DCF Shelter Hearings

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  1. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    I think there are people who are in DCF on here?

    I was a teacher and had training every year as a mandated reporter. I am quite sure we were told reports were not kept for that long.

    CHIPS - child in need of protective services. We teachers were so frustrated because we felt that we made reports and nothing happened. They said that the reports are kept and maybe at some point it added up to intervention needed. But I think there was a limit to the time.

    And stuff is not shared from state to state. My last job was working with the homeless. Sometimes when we got too close to the child like requesting services for issues like gaps in education, the person would disappear.

    Children still are seen as possessions. Parents have a lot of rights and not much info can be retained. Unless of course there was criminal prosecution.
     


  2. noel leon

    noel leon Well-Known Member

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    I am thinking the greed apple did not fall far from the tree.
     
  3. No it's not

    No it's not that simple

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    FL DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN & FAMILIES

    'Amends s. 39.202(7), F.S., to require case records be maintained until the youngest alleged victim among the subjects of the record has reached 30 years of age. One distinct exception to this policy involves adoption records, which are to be permanently maintained.'


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    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3g3DEap84xwZlljUkppODVDRm8/view?usp=sharing

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  4. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    Interesting info!! But is that info only for kids in the foster care system? Or is it for all reports of abuse and neglect?
     
  5. No it's not

    No it's not that simple

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    Good point. It is for all children (in and out of the foster care program), whose cases make it into the Central Registry of Alleged Perpetrators. Once in there, it will stay again until the youngest victim completes 30 years of age:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3g3DEap84xwd2t1UjdmTHFkVWM/view?usp=sharing

    Also here:

    https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/how-long-does-ones-name-remain-on-dcf-records--how-1675617.html

    -Nin
     
  6. Oregonmama

    Oregonmama Well-Known Member

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    I have had access to another state's records before. We filed a motion. Took awhile but we were acting on a hunch to fill in a huge gap. In Oregon, most file boxes have been scanned onto cd's. It's amazing what you can find when there is a need to search the archives.
     
  7. Oregonmama

    Oregonmama Well-Known Member

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    Yes, records can be kept that long. It might vary from state to state but the key words that one of the DCF's rep from the first hearing stated that it had to be looked further into regarding BS's placement. Not hard to call another state agency if there is an open case locally to gain more info.
     
  8. 1&2&3

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    With my own crazy day yesterday, I didn't make it here! I am now boiling over the change in judges. I assume a lawyer can request this? Was MS angered because the current judge could see straight thru him and did not buy his lies? Is it this simple for an inmate/lawyer to switch judges?

    Does anyone know what this new judge is like?! Grrr, are we back to step one and new judge has to learn what a slimeball MS is?

    Wonder what threat MS gave his Mamma to get her to file that custody request Thursday night? No way on earth does she and her partner want to raise these girls. IMO. Perhaps the partner part will be the deciding factor? I am of modern day belief and have friends who are gay and lesbian, and some with children. Just not sure how a court will see it.

    Hey all, we know what all this custody is about, right? The greed that got Teresa murdered - Money! MS doesn't give a hoot about those girls, who raises them, where they are etc. His only concern is they be in the custody of a person on his side so he can have access to some of that murder money.

    Who would keep his commissary fund supplied? His mom more than likely doesn't have enough money to put hundreds a month into it. His mom is in her 60's, so who will fill it when she is gone? This Me-Me-Me thinking guy may have an idea he will get out in 25-30 years, if not sooner, so mamma has to squeeze money out of the settlement while she has the girls, to save for him.

    Who knows, he could still owe CWW for his participation. Since bruther rolled on him, again who knows what MS might be up to. I would not trust MS if I could stay awake 24/7 every day watching him! Now that he is in jail, he is among prisoners with much more street smarts and inside knowledge on how to get things done. This is bad news for MS will use it to his advantage.

    It struck me as funny, yet sad, that the friend who had the girls can no longer keep them. Guess she wised up to the mess MS put her in and she wanted no part of keeping them from Teresa's mom. Smart lady! These girls are people, they need stability and love, not be passed around as if they are objects!
     
  9. 1&2&3

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    All of this should also raise another question. MS and the children stayed behind at Teresa's mother's house so the girls could visit longer with their grandmother. So this should raise a big question in the judge's mind. How many times before had MS ever stayed longer than TS?
     
  10. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    Two Circuit Judges to Retire in 2016

    In 2016, the 20th Circuit will say goodbye to two longtime Judges in the 20th Judicial Circuit. On March 31, Judge R. Thomas Corbin and Judge Cynthia Pivacek will retire from the Office of Circuit Court Judge.

    http://www.ca.cjis20.org/home/main/articledisplay.asp?Article=tct2015_fall_winter_2.htm&Display=
     
  11. IQuestion

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    Regardless of any "current petitions," PAST HISTORY plays an important part in the placement of children. IMO <modsnip>
    A guardian who has a history of raising progeny who are self sufficient, educated and successful OR, <modsnip> It is a NO BRAINER, in my book....pick the FAMILIAL GUARDIAN who has had the best historical outcome for adult progeny and has the most time available NOW, to provide for the care and psychological well being of the children!!!
    If it were up to me, I would willingly hand my grandchildren over to the grandparent who has had the most success in raising children. I would know that my grandchildren would be well cared for, and that I would still be able to visit them. The bottom line is always, what is best for the minor children....Not is what is best or my ego.
    While we all posses PERFECT LOVE FOR OUR CHILDREN, we do not all POSSESS THE SAME PARENTING SKILLS.
     
  12. DeDee

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    Totally with ya. Teresa's last will and testament should be followed to the letter. Why aren't her brother or the other guardian TS appointed in this fight for the kids? Are they waiting for a guilty verdict? It's a coming. I know MAG wants to be with her granddaughters; the same as I would have to do. She'll go to the trial every day that she is able. I think Teresa's family possesses bright genes. Good. Honest. Hard working. Talented. Common Sense. Love and politeness. MAG lost a daughter and gained two granddaughters. C and J [mod edit] lost a mother and gained a grandmother, at least for the time being. I doubt the caregiver gets changed on the 11th to any other guardian. MAG arrived after Mark was arrested. MAG is in for the long haul through the "murder for hire trial" in FL. I pray for her stamina and stoicism. It is heart aching for us; imagine living it.....

    Stable, high achieving, goal oriented, those who are sturdy individuals. Teresa's family in CT. And MAG dropped it all to make this watershed for J and C [mod edit] as easy as humanly possible as they have been with her since last month. I am so thankful that she is able to do this. I could handle the homeschooling, too. Field trip every Friday. Chik Filet after library time. Music each week. Swim meets twice a week Xs two. This is going to be a while. It will be costly, too, raising Teresa's two pre-teens. I hope when the trial is over that they all 3 move to CT.

    Dr. Purple Truck. Stayed with MS for weeks in February. Electronic equipment. Now, that's an interesting chapter in between commercial breaks. Did MS sell his motorcycle to him after he rode it down Jarvis? All of that merchandise is part of the estate. It's been written that the Sievers' finances were operating in the red. Huh. Doubt it. He had the cash to pay the IRS. With 4.4 Mill in ins payouts, he'd be a multi-millionaire with a lucrative business with a like minded doctor and sell supplements to everyone and chelate them, too. Only the truth is that he lost his wife, his life, his money, his job, his best friend, an another friend, and their families, muddied his two daughters lives...on & on.

    I still can barely believe all of it is true. And most of you guys know more than I do. I know that MS is a dangerous menace to society. TS seems so real to me now. Ditto for fondness of sweet C&J.

    http://www.winknews.com/2016/04/08/...o-gain-temporary-custody-of-sievers-children/

    "The girls were placed with the family friend after Mark Sievers&#8217; arrest. The friend indicated she could not take care of the children long-term, and the girls began staying with Groves after the friend went on vacation in March, officials said in court."


    One cannot profit from committing a crime or can we? Mark should not have access to any funds including, but not limited to, the value of the guns and cash and valuable coins and bills. Insurance; his car which was really her car; his van was confiscated. What was found on it or in it that contain tips for the LEO to keep it? When you pay to hire someone to murder your wife, it is not like getting a divorce and splitting everything 50/50%.

    The portions not linked are simply an opinion of mine, nothing more.
     
  13. AlwaysShocked

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    The woman from Missouri who had been a long time of MS (sorry I can't remember her name) indicated during her interview that there was an extremely contentious relationship between MS and his mother.

    I would imagine any judge would want to look very carefully into the background of anyone applying for custody. I wonder how much close scrutiny BS can tolerate.... Besides, MAG has already been granted custody, which would set a kind of a precedent by the time a judge gets around to considering the Petition by BS.

    I am not at all familiar with what all factors a judge must consider in a case like this. I don't know if they are required to give any weight at all to the desires of an incarcerated parent, whether that parent is convicted or not. Wasn't TS all involved right before her death with a girl who had gotten busted for drugs and had lost custody of her child to DCF? Was a judge asking that girl what SHE wanted done with the child?

    I'd appreciate any input from someone who is familiar with this system and how it works.

    Oh, and I didn't particularly like BS after watching her two interviews. Now? She needs to butt out of this.
     
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    AlwaysShocked Well-Known Member

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    Huh! There's not a snowball's chance in hades that any insurance company is going to pay out one dime of insurance money when they don't have to legally do so. So unless there was a policy that directly named her children as beneficiaries, any payout will be held up until there is a conviction.

    And, no, gaining custody of the children does not automatically mean MAG would gain control of the payouts when they are made. This type of a payout will undoubtedly need to go through a court process. The judge would be the one to decide who is going to have control of the finances. There could be (and likely will be) an order for the proceeds to be placed into a trust with a financial guardian overseeing the investment and disbursement of funds.

    The one thing MAG most likely will get awarded fairly easily and fairly soon is the Social Security survivor benefits the girls are entitled to. That money "goes with" the children because it is supposed to pay for their shelter, food, clothing and other expenses. I am assuming MAG is hiring someone to homeschool the children and these funds can be used to pay for that type of thing also.

    As far a TS's will and what her wishes were for her children, I believe that is out of the picture. MS survived her and he is their parent. So her wishes died with her. Although it sounds as if her mother is honoring what her daughter wanted for her children.
     
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    OMG I haven't seen that for yrs. I always enjoyed it. I'm easily amused.:facepalm: TY
     
  16. DaleTray

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    I saw the GIF and thought of all the irony
     
  17. Cricket99

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    I wonder if all three of TS siblings asked DCF for custody besides Mom, just to cover all their bases. In that case, DCF knows the whole family is going to be there or the girls.
     
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    Seems like a strategy that would confuse and complicate things more than help in reaching the desired goal.

    JMO
     
  19. howonkee

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    Yeah, like she really wanted to get those girls...NOT!

    SMH = Smack My Head? So Much Hogwash? What does it mean?
     
  20. Alice253

    Alice253 Live Every Moment

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    SMH - shaking my head

    Sent from Wonderland
     
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