FL FL - Collier Co., WhtFem 235UFFL, 45-70, in shallow grave, Jun'78

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  1. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    The Doe Network:
    Case File 235UFFL
    http://doenetwork.org/cases/235uffl.html
    NamUs UP Case 374 https://identifyus.org/cases/374

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    Reconstruction of Victim

    Unidentified White Female

    * The victim was discovered on June 3, 1978 in Collier County, Florida.
    * The decedent was in the advanced stages of decomposition.
    * Cause of death is the result of blunt force trauma to the head.

    Vital Statistics

    * Estimated age: 40-60 years old
    * Approximate Height and Weight: 5'0"-5'5"; 180 lbs.
    * Distinguishing Characteristics: Light brown hair; eye color unknown.
    * Dentals: Available. Her dental work would not have been possible in a small town during the time frame, but possible in a larger city.
    She had extensive dental work done on both upper and lower teeth. She had ceramic bridges on most of her teeth. Odontologist estimates that dental work would probably have had been done within two years prior to her death, and she may have still been under the dentist care. Restorative work was of extremely high quality and not capable of being done by the average dentist. It was felt she would have been under the active care of a dentist at the time of her death, possibly with a treatment plan for caps on the upper front teeth and upper right and upper left molar areas.
    * Tattoos: None located.
    * Clothing: No clothing, jewelry or personal effects located.
    * DNA: Available.

    Case History
    The victim was located in a shallow grave, covered with brush, 1/2 mile south of State Route 84 (Alligator Alley) on State Route 29. (I-175 by present day maps.) in the late afternoon hours of June 3, 1978.

    The victim's body was covered with a white substance, which was later analyzed and identified to be hydrated lime or caustic lime, which is used in such things as mortars and cements as well as agricultural purposes.
     
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    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I wonder if Saunders Cloie Rymer has ever been checked against this Jane Doe.

    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/rymer_saunders.html
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    Her height (5'4") is good (i.e., between 5'0" and 5'5"). Her age (54) is good (40-60 per DoeNet, 45-70 per NamUs). She was quite overweight (200 lbs) as was the UID (about 180 lbs). Her hair color is right. The timeframe is reasonable.

    She was last seen en-route to Florida from Cartersville, Georgia. However, the UID was found 275 miles beyond her presumed destination of Brooksville FL.

    The big question is what her dental situation was like. It would be an easy rule-in or rule-out if her dentals were known.
     
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    Donjeta Adji Desir, missing from Florida

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    Has this been submitted?

    This looks like a viable match. Even with no dental or DNA, it still worth submitting.
     
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    I think she was found somewhere along this stretch of road. It's described as "1/2 mile south of State Route 84 (Alligator Alley) on State Route 29. (I-175 by present day maps.)" in Doenet, but I-175 in St. Petersburg is 180 miles north of where routes 84 and 29 meet. The intersection is just south of I-75, however, so I think it's a typo.

    https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=...oq=Florida+29,+&mra=dme&mrsp=1&sz=12&t=m&z=11

    It's right off an exit, too, which would lead one to believe the murderer might have been traveling between Naples on the west coast and the Fort Lauderdale area on the east coast.
     
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    How was this UID ever found? It sounds like it was buried under soil, then under brush, and off the beaten track. Anyone have any news articles about who found this uid, and what they do for a living?

    I am assuming that the lime was to hasten decomposition? Is that what it could be used for?
     
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    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    Yes, or she could have been carried in a vehicle that had been used to haul fertilizer, or concrete, or something like that.

    None of the UID websites has any more information than what's posted in this thread. I can't find any newspaper articles about the discovery. It's an area where lots of bodies are dumped :(

    Her entry in the Collier County UID database: http://www2.colliersheriff.org/CaseProfiles/CCSOColdCase/CaseProfile.aspx?cid=33&vid=33&i=8



    Ruleouts:

    Grace M. Canto Reapp 1945 Vermont
    Linda Davis 1946 Oklahoma
    Helen Vorhees Brach 1911 Illinois
     
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    I would guess they can't rule her in or out because she has so little information to go on -- no DNA, no dentals, no fingerprints. I wonder if that means she doesn't have any family living?
     
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