FL - 17 killed in Stoneman Douglas H.S. shooting, Parkland, 14 Feb 2018 #4 *Arrest*

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  1. jjenny

    jjenny Well-Known Member

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    It's both. Regarding brain damage or fetal alcohol syndrome, it's a complete speculation on posters' part.
    There have not been any credible reporting to support anything of the sort.
     
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  2. jjenny

    jjenny Well-Known Member

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    We don't know if anyone was an addict. There have not been credible reports, and what has been reported was contradictory. I've seen a report that bio mom was tested for drugs and passed.
     
  3. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae The enemy is here. beware

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    Has it been said at what point/time in or after her 9 month pregnancy that the drug test was done that came back clean?

    If thc stays in system for 28 days and cocaine 3 days, opioids in hair follicles for 90 days doesn’t really mean that bio mom didn’t do drugs while pregnant.
     
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    YESorNO The Queen (aka "mrsmuir") SWBB

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    Don't release any of Parkland shooter's confession, lawyers urge

    June 19, 2018

    "Lawyers for the man who killed 17 people and injured 17 more at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in February now want a Broward judge to keep his entire confession from being released to the public.

    Broward Circuit Judge Elizabeth Scherer set a hearing for Thursday to hear arguments over the latest defense motion, which seeks to prevent prosecutors releasing nearly all of the statement Nikolas Cruz gave to police following his arrest.

    The new motion, filed Monday, intensifies an earlier effort to block only the most incriminating portions of the confession.

    “Upon further review of the interrogation, it is defense counsel’s position that this court should issue a protective order temporarily enjoining the release of the entire statement,” the defense lawyers wrote. “Criminal cases must be tried in court and not the media.”...

    The latest move by the defense underscores an issue lawyers have struggled with since the day of the mass shooting — the overwhelming evidence of guilt coupled with massive pre-trial publicity will make it a challenge to find a panel of jurors who have not heard of the case or formed an opinion about what should happen to Cruz..."

    Don't release any of Parkland shooter's confession, lawyers urge
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    YESorNO The Queen (aka "mrsmuir") SWBB

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    Nikolas Cruz court hearing moved to next month

    "...A judge rescheduled today's hearing for Nikolas Cruz to July 16. The hearing is to get an update on the legal case against Cruz who is accused of killing 17 people at Stoneman Douglas High School on Valentine's Day.

    Defense attorneys are expected to ask a judge to order investigators to preserve most evidence in the case, except for the building where the shooting took place."

    Nikolas Cruz court hearing moved to next month
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  6. YESorNO

    YESorNO The Queen (aka "mrsmuir") SWBB

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    FBI flags signs that may help detect mass shooters

    "Mass shooters are mostly white men suffering from various stress factors, a belief that they are victims of some injustice and who pick targets that they are familiar with, the FBI report said.

    Officers studied 63 shootings that resulted in at least one death that were committed between 2000 and 2013, and which allowed FBI behaviorial experts to determine how the shooter acted in the run-up to the killing.

    The report challenges a widely held belief that shooters are suffering from a mental illness or extreme social isolation, two reasons frequently cited as triggers for an attack.

    According to the FBI, three-quarters of the killers they studied were not suffering from any diagnosable mental illness.

    “Declarations that all active shooters must simply be mentally ill are misleading and unhelpful,” the report said.

    After the shooting at a school in Parkland, Florida, in February that left 17 people dead, numerous politicians, including President Donald Trump and the gun lobby, said that the gunman — a former student — had suffered psychological problems and that his behavior had been reported to the authorities.

    The FBI said that most of the shooters “experienced multiple stressors” such as financial or marital problems, or professional and personal disputes before launching their attacks.

    That often results in “concerning behaviors” such as depression, paranoia, violent acts and direct or indirect threats, as well as skipping work or difficulty in communicating with others.

    In the 63 cases studied, this behavior was detected by at least one person close to the shooter, but fewer than half of them — just 41 percent — reported such behavior to the authorities....

    “What emerges is a complex and troubling picture of individuals who fail to successfully navigate multiple stressors in their lives while concurrently displaying four to five observable, concerning behaviors, engaging in planning and preparation, and frequently communicating threats or leaking indications of an intent to attack,” the report said...."

    FBI flags signs that may help detect mass shooters
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  7. LifeoftheSearchParty

    LifeoftheSearchParty Member

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    This has to be the understatement of the year. This kid was a problem his entire life but was excused from mental health holds because of the PC social workers, inept cops and cowardly school "security".
     
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    Parkland shooter's lawyers seek to block school district report

    "Lawyers for Nikolas Cruz want to stop school officials from releasing a report about how the district handled the Parkland shooter during his years in school.

    The independent consultant’s report includes Cruz’s educational, disciplinary and some counseling records....

    ...the district asked a Broward judge to determine whether the public’s right to know should take precedence over Cruz’s right to privacy...."

    Parkland shooter's lawyers seek to block school district report
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  9. Jennifer17

    Jennifer17 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but you can't keep kids locked up forever because of his behaviour before the shooting. IMO
     
  10. LifeoftheSearchParty

    LifeoftheSearchParty Member

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    It's a dilemma....
     
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    FBI holds summits on preventing mass school shootings

    "WASHINGTON (AP) — FBI leaders and local law enforcement officials are studying shootings in schools to piece together trends and come up with ways to prevent future violence, officials said....

    The session comes on the heels of deadly school shootings like the February attack in Parkland, Florida, that killed 17 and the one in Santa Fe, Texas, last month that claimed 10 lives. Those shootings are part of what officials described as an alarming increase in the number of mass shootings, though the reasons for the uptick are still being debated.

    "The active shooter threat is here to stay," said FBI Deputy Director David Bowdich. "I wish it wasn't. I wish it was a passing phase."...

    On Wednesday, the FBI shared the findings of recent research into 63 active shooters. The research showed that most, 77 percent, had spent a week or longer planning their attack and that many of them had shown multiple signs of warning behavior in the year before the violence. The FBI said it could verify that 25 percent of the shooters who were studied had been previously diagnosed with a mental illness...."

    FBI holds summits on preventing mass school shootings
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    Chilling witness statements reveal Parkland High School shooting survivors mistook gun shots for Valentine's Day balloons popping

    "Witness statements from teacher and student survivors of the Florida high school shooting on February 14 were made public on Friday, under state law

    The statements describe mistaking gun shots for popped Valentine's Day balloons, watching bullets fly by, being hit and seeing students die

    Others describe cowering in corners, ignoring the fire alarm that the suspect is accused of pulling to lure victims into the hallway and stepping over dead bodies

    Some of the stories of the victims of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting are shared here, as suspect Nikolas Cruz, 19, awaits trial ...

    PICTURED: Fourteen students, geography teacher, coach and athletic director shot dead in Florida high school massacre..."

    Survivors describe carnage at Florida high school massacre | Daily Mail Online
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  13. EuTuCroquet?

    EuTuCroquet? “What's happening to my special purpose!?”

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    Parkland school shooter is typical of mass killers studied by FBI

    The study analysed the pre-attack behaviour of 63 shooters who killed multiple people from 2000 to 2013. More than half had communicated to someone - online or in person - that they intended to harm someone. The younger the perpetrator was, the more likely they were to engage in what the experts call "leakage."

    Cruz followed the play book in other ways, too. He spent a considerable amount of time planning the crime, legally purchased the AR-15 rifle he would use, recorded a series of cellphone videos attempting to explain his grievances, had a morbid interest in the 1999 Columbine school shooting in Colorado, and experienced a series of personal difficulties in the year before he attacked.
     
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    Does anyone know where to find the full report of the transcripts of interviews with the survivors that they released? I see a lot of news articles quoting the report but no link to it. Thanks.
     
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  15. CARIIS

    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    Its FL!

    In fl you can only hold someone 72 hours

    Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
     
  16. SeesSeas

    SeesSeas FLORIDIAN

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    Rarely happens, but sometimes longer than 72 hours:
    Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
    (g) The examination period must be for up to 72 hours. For a minor, the examination shall be initiated within 12 hours after the patient’s arrival at the facility. Within the examination period or, if the examination period ends on a weekend or holiday, no later than the next working day thereafter, one of the following actions must be taken, based on the individual needs of the patient:
    1. The patient shall be released, unless he or she is charged with a crime, in which case the patient shall be returned to the custody of a law enforcement officer;
    2. The patient shall be released, subject to subparagraph 1., for voluntary outpatient treatment;
    3. The patient, unless he or she is charged with a crime, shall be asked to give express and informed consent to placement as a voluntary patient and, if such consent is given, the patient shall be admitted as a voluntary patient; or
    4. A petition for involuntary services shall be filed in the circuit court if inpatient treatment is deemed necessary . . .
     
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    CARIIS Spelling Bee Winner - Kindergarden!

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    In 17 years I never heard of one instance where anyone ever ever went to court to get past 72 hours --

    a patient may not be held in a receiving facility for involuntary examination longer than 72 hours you have to go to court realistically a provider at a Baker Act facility has seen the pt for an hour

    its hard to go to a judge and say you think a pt meets criteria after an hour with a pt

    there are no long term facilities here like other states

    just does not happen

    in a lot of instances they get tossed out and may end up back in a couple of days for another 24 36 48 72 hours

    length of stay is in reality determined by if a facility is gonna get any money for the bed

    you would be amazed how many pts are miraculously ready for DC if they are indigent and how many pt miraculously need the the 72 hours if money for the bed is coming from somewhere

    there is no treatment they will be given a RX for meds that they cant afford remember to get remember to take can stand the side effect profiles of the heavy hitters have the insight to understand

    the admission takes hours then they need to eat and shower then the shot kicks in so they are in a coma for a while then they will go to a 45 minute group with others who are in a coma from their meds dont know who they are where they are why they are there or asleep in the chair from the meds

    In Group therapy some are actively psychotic delusional or aggressive or they cant keep there eyes open as the meds kick in - in these setting group in about 18 people who have no idea where they are at

    then they need to eat \

    then they pass out and sleep

    for the real agitated individuals they are placed in a seclusion room tied to a bed given a shot and go into a coma while restrained in the bed - so staff only interaction is make sure they continue to breath in and out

    then the next day the discharge paperwork begans that is typically a zoo staff work in shifts staff cant get to know anything a person who has been in admissions for 6 hours to get in go to sleep sit in a group eat 6 times

    it does nothing but knock em out so they dont kill themselves or anyone else and then they are tossed

    there are only x amount of beds so if there are 4 people in admissions 4 beds need to be found/ How beds are found is by discharging another person discharge has no relevance on condition its basically based on getting the person zonked out enough not hurt themselves or others and dced for the next person in the admissions dept

    its basically like holding cells no treatment occurs and it is not meant to be treatment --- its main purpose is to stick people who might be dangerous "someplace" for a little time

    just the truth
     
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    Through my court advocacy, I know of several cases where the Baker Act hold was extended beyond 72 hours by a judge's court order. I understand the dilemmas.
    Here is an example in MSM of an extended hold by court order:
    Locked in hospital, woman caught in Baker Act fight
    The Baker Act allows 72 hours to determine whether a patient meets the criteria for involuntary commitment. But the act allows a so-called receiving facility to ask a judge to allow it to hold patients much longer when they are considered a threat to themselves or others. The hospital has done that, and is receiving Medicaid dollars to cover the cost of treatment.


    Here is a recent (June) Tampa situation, but it's unclear if the additional hold beyond 72 hours was voluntary or involuntary:
    Parents ‘spent over 10 years’ seeking help for man accused of running down Tampa father, sons
    "The one person who did the right thing was the officer who Baker Acted our son," Michael Morse said.

    His parents said he was taken to Gracepoint. A spokeswoman for the Tampa facility declined to discuss the Morse case, citing medical privacy laws.

    The Baker Act requires a court hearing if someone is to be held involuntarily for longer than three days. The parents said Gracepoint held Mikese Morse for a week. His parents said a lawyer visited their son, perhaps to discuss extending his stay there, though they could not say for sure.
     
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    This is a transcript of interviews- not the one that was released, as far as I know:

    Transcript: Florida school shooting survivors on "Face the Nation," Feb. 18, 2018 (with clip)

    "...The following is a transcript of the interview with the students that aired Sunday, Feb. 18, 2018, on "Face the Nation."

    NANCY CORDES: Joining me now are five students from Parkland, Florida who attend Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. They are David Hogg, Alex Wind and Emma Gonzalez, plus Cameron Kasky and Jacqueline Coren. Thanks so much to all of you for joining me and Cameron, I'll start with you. You say the adults have let you down...."

    Transcript: Florida school shooting survivors on "Face the Nation," Feb. 18, 2018 - CBS News

    Again, not the "official" transcripts released, but this article has students survivor's comments as the shooting was happening:

    'My school is being shot up'
    The massacre at Marjory Stoneman Douglas, moment by moment

    Inside the Florida school massacre, moment by moment - CNN

    And one more:

    Parkland shooter texted friend that he 'wanted to kill people'

    "...The Broward State Attorney’s Office on Friday released transcripts of numerous witness interviews. Most recount the horror as it unfolded, with teenagers describing the terror of hiding as Cruz made his way through the hallways of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Feb. 14.

    He killed 17 people, wounded 17 more, and traumatized countless others.

    Other transcripts shed some light on Cruz’s state of mind before the shooting...."

    Parkland shooter texted friend that he 'wanted to kill people'
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    The sick phenomenon of school shooting contagion

    "Mass shootings can spread like a disease, with each massacre inspiring new rampages. Can the cycle of violence be stopped? Here's everything you need to know:..."

    The sick phenomenon of school shooting contagion
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