I have not posted in quite a while. I just "popped in" so to speak to see what's being discussed. I'd like to leave a few comments.
First, as to Nom's initial post, yes, there must have been a plan to dispose of the body. It comes down to this - they (if it was a joint venture) can stage a "kidnapping gone bad" which no one (other than IDIs believe) and is completely unconvincing or they can stage a "kidnapping gone right" which means the body is disposed of before they call the police. It's quite simple, there was a plan to dump the body because the RN and the kidnapping it is meant to help stage isn't convincing with the body in the basement.
If it was a "kidnapping gone bad" e.g. a kidnapping that morphed into a sex crime the body would have been out in plain sight, not hidden in a storage room.
Second, no one in their right mind could possibly think the police were going to do a quick sweep of the house, then leave.
For one thing, no one could reasonably anticipate that dogs would not be brought to the scene. Had the dogs been used the body would have been found within minutes. This is a reasonable thing to anticipate happening. JR had to have considered this. Thus, there could have been no plan to do anything with the body after the 911 call was made.
Then too, as long as the body remains "missing" it's a kidnapping case, under FBI jurisdiction. No one could possibly believe the FBI was going to make a sweep then leave. With the RN making all LE agencies "hinky" there is simply no way the house would not be under surveillance along with the movement of the parents, JR and PR. This to was a reasonable thing to anticipate and JR could not have failed to consider it.
So,
It's absolutely implausible that there was ever any intent to remove the body from the home after the police were called, or that there was ever a plan to claim the kidnappers "returned" the body, after the police were called.
Next, The RN absolutely could NOT have provided the "rationale" for JBR ending up dead because the warnings were not headed. The reason is straightforward, it's called Time Of Death (TOD)
Rigor allows us to place TOD approx 12hrs before she was carried up from the basement. Combined with the police observation of the odor of decomposition we know that she must have died around midnight. W/o the odor of decomp it would be possible to push the TOD closer to 6am, but since the odor was present we know she must have died well before that.
Even if another scenario was originally planned, the fact remains she was murdered around midnight. Fudge the time a couple hours either side of midnight for temperature and environmental conditions, if you like, you still can't make TOD come after 6am. The first violation of the warnings in the RN occurred with the 911 call at 05:52. With TOD at midnight, give or take a couple hours, there is no way she could have been killed after 6am, in retaliation for the Rs not heading the warnings in the RN. To spell it out as clearly as possible, she could not be killed 6 hours prior to the first instance of ignoring the RN's warnings if ignoring the warnings was the "reason" for her being killed.
Therefore there is no way violation of the warnings can serve as the "rationale" for why she was killed. There are only two ways this could work; 1. The kidnappers murdered her at midnight in anticipation that the warnings would not be headed. Clearly silly. 2. The kidnappers had a time machine and once they "monitored" the 911 call being made they jumped in the time machine, went back to midnight, then killed her in retaliation. Please excuse the sarcasm, but there is no reason after 17 years of study that anyone should be thinking that violation of the warnings in the RN provides the "reason" that JBR was killed. We know she died several hours prior to the 911 call, and the police know it too.
Finally, neither JR nor PR (if she was in on the cover up) were under any pressure to make a 911 call at any specific time. The RN provided them with all the "reason" they needed to cancel their travel plans, and all the reason they needed to delay the 911 call until sometime later, maybe the next day, when it finally became obvious that the kidnappers were not going to return JBR, even though the ransom had been "paid". They absolutely were not running out of time to make the 911 call.
First, as to Nom's initial post, yes, there must have been a plan to dispose of the body. It comes down to this - they (if it was a joint venture) can stage a "kidnapping gone bad" which no one (other than IDIs believe) and is completely unconvincing or they can stage a "kidnapping gone right" which means the body is disposed of before they call the police. It's quite simple, there was a plan to dump the body because the RN and the kidnapping it is meant to help stage isn't convincing with the body in the basement.
If it was a "kidnapping gone bad" e.g. a kidnapping that morphed into a sex crime the body would have been out in plain sight, not hidden in a storage room.
Second, no one in their right mind could possibly think the police were going to do a quick sweep of the house, then leave.
For one thing, no one could reasonably anticipate that dogs would not be brought to the scene. Had the dogs been used the body would have been found within minutes. This is a reasonable thing to anticipate happening. JR had to have considered this. Thus, there could have been no plan to do anything with the body after the 911 call was made.
Then too, as long as the body remains "missing" it's a kidnapping case, under FBI jurisdiction. No one could possibly believe the FBI was going to make a sweep then leave. With the RN making all LE agencies "hinky" there is simply no way the house would not be under surveillance along with the movement of the parents, JR and PR. This to was a reasonable thing to anticipate and JR could not have failed to consider it.
So,
It's absolutely implausible that there was ever any intent to remove the body from the home after the police were called, or that there was ever a plan to claim the kidnappers "returned" the body, after the police were called.
Next, The RN absolutely could NOT have provided the "rationale" for JBR ending up dead because the warnings were not headed. The reason is straightforward, it's called Time Of Death (TOD)
Rigor allows us to place TOD approx 12hrs before she was carried up from the basement. Combined with the police observation of the odor of decomposition we know that she must have died around midnight. W/o the odor of decomp it would be possible to push the TOD closer to 6am, but since the odor was present we know she must have died well before that.
Even if another scenario was originally planned, the fact remains she was murdered around midnight. Fudge the time a couple hours either side of midnight for temperature and environmental conditions, if you like, you still can't make TOD come after 6am. The first violation of the warnings in the RN occurred with the 911 call at 05:52. With TOD at midnight, give or take a couple hours, there is no way she could have been killed after 6am, in retaliation for the Rs not heading the warnings in the RN. To spell it out as clearly as possible, she could not be killed 6 hours prior to the first instance of ignoring the RN's warnings if ignoring the warnings was the "reason" for her being killed.
Therefore there is no way violation of the warnings can serve as the "rationale" for why she was killed. There are only two ways this could work; 1. The kidnappers murdered her at midnight in anticipation that the warnings would not be headed. Clearly silly. 2. The kidnappers had a time machine and once they "monitored" the 911 call being made they jumped in the time machine, went back to midnight, then killed her in retaliation. Please excuse the sarcasm, but there is no reason after 17 years of study that anyone should be thinking that violation of the warnings in the RN provides the "reason" that JBR was killed. We know she died several hours prior to the 911 call, and the police know it too.
Finally, neither JR nor PR (if she was in on the cover up) were under any pressure to make a 911 call at any specific time. The RN provided them with all the "reason" they needed to cancel their travel plans, and all the reason they needed to delay the 911 call until sometime later, maybe the next day, when it finally became obvious that the kidnappers were not going to return JBR, even though the ransom had been "paid". They absolutely were not running out of time to make the 911 call.
