Found Deceased FL - Lane Graves, 2, Walt Disney World, 14 June 2016 #1

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  1. SeaEclipse

    SeaEclipse Active Member

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    Exactly this. If you have events on the beach at night, no swimming signs (even lots of big signs) are not sufficient to warn people that they shouldn't be wading 12 inches from the shore (where, fyi, the water is at most 3 inches deep). People should think about how they see people walking up and down beaches right at the tide line/in the surf; that is much more akin to what this toddler and father were doing than "swimming." During the day, I would say you see 50+ people doing what this family was doing; at night, during an event, I bet there were at least a few others. Whatever warnings they give, this really was not unusual behavior for the area and no one warns you that it might be dangerous.
     


  2. keyleigh

    keyleigh Land down under

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    Exactly. They don't want you thinking about negative things, they want you consumed with Disney Disney Disney. And I absolutely think they were foolish, if not downright negligent by hosting a movie night on the edge of the water.
     
  3. SweetCaroline

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    Totally agree. My kids and I have waded in that water. As someone said before, the signs say "No swimming". Nothing about wading or alligators. Perhaps I'm just naïve, but I took the "no swimming" signs at face value. Where I live, I've never seen an alligator and it's not something that's on my radar. Until now, of course. My heart is shattered for these parents and I don't know how they will find the strength to keep on going.
     
  4. skibaboo

    skibaboo Mrs Map

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    I've only just seen this! I'm speechless, a friend told me and I instantly thought "what? That can't be true!?"

    :(
     
  5. fraudqueen

    fraudqueen Senior Highway Safety Specialist/Fraud Detection

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    Sorry I haven't caught up on this entire thread yet. I'm a native Floridian and for those who don't know, if an alligator wants something it will also come out of the water and go across land to get it. Their legs are very long, making them stand up very high and they run extremely fast. I always swam in lakes and there were always gators. If you didn't bother them, they didn't bother you, ever. The only times I've heard of this is when someone is feeding the alligator every day as some idiots apparently do. This is so rare you can't believe. I pray for the family who has lost their child.
     
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  7. x_files

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    Many people do not swim in lakes in Florida because of the gators.
    Alligators can move very quickly when they strike.
     
  8. x_files

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    Even in the day! I was told never, ever go in their water. Deadly creatures. :(
     
  9. x_files

    x_files Well-Known Member

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    I've become jaded.
     
  10. walkingdeadgirl

    walkingdeadgirl Gunslinger

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    There were posted signs that there was No Swimming Allowed in that area. The child was in "one foot of water" when he was grabbed. It is a terrible tragedy that it happened, but this could absolutely have been avoided.
     
  11. Andie11

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    One thing is clear from this thread alone; people interpret warning signs in different ways. I would think "no swimming" means don't get in the water, not even a toe. It's clear that many (maybe even the majority) think it means more than that.

    Disney will obviously change their approach and likely their signs, but they've had people on that beach for almost 30 years - it's a horrible occurrence that hasn't happened in that time.
     
  12. eileenhawkeye

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    How much research should people do before they go on vacation somewhere? If people are so convinced that Disney is this magical place where nothing bad can happen to them, I can't imagine they would be happy about gigantic "alligator" signs everywhere. Considering this has never happened before, there has obviously been enough done by Disney and prior guests in the past. If they had signs about gators in the water, you would have a lot of parents complaining about how the signs are scaring their little ones. Disney really can't win in this situation. I don't think anyone is to blame but I disagree that Disney should've had huge flashing billboards everywhere you go to tell you about how gators are in the water. Why should Disney made a huge spectacle wondering guests about something that has never happened before, and anyone with a computer, could figure out that gators live in Florida waterbodies?
     
  13. x_files

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    no swimming usually means no wading either, but they should clearly mark No wading/swimming. No entry in water.
     
  14. LLC

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    I hear ya...This place will do that to ya...

    Idk..in this case, I think this was just a freak accident. I feel so bad for those parents.

    Yes. I agree on both counts. Now they will have to barricade every water way to prevent a future event.
     
  15. eileenhawkeye

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    I guess the signs should have said:

    No swimming
    No going into the water
    Not even a toe
    We mean it!

    But what about people who decide to go into the water at night? Better make the signs have flashing lights too.
     
  16. LLC

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    Agree.

    As I said above there will probably be no more accessible water ways. Everything will now have barricades, fences etc.
     
  17. TheMothership

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    Was the child in 12 inches of water or was he 12 inches from the shore? I have seen both posted here.
     
  18. eileenhawkeye

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    It's interesting how Disney has not found the child yet. They've euthanized four gators and have been searching the waterbodies for 12+ hours. I believe they do a good job of relocating the gators so how many "suspects" could there possibly be?
     
  19. Andie11

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    On MSNBC, they stated they were a family of 4. Mom, Dad, Baby (2) and a 4 yr old girl.
    Last night, the Sheriff reported they were a family of 5, not 5 children, but he wasn't that specific, so it was probably an error.
     
  20. Andie11

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    Last night, the sheriff said "about 1 foot in." I took that to mean 1 foot from the shore. I don't know if that is necessarily correct.
     
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