Ebola outbreak - general thread #3

[ClaireNC]

I'm sorry to hear that he died. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends, and for the doctors, nurses and other medical professionals that put their own lives at risk to save his.

 

[ClaireNC]

The sadest thing is the world had all these years from 1975 until now to research ebola and to find a cure. they didnt.
because it was seen as a no profit research. as only poor africans got ebola and they wouldnt pay for it.

now they are rushing to find a cure.

i might be the only only one thinking like this
just like i am apparently the only one thinking fencing the affected countries in and letting nature do the rest is not a solution.
but i say it anyway.

I also agree with you ItalianWSfan. Thanks for your post.

 

[SweetT]

The sadest thing is the world had all these years from 1975 until now to research ebola and to find a cure. they didnt.
because it was seen as a no profit research. as only poor africans got ebola and they wouldnt pay for it.

now they are rushing to find a cure.

i might be the only only one thinking like this
just like i am apparently the only one thinking fencing the affected countries in and letting nature do the rest is not a solution.
but i say it anyway.

I think they have researched this for years and have been working on a cure they just don't have one yet.. Just like so many other diseases like cancer etc.. There's more things we don't have cures for than there are things that we do.

 

[trigger]

I am not sure that Ebola will be as pervasive like H1N1 was. The likelihood that any of us will come into contact with someone with Ebola seems very very low. I am not panicking either. And I am the lone survivor of H1N1 Pneumonia in the United States who was diagnosed in October 2009. Of the 15, 14 died. There was no vaccine at that time and healthy people, like me, died. JMV

Gee I hope you are right Zuri. Thankful you made a full recovery. Ebola scares me so, especially for my family. I was scared when Anthrax was around. Scary time then and scary time now.

 

[trigger]

Under normal circumstances, the Dallas Medical Examiner’s office would be in charge of moving Duncan’s body from the hospital. According to the CDC, the virus can be transmitted postmortem through bodily fluids. Therefore, the CDC has issued guidelines to hospitals and mortuaries for how to safely handle the human remains of any person who has contracted Ebola and died from the disease.

The CDC recommends that only those trained to handle infected human remains should come in contact with the body and they should wear personal protective equipment including “surgical scrub suit, surgical cap, impervious gown with full sleeve coverage, eye protection (e.g., face shield, goggles), facemask, shoe covers, and double surgical gloves.”

The body must be wrapped in a plastic shroud at the hospital with all intravenous lines and endotracheal tubes kept in place. The CDC recommends that the body be placed in two leak-proof zippered plastic bags before being moved to the morgue.

Once at the morgue, the body will be placed in an airtight, secure casket and immediately buried or cremated. According to the CDC, the body should not be embalmed or even removed from the double bags at the mortuary. Autopsies are not recommended.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/08/ebola-patients-remains-still-infectious/

 

[LinasK]

its sad he passed away. I thought he was getting better. Now I pray that the other people he infected will be ok.


Health officials have identified 10 people, including seven health workers, who had direct contact with Duncan while he was contagious. Another 38 people also may have come into contact with him. The four people living in the northeast Dallas apartment where Duncan stayed have been isolated in a private residence.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-08-11-21-36

More has come out about Marthalene Williams: She was convulsing and vomiting.
http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-patient-thomas-eric-duncan-dies-at-dallas-hospital-201613535.html

He probably got infected from her vomit, let alone sweat. I'm not aware that you vomit when you have a miscarriage. All of this could've been avoided if he'd just stayed in Liberia.

 

[Sonya610]

How about...putting anyone from an international flight in quarantine for 28 days? I know, probably not a popular solution, but as I see it, the only one, right now.

Not everyone, just those that live in or have traveled to Ebola infected areas during the last 3 weeks.

They already KNOW who has visas from those areas (14,000 visas or so) and they can easily find OUT about other travelers that recently visited those areas (and trust me the vast majority of folks outside of infected countries are NOT going to visit infected areas on vacation and then stop by the U.S. on their world tour).

 

[Paulette]

No news is good news re: the family getting sick. It's been so many days now. I hope that means their odds are getting better with every day. Seems even though incubation is 21 days ( forgive me for sounding naive here ) that the latter part of those 21 days would be LESS dangerous than the earlier part of those 21 days. So , I think we're getting into better shape every day.

I think it's the opposite. The virus could be building up in the system for a full frontal attack. From looking at the cases of transmission in Africa, it would be rare for anyone to escape.

But then again, the case of the mother contracting Ebola and being taken to hospital while her husband watched, she didn't die - but her husband contracted it a day later & died. They left 4 boys that apparently didn't contract it. Go figure. I posted a link to the video at Frontline.org EBOLA, in the 1st thread. Very interesting video.

 

[Redux]

Ebola patient in Dallas rues bringing virus to ‘love of my life’

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-e91da079cb8a_story.html?tid=trending_strip_1

Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan told his fiancee the day he was diagnosed last week that he regrets exposing her to the deadly virus and had he known he was carrying Ebola, he would have “preferred to stay in Liberia and died than bring this to you,” a family friend said.

“He apologized to Louise the day they told him what he had,” said Saymendy Lloyd, a close friend of Louise Troh, the fiancee of Duncan, who is in critical condition and no longer responsive. “He told her, ‘I’m so sorry all of this is happening. . . . I would not put the love of my life in danger.’ ”

 

[effervescent]

More has come out about Marthalene Williams: She was convulsing and vomiting.
http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-patient-thomas-eric-duncan-dies-at-dallas-hospital-201613535.html

He probably got infected from her vomit, let alone sweat. I'm not aware that you vomit when you have a miscarriage. All of this could've been avoided if he'd just stayed in Liberia.

Yes, but he didn't and we need to deal with the now, not the before.
He helped somebody and he died... perhaps some feel it is deserved, based on his lies to get here and try to live through it, but I think that is pretty much beside the point now. For me, it mainly pointed out that we have a lot of work to do and we were not prepared for this. It's not like we couldn't predict it would get here someday, somehow. Our weaknesses are glaringly obvious.

 

[CARIIS]

nce again our media fails to deal with the facts. In this instance, as a result of spelling and typing problems (I have opened all windows – my spell check is smoking!) Lets do this as a fake interview with an expert .


CNN this AM had a (can't find out) piece on the Spanish nurse--in that piece they reported 5 colleagues have been isolated.


The media would be responsible, if after that paragraph , they included this hypothetical interview , with an expert (certainly not me just posting an idea!).


According to Dr Smith, “It is important that the public understand, that thus far there have been no individuals who have contracted the illness that were not living in Africa, and providing direct care to individuals”. Smith continued” ”The public needs to be cognizant of the fact that people make mistakes and nursing personal are not in haz mat equipment 24/7. The likelihood that these colleagues interacted off duty, with one another , without haz mat protection, resulted in their exposure.”


According to Smith, “ the illness is not contagious until symptoms appear, none of the Spanish health care providers, in contact with this individual have , thus far, displayed infection.


“In addition, both the media and government officials have had knee jerk response since the Dallas individual, by quarantining many individuals , that subsequently tested negative. In terms of public perceptions, this overactive isolation, has resulted in the public's beliefs that illness is rampant in America. Thus far that is not the case” he concluded.

not spell checked !:


On antother domain, i understand thye judge is the one that told em they will be arrested bla bla (total bs where are they gonna take -- jail? doubtful! ) but why is he the spokesman (IMO a horrible one- i can never forgive him for the "I would live there " comment repulsive --s$rew you elitist indifferent jerk my opinion ! - although I must admit, taht I felt much releif that fellow posters, after that, found him equally disturbing !)


It did result in sadness when I heard he did not make it ---he is, after all , a human being that suffered intensily before losing, in any context that is a bummer .................

 

[Lyra500]

The sadest thing is the world had all these years from 1975 until now to research ebola and to find a cure. they didnt.
because it was seen as a no profit research. as only poor africans got ebola and they wouldnt pay for it.

now they are rushing to find a cure.

i might be the only only one thinking like this
just like i am apparently the only one thinking fencing the affected countries in and letting nature do the rest is not a solution.
but i say it anyway.

You are not alone in feeling that way, ItalianWSfan.

 

[Sonya610]

Some Ebola experts worry virus may spread more easily than assumed

Yet some scientists who have long studied Ebola say such assurances are premature — and they are concerned about what is not known about the strain now on the loose. It is an Ebola outbreak like none seen before, jumping from the bush to urban areas, giving the virus more opportunities to evolve as it passes through multiple human hosts.

Dr. C.J. Peters, who battled a 1989 outbreak of the virus among research monkeys housed in Virginia and who later led the CDC's most far-reaching study of Ebola's transmissibility in humans, said he would not rule out the possibility that it spreads through the air in tight quarters.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ebola-questions-20141007-story.html#page=1

No kidding. I do believe we know very little about this virus (except that it is NOT transmitted by dogs...lol..the dog part is IMO but I seriously doubt if dogs can become "infected" at all and are likely no more "infectious" than furniture, cars, etc...that have been exposed to the virus).

 

[FlamingoLady]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/08/dhs-orders-agents-to-monitor-travelers-for-ebola/

So, everyone on flights from Ebola stricken countries will have their temperature taken when they arrive here in the US, at these airports. I feel like I'm missing something. So, there's no real plan to stop the virus from getting here? They are just setting up half-*advertiser censored* triage centers run by ??? at certain airports? I'm not being snarky or sarcastic! What am I missing as a real plan to keep this virus out of this country?

 

[Sonya610]

What am I missing as a real plan to keep this virus out of this country?

I don't think there is a "real plan", at least not one the feds plan to enforce.

 

[FlamingoLady]

No kidding. I do believe we know very little about this virus (except that it is NOT transmitted by dogs...lol..the dog part is IMO but I seriously doubt if dogs can become "infected" at all and are likely no more "infectious" than furniture, cars, etc...that have been exposed to the virus).

I do not have a link for this (disclaimer). I read that dogs in Africa caught Ebola from eating infected people. I know this is not pretty, but I do believe it probably happened. Obviously here in the US, we have a better system of handling infected people other than having them dying in the streets. As of now anyway....

 

[Yoda]

Spain euthanized Excalibur.

http://www.wthr.com/story/26734735/spain-euthanizes-pet-dog-of-ebola-infected-woman

 

[SCHMAE]

I think it's the opposite. The virus could be building up in the system for a full frontal attack. From looking at the cases of transmission in Africa, it would be rare for anyone to escape.

But then again, the case of the mother contracting Ebola and being taken to hospital while her husband watched, she didn't die - but her husband contracted it a day later & died. They left 4 boys that apparently didn't contract it. Go figure. I posted a link to the video at Frontline.org EBOLA, in the 1st thread. Very interesting video.

Oh no

 

[Sonya610]

So now the Spanish Nurse thinks she got the virus from "touching her face" while treating the priest with Ebola.

What kind of hazmat suit allows the wearer to "touch their face"? Link includes video and also a picture of the nurse with her beloved dog.

Infected Spanish nurse 'may have touched face'

A doctor in Madrid says the Spanish nurse infected with Ebola remembers touching her face with her gloves after treating a dying priest.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29539444

 

[wendybtn]

Thomas Duncan, the man at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, in Dallas, has died from Ebola. (Heard on SiriusXM radio channel 114 Fox News) I have no idea how to post a link, but I have my radio on most of the day.