Deaths of Male College Students-General Discussion #6

Discussion in 'Deaths of Male College Students/The River Killers' started by christine2448, Jun 27, 2009.

  1. Eleanor Rigby

    Eleanor Rigby Well-Known Member

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    It would appear he has been found, as all "Missing" posts asking for help have been removed. I certainly hope that is the case.

    Andrew was last seen driving his car, which is unlike the "drowning men" cases where the victims were last seen leaving a bar or party venue on foot after drinking.

    I believe this new case has circumstances more closely fitting the "drowning men" / "river killers" victim profile and circumstances. MOO.
    FL - FL- Matthew Robineau, 21, Melbourne, 10 Feb 2019
     
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  2. Kip

    Kip Active Member

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    Yes, I'm glad the Gary, Indiana, detective is reopening the case. However, as the crime was initiated in Chicago, I don't foresee him making much progress. The FBI really needs to get involved in these cases.

    I wonder if any of the other cities will reopen investigations after reviewing the evidence. After these episodes aired, I imagine there must have been at least a bit of public pressure to do so.

    It is interesting that the victims are pretty much all college students. If young men were universally getting drunk and falling into water, you'd expect more variation in the backgrounds of the victims.
     
  3. Eleanor Rigby

    Eleanor Rigby Well-Known Member

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    Matthew Robineau, whom I mentioned in a post here yesterday, was found today--deceased in the Indian River. Apparently, after a night out with friends in downtown Melbourne, FL, he walked over a causeway to the river. I'll be very interested to see the cause and manner of death, if they are made public. (Link at end of post.)

    Reachingfornettles: After reading the article on Matthew, I immediately thought of the incident you related in your post on the previous page of this thread:
    "JMO in my own experience being drugged, I was at a bar by the river and ended up only remembering bits and pieces of the night. I remember being at a dock crying for no reason, walking back to the bar...that was it. I ended up getting the recording from that night from the bar owner and I had one drink."

    First, let me say how glad I am that you did not go off that dock and into the river! Thank you for sharing your story.

    Second, your terrifying experience seems to have similarities to quite a few of the deaths of the "Drowning Men," IMO. Many of the victims inexplicably walked away from a bar and headed off into the night in a direction that made no sense to the people they were with, nor to the family and friends who knew them well. It's really strange that so many victims headed to a body of water! Do you happen to remember if you were on your phone when you walked to the dock on the river? Your experience, and the case of Zach Marr for one, remind me of the few details known about Matthew's case. I wish there was some way for survivors, such as you, to be able to recall what compelled them to go to a river or other body of water. Anyone have any idea what drug causes that reaction?

    I've thought for a while that there may be more than one thing going on that might account for the number of victims recovered from water. Some, like the cases being investigated on the Oxygen series, are pretty clearly victims of homocides, who were deceased before being placed in water. Others, in which the victims did actually die from drowning, are much more mysterious and hard to explain, which likely accounts for them being classified as suicides or accidents. Entering the water while under the influence of a drug that one did not knowingly or willingly ingest, and also possibly under the control of another individual, is NOT an accident NOR a suicide. It's murder! All JMO.

    Police: Missing Brevard County Man Found Dead in Indian River
     
  4. IHAVENOCLUE

    IHAVENOCLUE Well-Known Member

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    I have been intrigued with these "so called" "Smiley Face Killers" cases for years...

    though... And as others have pointed out... I don't think the graffiti is really a marker anymore...

    The mystery of a certain demographics of young, adult, fairly successful males ending up deceased in bodies of water is just TOO coincidental to remain not investigated...

    I read through parts of this great "collection" of cases...
    And the connected comments and questions...

    A question I had NOT thought of before...
    Which I also believe to be quite compelling...
    Is that these cases seemed not to exist...
    Or at least in such great numbers...
    Prior to a certain year(s)...(was it 1996?)...

    Good work Sleuthers!
     
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    IHAVENOCLUE Well-Known Member

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    I wish to commend these investigators who are dedicating so much effort to uncover the truth behind this mysterious "epidemic"....
    Especially as they are confronted with resistance at so very many organizational... (Governmental?)... Levels!
     
  6. Kip

    Kip Active Member

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    In this latest episode about the death of Thomas Booth, it definitely appears to be a case of murder and not an accident. But the smiley-face link seems tenuous as the group of "friends" he hung out with apparently had a motive for killing him. As far as I know, this is different from the other suspected smiley-face cases. Also, the smiley face they said was painted on the back of the bar seemed pretty abstract - I had trouble recognizing it as a smiley face.
     
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  7. Reachingfornettles

    Reachingfornettles Well-Known Member

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    Thank you....me too! (It caused years of problems for me because of who did it and how I got home?,!?) I remember when I became aware again (only for a moment) that I was honestly freaked out that I was on the dock. There is minimal lighting , not to mention extremely old docks and I'm night blind, it scared me because I was alone and crying and didn't know why...so headed back in the bar...I can only figure that my body and brain were subconsciously aware that something wasn't right...was I sad? No was I angry? ...not that I can reason. I was raised on Lake Erie and on a swampy canal. I love water it's calming. I love the night air, by the water tho not at the bar that I was at ...it stinks due to Edison and Ford plants on the river. So was my body trying to calm itself by doing what I love? I'm an introvert so I would run away from the crowd, but i was scared so I ran back.
    Like in the case with Nick Wilson, he was in a fight and was kicked out of the bar his girlfriend worked at on New Years Eve. I don't think he was a fighter by looking at him. I think the perp would be able to instigate something very easily to create chaos for the Victim. Normal feelings aren't normal and reason ability out the window as with me. Still bothers me I can't recall but I watched myself in the video saying " I don't know that person and I don't dance like that!" So what does this GHB drug do exactly.... GHB Drug: Effects, Hazards & Methods of Abuse - Drugs.com
     
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