygirl]

Haha! I do recall posting that ages and ages ago. We have been at this a good long while haven't we my friend!

Brown is a small place and I do find it curious that nobody from that time ever stood up to talk about FD at any point so far as I know.

It seems that FD good friend from that period whose last name was Marsiello iirc really might have been the only person from that period of college who remained a friend. But this is just speculation. I do hope LE looked into the Marsiello connection and loans etc. as there seemed to be alot of money going back and forth and my recollection was that Marsiello went through a contentious divorce around the same times as Dulos v. Dulos was happening.

My recollection is that the FD personal situation really did change once JF father became ill and later passed away as he no longer had anyone looking over his shoulder at FORE. I think the traveling to FL stepped up, drug use might have amped up too and FD took trips without JF more often than not too (Civil Court testimony put these trips on the timeline with FD and MT as early as 2015). Could also be that the Dulos marriage hit the rocks around the same time that JF father passed away? IDK, just speculation.

Just a question as I'm curious what people think. I do wonder why FT just didn't keep MT hidden in the 123 Hunter property in West Hartford and keep the marriage with JF going? Or, perhaps this wasn't even relevant because the Dulos marriage most likely had been on the rocks for awhile in advance of MT affair by all accounts and JF pulled the plug on the marriage and left with the children? I still don't know. We heard LA say on the stand that JF found out about the MT affair in 2017 iirc but I think that was the case in part because MT came to Farmington with her daughter and was supposedly humiliating JF with the local crowd which was obviously upsetting to her. IDK.

I did a bit of a stroll on social media yesterday and was literally stopped in my tracks by the Troconis Crew on their "facts Insta" claiming that FD asked JF for the separation/divorce and as "proof" for this they illegally imo posted documents from the sealed FC documents of FD motion. The Troconis Crew DID not post the JF motion which I believe was substantiated by the LA testimony in this criminal case (as well as the Civil Case and in FC - so on the record testimony to refute the FD divorce timing claims exist in 3 CT Courts I believe) against MT. I guess my question is to anyone that cares to answer because I cannot figure it out: How does it benefit MT for the Troconis Crew to post on social media that FD sought to divorce JF when the timeline and facts of the Family Court timeline DO NOT SUPPORT THAT STATEMENT? Shorter version of question: Why would the Troconis Crew choose to lie about the facts and timing of the Dulos separation/divorce and WHY NOW?

Colour me quite confused.

That statement about who asked for the divorce was in addition to a classic video by TP stating that the, "Troconis Family was told by FD in 2016 iirc that he was involved with an amicable divorce". This was another head scratcher for me as while we know FD was not a well known truth teller (ditto for MT who imo would choose the lie when truth is in her best interest always), this particular lie repeated by the "Baghdad Bob" of this tragedy was interesting as it seemed to that FD was talking about the 'amicable divorce with JF in advance of JF finding out about the affair and asking for divorce".

But, my bigger question is why would the Troconic Crew at this late date want to rewrite history to make it seem that their belief was that FD expected to sail through the divorce and custody process with JF and that the Troconis Crew would next be planning the BIG WHITE WEDDING for their dear daughter MT?

Its always interesting to see people try to rewrite history but I admit to being absolutely baffled by this narrative based on repeating lies of FD told years ago (really no different from repeating the lies of the infamous Dr Herman report that MT and all the Troconis Crew seem to believe is true - its not btw!).

Is this silly PR social media campaign being undertaken by the Troconis Crew because somehow it makes what MT did in terms of having affair with married father of 5 who wasn't even separated at the time it started, somehow less despicable? It also baffles me even more as imo MT doesn't recognise shame as a deterrent for any behaviour and I don't think her family really do either? Why do what they are doing on social media?

I am quite a simple minded person and simply do not understand these PR related machinations from the Troconis Crew. If anyone can school me on what all is going on this this revisionist history being put out on social media I would appreciate it greatly as I simply don't get it. Thank you in advance!

MOO

You are far from simple minded.
Desperate moves by people living in an alternate universe? IDK.
JMO.

 

[citygirl]

Just wanted to respond to this again as I was thinking about the above post that explained so well the issues of traditional male dominated culture in Greece and how FD could have been elevated to "God like status" etc. within his family.

I wonder if the cultural aspects relating to FD childhood in Greece as only son were very real in the relationship? And I also very much wonder if JF really had no understanding as to how that might impact her marriage? Or, did JF totally discount the traditional upbringing of FD?

If you wrap up what we all know about FD in terms of how he acted and behaved with the cultural aspects of his traditional Greek childhood which JF might not have fully appreciated, it seems like it could be possible that JF married someone completely different from who she thought she was marrying? Narcs are tricky characters to sue out too imo! The other thing I don't think can be discounted with FD either is that he no doubt was 'love bombing' JF so she might not have been able to tell 'up from down' in the early days and he probably tried (don't think GF bought what he was selling for a second but this is just my speculation) to do the same with JF family too and so held himself out to be someone very different than he really was.

MOO

I think over time she got the Greek family dynamics. Didn't they visit several times?

 

[afitzy]

You are far from simple minded.
Desperate moves by people living in an alternate universe? IDK.
JMO.

Haha! In line with your thinking perhaps its just "stupid people doing more stupid xxxx"? IDK, I'm trying to understand what they are saying and why they are saying it and I'm simply not getting it? But, If it was all done to taint the jury pool and their messaging hit one or 2 potential jurors then perhaps their disinformation campaign can be termed a success? Again, IDK.

But I do love the definition of disinformation so I will put it below (Source: Mirriam-Webster):

Definition of DISINFORMATION

false information deliberately and often covertly spread (as by the planting of rumors) in order to influence public opinion or obscure the truth… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

disinformation​

noun​

dis·in·for·ma·tion (ˌ)dis-ˌin-fər-ˈmā-shən

Synonyms of disinformation
: false information deliberately and often covertly spread (as by the planting of rumors) in order to influence public opinion or obscure the truth

 

[Silverstorm]

Haha! I do recall posting that ages and ages ago. We have been at this a good long while haven't we my friend!

Brown is a small place and I do find it curious that nobody from that time ever stood up to talk about FD at any point so far as I know.

It seems that FD good friend from that period whose last name was Marsiello iirc really might have been the only person from that period of college who remained a friend. But this is just speculation. I do hope LE looked into the Marsiello connection and loans etc. as there seemed to be alot of money going back and forth and my recollection was that Marsiello went through a contentious divorce around the same times as Dulos v. Dulos was happening.

My recollection is that the FD personal situation really did change once JF father became ill and later passed away as he no longer had anyone looking over his shoulder at FORE. I think the traveling to FL stepped up, drug use might have amped up too and FD took trips without JF more often than not too (Civil Court testimony put these trips on the timeline with FD and MT as early as 2015). Could also be that the Dulos marriage hit the rocks around the same time that JF father passed away? IDK, just speculation.

Just a question as I'm curious what people think. I do wonder why FT just didn't keep MT hidden in the 123 Hunter property in West Hartford and keep the marriage with JF going? Or, perhaps this wasn't even relevant because the Dulos marriage most likely had been on the rocks for awhile in advance of MT affair by all accounts and JF pulled the plug on the marriage and left with the children? I still don't know. We heard LA say on the stand that JF found out about the MT affair in 2017 iirc but I think that was the case in part because MT came to Farmington with her daughter and was supposedly humiliating JF with the local crowd which was obviously upsetting to her. IDK.

I did a bit of a stroll on social media yesterday and was literally stopped in my tracks by the Troconis Crew on their "facts Insta" claiming that FD asked JF for the separation/divorce and as "proof" for this they illegally imo posted documents from the sealed FC documents of FD motion. The Troconis Crew DID not post the JF motion which I believe was substantiated by the LA testimony in this criminal case (as well as the Civil Case and in FC - so on the record testimony to refute the FD divorce timing claims exist in 3 CT Courts I believe) against MT. I guess my question is to anyone that cares to answer because I cannot figure it out: How does it benefit MT for the Troconis Crew to post on social media that FD sought to divorce JF when the timeline and facts of the Family Court timeline DO NOT SUPPORT THAT STATEMENT? Shorter version of question: Why would the Troconis Crew choose to lie about the facts and timing of the Dulos separation/divorce and WHY NOW?

Colour me quite confused.

That statement about who asked for the divorce was in addition to a classic video by TP stating that the, "Troconis Family was told by FD in 2016 iirc that he was involved with an amicable divorce". This was another head scratcher for me as while we know FD was not a well known truth teller (ditto for MT who imo would choose the lie when truth is in her best interest always), this particular lie repeated by the "Baghdad Bob" of this tragedy was interesting as it seemed to that FD was talking about the 'amicable divorce with JF in advance of JF finding out about the affair and asking for divorce".

But, my bigger question is why would the Troconic Crew at this late date want to rewrite history to make it seem that their belief was that FD expected to sail through the divorce and custody process with JF and that the Troconis Crew would next be planning the BIG WHITE WEDDING for their dear daughter MT?

Its always interesting to see people try to rewrite history but I admit to being absolutely baffled by this narrative based on repeating lies of FD told years ago (really no different from repeating the lies of the infamous Dr Herman report that MT and all the Troconis Crew seem to believe is true - its not btw!).

Is this silly PR social media campaign being undertaken by the Troconis Crew because somehow it makes what MT did in terms of having affair with married father of 5 who wasn't even separated at the time it started, somehow less despicable? It also baffles me even more as imo MT doesn't recognise shame as a deterrent for any behaviour and I don't think her family really do either? Why do what they are doing on social media?

I am quite a simple minded person and simply do not understand these PR related machinations from the Troconis Crew. If anyone can school me on what all is going on this this revisionist history being put out on social media I would appreciate it greatly as I simply don't get it. Thank you in advance!

MOO

Yes I think the whole crew of them think by trying to post a new timeline of when MT and FD got together it will be seen in a better light. Its not working. Everyone can see through that lying piece of trash.

 

[afitzy]

I think over time she got the Greek family dynamics. Didn't they visit several times?

Yes they did visit but it must have been a challenge with small children. I think we learned with the LA testimony that FD went to Greece alone, FD went to Greece with MT multiple times and FD went to Greece with the Dulos children sans JF.

 

[glassheater]

JFD and FD met at Brown but didn't date then. He was one year ahead. They they met again early 2004 and were married by that summer. I don't think there was enough time for various dynamics to truly show themselves.

 

[marcom]

IIRC the house/property you might be thinking about is 123 Hunter Drive, West Hartford, CT I believe this property was renovated by Fore and it was where MT and her daughter lived for a period of time.
Here the link to the real estate listing and you can even see MT cowskin rugs in the lR:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/123-Hunter-Dr_West-Hartford_CT_06107_M43937-66830'

Do you recall this one being searched by LE? I don't recall them spending much time in west hartford.

Thank you. I don’t recall police activity there and even at the time the property was mentioned was perplexed as to why not.

 

[glassheater]

FD went to Greece with MT

Brazen and wild. He is very lucky the affair was not discovered while JFD's father was alive.

 

[citygirl]

JFD and FD met at Brown but didn't date then. He was one year ahead. They they met again early 2004 and were married by that summer. I don't think there was enough time for various dynamics to truly show themselves.

But then it was speculated that he scoped her out in New York and went in for the kill.Oops. Poor choice of words.

 

[Silverstorm]

Nancy Grace put up a picture of Jennifer and Michelle side by side. Then said why don't men ever cheat up? Look at her! He cheated down!

 

[citygirl]

Yes I think the whole crew of them think by trying to post a new timeline of when MT and FD got together it will be seen in a better light. Its not working. Everyone can see through that lying piece of trash.

Not to mention the jury is not to be reading anything now. No MSM, no social media. No nothing.

 

[citygirl]

Nancy Grace put up a picture of Jennifer and Michelle side by side. Then said why don't men ever cheat up? Look at her! He cheated down!

Nancy so grates on my nerves but I love it when she's on my side. And, she has been the ONLY one to call this out. All the other pundits are beyond ill informed.