Discussion in 'LISK CLOSED General Discussion Threads' started by hawkshaw, Jan 5, 2013.
With all due respect, we have no links to show that JB is LISK.
Or some variant of that because, if they were that corrupt and debauched in the first place, revealing the killer might set loose all sorts of unimaginable revelations that would reflect poorly on them.
And that is all I have been trying to say. It could be as bad as nothing or it could be as bad as cops are involved. from what I have seen so far it is my considered opinion they are hiding something.
HOW they operate. I just want you to consider this and think about it. Cops trying to bust a major crime ring bring in one of the criminals and put pressure on him. I suspect they caught him for something. The guy gives them a lot of information about some pretty dangerous people. One of those people is now doing 40 years in a federal prison.
One of the major crime locations is a auto garage in Ronkonkoma. I had information that a group of them were packing bricks of cocaine out of the place for several years.
OK, the guy is an informant. There is no doubt about that as I have some of the reports the detectives drew up describing the crimes he was involved in with his pals. One has to assume if he knew about burglaries, home invasions, stickups etc., he would have known the auto garage was a major distribution point for drugs.
The detectives finish up with the guy and bring him to the DA office where James Burke runs the investigations. They sign him up as a cooperating witness and seem to let him go on his own. They didn't give him protection or hide him outside of Suffolk, they just let him go on his merry way.
He is brought to the DA office on 9/3/03 and is murdered on 9/24/03 right outside of the auto garage. The owner of the garage has already called the witness a rat. The witness shows up at the garage. He is murdered outside of the garage after he leaves the building to get something out of his car. The case remains unsolved to this day.
Now here is what I want you folks to think about: Certain people believe this guy is an informant. The owner of the garage accused him of such. The guy is radioactive. If he is coming to the center of the criminal enterprise you have to assume he is being watched and monitored. So what does someone do? They feel safe enough to put a bullet in this guy's head and seem to do it without a care in the world. I would think if I was the killer the last place I would kill an informant is the place I was doing my illegal business. He must be being watched.
The question that begs to be asked and answered: Why did the killer(s) feel safe in killing this guy right outside where they operate? Did somebody tell them it was OK to kill him then because there were no cops working that night?
Am I making any sense?
How does this relate to LISK. I really doesn't, but what it does do is to show the people how the SCPD operates : they just don't care.
Killing a DA's witness is a VERY BIG THING. It demands to be solved. Major resources are employed to catch the criminals. It is an assault on the entire criminal justice system.
You know I have been on this subject for at least 8 years, yesterday was the first time I thought about what I wrote above.
The dead guy is a witness for the cops and signed up by the DA. He is now the responsibility of the district attorney to see that he is safe and try to develop a case with the information he has given them. It isn't like he was informing on some kids selling pot on the corner. He is giving up some serious criminals he did some serious crimes with.
Three weeks after he becomes known to the DA/Burke he goes to the 'command central' of a major crime ring in Suffolk County. Whether is was invited to come to the garage, or he stepped in on his own is unknown to me. We know the owner of the garage accused this fellow of being a 'rat' only one week earlier. Any person with an IQ higher than a midget's shoe size has to believe this guy is going there for information and he got there with cops accompanying outside.
The guy goes inside and goes out to the car to get something....according to the news reports. He gets shot in the head and dies. In those circumstances one has to wonder if the killer even has a brain to kill someone where the cops should have been secreting themselves monitoring their witness.
What is the obvious conclusion I draw from this: The killer(s) KNEW there were no cops in the area. The next question is: How would they know that? I don't think the shooter asked the victim if the cops were around and would believe him if he said no.
There are three prime suspects for this murder: Joe C, Rob S, and Eddie W. Eddie is most likely the killer. He is doing 40+ years in a federal prison for drugs and gun smuggling. He pled out to those charges. If he went to trial he might have gotten 50 years. He gained nothing by pleading out.
The next question is how did the killer(s) know the guy was informant and have enough information to kill him after he was only a cooperating witness for 3 weeks at that time. Lets think about Joe C and his Infamous Neighbor. The neighbor had to know the victim was cooperating. The neighbor shouldn't have let that guy leave the building without protection by hiding his witness. The neighbor would also know Joe C was a weasel and a rat. He ratted out others before and escaped jail time. If the cops got their hands of Joe C there is nothing he wouldn't have talked about to get himself a free pass.
When the cops went to Florida to bring back Joe C on a Material Witness order, Spota sent down his trust ADA Scott Prudenti to go with the cops. As an 'officer of the court', Prudenti could be counted on to protect the rights of a potential defendant and stop the cops from talking to Joe C if he asked for an attorney. And, that is exactly what Joe C did when he told them to speak to his lawyer, Ray Perini.
Joe C was lucky while Peter G was not. Joe was housed in area motels and hotels in Suffolk County for the better part of a year. He had to conduct his illegal mortgage/bank fraud scheme via telephone. They would not deprive him of his revenue source. They needed him to be a happy fellow. He hatched a scheme with Prudenti and Perini to sever himself from his previous crimes, but not two murders he may have been involved with. But he was never prosecuted for those murders.
When he was brought back to NY he had two things in mind: get out of the murder investigation and lie for the DA about my son in law, and to testify against Eddie W in his federal trial. HE was escorted to court each day by a SCPD detective and a ATF Agent.
Again, why do I tell you this on a LISK Board? I tell you this to give you some insight how these people work. They can't be trusted for anything, much less the investigation of 5 prostitues that were found dead on Gilgo Beach.
I just received information from what I believe to be an informed source that Suffolk County has quietly been interviewing people for police commissioner. That after the elections are over PC Webber will retire and Chief of Department James Burke will be history. Why Bellone is waiting so long to get rid of this albatross from around his neck absolutely confounds me.
PLEASE READ THE ATTACHED STORY AND TELL ME IF YOU THINK THIS GUY SHOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THE GILGO INVESTIGATION.
PAY PARTICULAR attention to the attached video and see what Loeb said on the 48 second portion of that tape.
Open up all the attached documents concerning Chief James Burke, in particular the IAB investigation that substantiated he had a long relationship with a crack head prostitute.
If Burke is the Top Cop in the SCPD what do you think those that are allegedly investigating this case are? Listen to what he has to say about the treatment he got from the detectives when he was arrested and then tell me if you can be comfortable with this so called investigation of the murders of the Gilgo victims.
I have lost faith. Catching Bittrolff was a fluke. The number of bodies dumped around the Island like garbage is unreal. Its unreal because theres no arrest. I dont get it.
They need to wipe out scpd or bring in reinforcements
Everyone should revisit this whole thread and think about what's going on currently.
I am pleased to learn that at least one person on this Board believes in what I have been trying to do over the past few years. I never tried to figure out who killed these gals, all I tried to do was to give you an idea what was wrong with the investigation. If the stories break as I expect them to do you should get a better understanding of what might be going on. If there are charges I suspect they may not deal directly as to why the FEDS are investigating because they take what they ican get. Be a little patient and you might see some pretty explosive stories that will have you question the integrity of the Gilgo investigation of any other investigation.
Hawk, I think more than one understood what you were trying to relay. I got it. Im sure theres others. Its appreciated. I hope this case moves along now.
Hawkshaw, Do you think something new came up with JB ? I thought that the.FBI investigation was finished and now this.
You didn't hear the FBI or US attorney say it was over, did you? What you heard was Burke's lawyer and other cops say that. You heard JB and Spota's stooge Chief of Detectives Madigan say that. They even have people in the FBI willing to say that. This what THEY do, the spread lies and gossip. They lie so much they don't know the difference between the truth and a lie. And why should they when they have the BIGGEST LIAR of them all : Tom Spota protecting them.
What I think really changed is they turned someone involved in the arrest of Christopher Loeb and he wore a wire. What changed is the FEDS had enough. They let these people wiretap people 'legally' and illegally, and did nothing about it. When the FEDS got wiretapped. You get the picture.
http://nypost.com/2015/11/04/cop-who-staged-suicide-had-been-embezzling-money-for-years/ You folks should open this up and read it. One of JB's best pals and a Spota detective has his own kiddie detective school where he makes up crime scenes and runs competitions. This fellow is so wired that last year he had the distinction of being the highest paid Suffolk County employee. He received over $70,000 in overtime mostly by supervising a nickel and dime operation.
A year or so ago when JB's problems were first being written about another fellow, a citizen, a guy that was heavily involved in the police explorer programs wrote a letter to Newsday defending Sir.James. Then maybe they are public spirited people that just like kids.
Criminal indictment expected against James Burke as well as many high
ranking officers in Suffolk County Police Department.
How do you say: "man down - man down" loud enough?
TKMB - thanks for adding the link. It pretty much explains it all. Only your imagination can give you a hint as to what MAY come from all of this.
I hear the rush to the US attorney's office is something like we see every Black Friday at the department stores. There has been such a rush the FEDS are turning the 'customers' away.
With this crew in Suffolk County the main thing on the menu is not going to be turkey, it will be CHEESE.