Deaths of Male College Students-General Discussion #6

[ThePhantom]

Why is it always the guys who wind up in water?? There are just as many intoxicated young women who leave bars and they don't wind up in rivers (though they might encounter other terrible situations i.e. Heather Graham, Morgan Harrington). I don't get it.

 

[JezyUn]

Why is it always the guys who wind up in water?? There are just as many intoxicated young women who leave bars and they don't wind up in rivers (though they might encounter other terrible situations i.e. Heather Graham, Morgan Harrington). I don't get it.

I don't get it either.
Also noted:
They are always males, mostly from Midwestern states, and almost always tall, blonde, and attending college somewhere.

 

[skbsoccermom]

This caught my eye tonight...same song...second verse:

Body of missing Pa. college student Shane Montgomery recovered

Search teams from the Garden State Underwater Recovery Unit pulled Shane Montgomery’s body from the Schuylkill River in Philadelphia around noon Saturday, Fox 29 reported.

~Snip~

Shane, a 21-year-old senior at West Chester, had been out with friends until the early-morning hours of Thanksgiving and never made it home. His mother has said he was escorted out of Kildare's Irish Pub in the city's lively Manayunk neighborhood around 2 a.m.

~Snip~

Fox 29 said the biggest break came two weeks ago when investigators found Shane’s car keys near the river.

~Snip~

Surveillance video showed him heading towards a parking lot along the banks of the icy river.

“This is the last place we know he came,” Philadelphia Detective Capt. James Kelly told the station. “Nobody else followed him. He walked into the parking lot. If he came back here, there’s a lot of different ways he could have gone that wouldn’t have been picked up by a camera.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/01/03/body-missing-pa-college-student-recovered/

I was just coming here to see if anyone posted about Shane Montgommery. I live near where he went missing and have been following the case. I don't understand why he would go to a bar with friends and then leave without them. It also bothers me that the river was searched by the FBI and local law enforcement in the first week he went missing and his body wasn't found, but then was eventually found in an area where they had to have searched... an area of the river close to the bar where he was last seen. So many things about this case are suspicious, and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it since the news broke that he was missing.

 

[skbsoccermom]

I don't get it either.
Also noted:
They are always males, mostly from Midwestern states, and almost always tall, blonde, and attending college somewhere.

Very strange. Shane Montgommery was tall with strawberry blonde hair and was attending college at West Chester University.

 

[TroyinTX]

I have said it before and I'll say it again: I 100% believe something more sinister is responsible for the deaths of many of the college men who end up found in bodies of water. No way that will all the similarities that they are just random, alcohol related instances of them falling into rivers/lakes.

 

[SNELLA1]

I mostly lurk but these cases do bother me. I grew up in La Crosse, WI, right on the Mississippi. As a young (and very foolish) girl in my late teens and early 20's I drunkenly walked home alone to my apartment from downtown bars far too frequently. I stumbled, fell, etc. but never once did I walk in the wrong direction and end up at the river rather than my apartment. It just stretches the boundaries of my reason to think all of these young men just drunkenly walked into the river and drowned.

 

[Danarskistein]

I had a very troubling experience late last night. I was driving on River Parkway in St. Paul and I was within 1-2 blocks of the location that Dan Zamlen vanished from. All of a sudden I saw a young man in the road. He was in the right lane and waving his hands in the air and VERY clearly trying to flag me down. He was tall, slender, had brown hair (from what I could tell it was light-ish brown, but it was dark), and was wearing jeans a pull over sweater that looked like fleece, and no jacket. He wasn't dead center in the middle of my lane, but he was far enough into it that I had to veer into the lane of oncoming traffic to miss hitting him- there were no oncoming cars.

The wave he was doing was both hands over his head, back and forth, if that makes sense. He didn't look panicked or like he was running from anyone. He also easily could have banged on my car as I passed had he been frantic as the speed limit is 25 on that road and because I saw him I had slowed down to about 15 MPH and I passed within a couple feet of him. I also didn't see any other people or a car anywhere nearby that could have belonged to him. A block or two up the road after passing him, I saw another car coming from the opposite direction about a block away and I knew they would see him as well.

I was really, really concerned and wanted to stop, but I was alone. I'm a 33 year old woman and at the moment I passed him the road was completely desolate. I had my own safety to think of and stopping for random men on the side of the road trying to get my attention in the middle of the night on a quiet road just isn't safe. I absolutely would have stopped had he looked panicked, like he was running from someone, or banged on my car or something of the sort. He wasn't stumbling like he was intoxicated or wet like he'd been in/near the river. Even though he didn't have a jacket and it's January in Minnesota, it was warm last night by January standards. It was probably 25-30 degrees at that time and not really windy. Staying outside all night in those temps would be bad, but we were also within 6 or 7 blocks of open gas stations and other businesses and he had enough clothes on that making that walk would be safe.

I immediately thought of these cases and I can't even begin to describe the unsettling, foreboding, and downright creepy feeling I had. The second I passed him, I checked the clock and noted the time as 1:55am. Bar close in Minnesota is 2am. My concern got the better of me, so I doubled back about ten minutes later and was going to call the police depending on what I saw when I got back to where he was, but when I got back to the spot there was a police car on the side of the road in the exact spot. I couldn't tell if the young man was inside, but as I passed the police car pulled out behind me and followed me for a block or two until I turned off the road.

Thankfully, I see nothing on the news this morning in regards to a young man disappearing.

 

[Danarskistein]

Why is it always the guys who wind up in water?? There are just as many intoxicated young women who leave bars and they don't wind up in rivers (though they might encounter other terrible situations i.e. Heather Graham, Morgan Harrington). I don't get it.

This is exactly why I'm completely convinced there is something very sinister happening. It's not as if college students partying and binge drinking is something new, but it's only in the last 10-15 years or so that young college aged men have inexplicably been ending up in rivers (or other bodies of water, but mostly rivers). I'm sure there are cases of it happening before and I haven't seen the numbers on that, so I'm not going to make a comparison that I don't have the data on, but something isn't right.

I certainly don't think EVERY case of a young man ending up in a river is a result of foul play, but there are way too many for me to think that this is purely coincidence or young men making a grave error in judgment after knocking back a few. Way too many of these men have ended up in rivers that were in the complete opposite direction of where they would be headed (home etc.). Not to mention, so many of these have happened when there's at least some ice on the rivers. In the cases on the Mississippi, many times these men would have to go totally out of their way to go down steep embankments to even get to the water. Plus, living in Minnesota, we're all very cognizant of the safety surrounding safety on the ice. No one would DARE step foot on the Mississippi. It's fast flowing and the ice is never safe. It just isn't.

I do think that in general young women stick together more and are less likely to walk home alone. Even so, 10-12 years ago in my early 20's party hey-day's, I walked home alone a few times extremely drunk (I'm a woman). No matter how drunk I was never once would I think "hey I want to go down to the river" or "if I cut across the ice it would be faster". These are intelligent young men and I doubt they'd think that either.

No doubt, if young women were ending up in rivers like this it would be treated differently.

 

[katydid23]

This is exactly why I'm completely convinced there is something very sinister happening. It's not as if college students partying and binge drinking is something new, but it's only in the last 10-15 years or so that young college aged men have inexplicably been ending up in rivers (or other bodies of water, but mostly rivers). I'm sure there are cases of it happening before and I haven't seen the numbers on that, so I'm not going to make a comparison that I don't have the data on, but something isn't right.

I certainly don't think EVERY case of a young man ending up in a river is a result of foul play, but there are way too many for me to think that this is purely coincidence or young men making a grave error in judgment after knocking back a few. Way too many of these men have ended up in rivers that were in the complete opposite direction of where they would be headed (home etc.). Not to mention, so many of these have happened when there's at least some ice on the rivers. In the cases on the Mississippi, many times these men would have to go totally out of their way to go down steep embankments to even get to the water. Plus, living in Minnesota, we're all very cognizant of the safety surrounding safety on the ice. No one would DARE step foot on the Mississippi. It's fast flowing and the ice is never safe. It just isn't.

I do think that in general young women stick together more and are less likely to walk home alone. Even so, 10-12 years ago in my early 20's party hey-day's, I walked home alone a few times extremely drunk (I'm a woman). No matter how drunk I was never once would I think "hey I want to go down to the river" or "if I cut across the ice it would be faster". These are intelligent young men and I doubt they'd think that either.

No doubt, if young women were ending up in rivers like this it would be treated differently.

But there is one major difference between drunk males and drunk females: Drunk females are never tempted to take a wee into the river or lake.

I think that is one of the things that lures males to the water's edge.

 

[Danarskistein]

But there is one major difference between drunk males and drunk females: Drunk females are never tempted to take a wee into the river or lake.

I think that is one of the things that lures males to the water's edge.

That is very true, but so many of these happen in the middle of the night. I don't see young men (even drunk) going to the water to take a wee. At least not in many of the areas that I've seen, especially when they have to go down an embankment to get there. Late at night with no one around most guys will duck behind a tree from what I've seen.

 

[TroyinTX]

I don't think very many of these cases are the result of a guy trying to get down the the embankment to take a pee. Most will duck behind a tree, etc.

And that still does not explain the eery coincidences in terms of the characteristics of the victims, circumstances, and location.

I agree---something very sinister is at play in many of these cases.

 

[Lucysherwood]

There several possibilities. I must look even at the most stupidest and insincere options that are presented.

1 : college students with high gpa's are really getting that drunk and tossing themselves in for a swim.
2. They really have to pee and fall in, or a strong wave comes in and sweeps them away.
3. suicide, college is tough stuff
4. the bar establishment's are selling piss poor grade high in alcohol volume stuff.
5. a techy with a tranny .
6. revenge of the nerds.
7.femist female for female getting pissed cause the hot guys are getting all the good chicks
8. truckers
9. a priest group preforming the little black king alchemy ritual
10.satanic cult
11. religious nut jobs(crosses and religious items are removed..who want them to repent for their ways)
12. A super Dom who is trying to find the prefect submissive. He trains his submissive keeps the ones he wants. The one that pleases him. He kills the others. he takes their religious items to show he is in power. He longs for the prefect mate )he trains his submissive's to help him bring more guys in.
13. a lone female demonic priestess.
14. the things that go bump in the night
15. vampires
16. gang related
12 is my own theory. Most of these theory's are all over the internet . I have read t:thinking many different things. I cant remember where I got some of it from . 13 came from a friend . 14 is just a silly post.


16... some one from inside these schools working for a secret organization.

17. sex slave trade.

18. a group of silent killers.

 

[Lucysherwood]

I do believe the smiley faces are just a mocking gesture. as if to say because you believe it shall be done type of thing. also it might of started out with onekiller. Then a other killer idolizing the first one picked it up to draw in the older killers attention.

 

[Lucysherwood]

The smiley faces were not located at most of the areas. it was only eleven out of a certain number to began with. Also I have read were the symbol for a female gay pride group was located a round some of the area 's . The problem with this case is there over seventeen possibilities. A lot of online articles to . I have followed this case on and off. I remember key facts.

 

[Lucysherwood]

Has anyone seem the article at true crime magazine on it . it has a lot of info.
www.crimemagazine.com/case_-drowning men

 

[Dotsandloops77]

Yeah. That guy has a website that's pretty good I recall.

 

[Dotsandloops77]

Haven't been here for some time, but has anyone seen this one yet? "Dwyer was in Wisconsin Dells with friends Saturday afternoon to celebrate several birthdays, but did not return home, according to the release. He was last seen in the downtown area of Wisconsin Dells." http://www.channel3000.com/news/Body-of-missing-23-year-old-found-in-Wisconsin-River/30993438

 

[TroyinTX]

Haven't been here for some time, but has anyone seen this one yet? "Dwyer was in Wisconsin Dells with friends Saturday afternoon to celebrate several birthdays, but did not return home, according to the release. He was last seen in the downtown area of Wisconsin Dells." http://www.channel3000.com/news/Body-of-missing-23-year-old-found-in-Wisconsin-River/30993438

What caught my attention is that he is from LaCrosse, which plays very heavily into these deaths. Creepy and yet another coincidence.

 

[TroyinTX]

Haven't been here for some time, but has anyone seen this one yet? "Dwyer was in Wisconsin Dells with friends Saturday afternoon to celebrate several birthdays, but did not return home, according to the release. He was last seen in the downtown area of Wisconsin Dells." http://www.channel3000.com/news/Body-of-missing-23-year-old-found-in-Wisconsin-River/30993438

What caught my attention is that he is from LaCrosse, which plays very heavily into these deaths. Creepy and yet another coincidence.

 

[mapleleaf52]

another potential case, Ken Gruno of southeast Michigan, went missing a week or so ago after walking out of a bar:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Age-27-Otisville-27-Dec-2014&highlight=Gruno

Yes, another young male college student. Still missing. Leaving his coat and debit card behind - in the bar. Video surveillance shows him walking away- alone. The face book page set up to help find him is riddled with speculation. Everything from him wanting a divorce before he disappeared to a possible smiley face killer connection.