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EVIDENCE - Pro and Con

Discussion in 'Heather Elvis' started by Salem, Mar 20, 2014.

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  1. Salem

    Salem Former Member

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    Discuss the evidence here. Discuss both sides. Does it help? Does it hurt? Another explanation for a particular piece of evidence?

    Salem
     
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  3. Just K

    Just K New Member

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    There has been discussion about DNA found in or on the M's property. Bodily fluids can be washed off of surfaces but blood, for instance, seeps into the piping & crevices, spatters on headliners and visors and can hide forever within the foam rubber under the seat's fabric. I suspect the same is true of other substances, too. Then there is hair, nails, touch dna, urine and saliva...if there was a struggle and she was strangled or suffocated, those substances and such could be anywhere with Heather having thrashed about. That reminds me, her fingerprints could have ended up on any surface, too.

    If Heather was shot or bashed in the head (head injuries bleed profusely and almost immediately and often spurt) in the front seat of the Ford F150 then no amount of cleaning will guarantee that all the bodily fluids are erased. With that being a nearly brand new vehicle, any bleach would discolor the fabric...in an obvious manner.
     
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    Maybe the $5,000 went for two new seat benches.
     
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    SStarr33 Inactive

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    And there should be NO Heather DNA in that truck because they purchased it after they quit seeing each other.
     
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    Ghostwheel Pyrrhonist

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    DNA evidence: has it been confirmed to be Heather's or could it belong to TM/SM (or both). Could there be DNA evidence of the Moorer's at PTL when they say they were not there? If LE can prove Heather was at PTL and that either/both of the Ms were at PTL, when they say they were not, would that be incriminating just on it's own?
     
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    SharetheLight Share the Light, Share the Love

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    I wonder if they have evidence that either TM or SM were driving the red pick up truck in the wee hours of 12/18.
     
  8. PeterThomasFan

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    The DNA was later said to have come from one of the M's vehicles (not specifically from the their home - although we have no knowledge otherwise).

    That is a good point and IMO, is one of LE's pieces of evidence.
     
  9. magnolia

    magnolia War Eagle

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    On what date did the Moorer's purchase the truck?
     
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    I've been wondering about the evidence found at PTL that leads LE to believe she died there. We know it wasn't something immediately obvious because there was no crime scene when the car was found. This is really macabre, but what if it's a tooth? Something really small that proves beyond a reasonable doubt she was murdered. (Note reasonable doubt, not beyond a shadow of a doubt.

    I know when LE said, "Was some of that evidence physical? Yes," they were referring to the search at the M's. But something leads them to conclude murder happened at PTL.


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  11. SStarr33

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    According to Delta Dawn in Nov after the relationship ended. I would get you the link, but they are working on that section and it won't be back up til the weekend.
     
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    Thank-you, on this one, I don't need a link.
     
  13. Hatfield

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    I couldnt find the old link and finally found the new spot for this case. Thanks to the MODS for all the hard work separating into sections. Lets hope LE finds her soon.
     
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    I am hoping enhanced video evidence shows who actually drove the vehicle and who if anyone was sitting on passenger seat and if there was a struggle goign on.

    If video is showing that and shows a fight with Heather then it is logical to believe she was in no capacity to leave the area on her own. To me, that would be enough for kidnapping.

    I do agree that it would not prove murder right at the lake area though unless they found blood evidence in the truck or at the landing area and we have not heard that yet.
     
  15. magnolia

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    I have noticed some posters (including myself) question whether the relationship had really ended. It's hard to believe the relationship ended in October and then all of a sudden, out of the blue, Heather receives a call from Sidney on December 18th. Jurors may have doubts as well.
     
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    The confidence and arrogance of TM concerns me. Its like whatever they did with her they felt very confident they would not be caught. This gives a clue that whatever they did with her was a devious plot. So IMO, we need to keep thinking outside the box like in a hollowed out tree type spot. Or unfortunately that comment she made about him being a chef concerns me.
     
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    Do security cameras show that much detail, especially when the car is going at high speeds? They tend to be blurry and grainy.
     
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    On the last long thread before everything was moved here, someone mentioned that Heather's date might have been wrong about the time he dropped her off because he hadn't changed his truck clock for daylight savings time ending, does his truck clock show in the pic of Heather learning to drive the stick shift? I couldn't find a better thread to post this on and figure if his clock does show (since we know what time she e-mailed that pic to TE) it would be pretty evidentiary of the time discrepancy.
     
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    BBM Every time someone says that it freaks me out. I can barely cut raw chicken up. :puke: I can't imagine how a person can cut up the remains of someone they knew (had sex with or cared about-whatever they had) I guess it's good that I can't imagine it but OMG what a horrible thought!!
     
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    Yes, but the PA will have all the calls, texts & PMs that should confirm or deny if and when the relationship ended to present to the jury.

    ETA - Maybe friends & co-coworkers interviews as well.
     
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