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  1. OkieGranny

    OkieGranny New Member Staff Member Forum Coordinators

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    Maybe not technically a cold case, but justice not done, IMO. Excellent feature article about this very sad story:

    http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/two-gunshots/

    http://mayportmirror.jacksonville.c...ho-was-found-dead-home-shared-st-johns-deputy

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/witness-emerges-florida-womans-2010-death/story?id=25227390

     
  2. JaxFlaGal

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    The Florida governor has signed an executive order to reopen the investigation.

    http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/news/gov-scott-assigns-special-prosecutor-investigate-m/nhbhY/
     
  3. OkieGranny

    OkieGranny New Member Staff Member Forum Coordinators

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/04/u...l-shooting-of-deputys-girlfriend-in-2010.html

     
  4. Hippiemomof5

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    How terrible! I hope if this man did it, he gets charged! It sure seems with an extra shot in her arm, that it wasn't a suicide.
     
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    Hi Hippiemom5-

    The other shot was not in Michelle's arm it was in the floor. The theory behind this was....Michelle was testing the gun to be sure it worked before she committed suicide with it. So she "test fired" it into the floor. Then she turned the gun UPSIDE DOWN and shot herself in the mouth, at which time the gun recoiled IN A FORWARD motion causing the cut above her eye (because that cut certainly couldn't have been caused by Jeremy, even though he enjoyed putting his hands on her). Her DNA was found on the gun but (surprise!) Jeremy's was not, even though it was his service weapon. Sounds plausible, huh?

    This case enrages me. Everything, EVERYTHING about it stinks.

    Yes, he deserves to be charged. And so does everyone else who have ACTIVELY covered up for him, particularly a certain sheriff, IMO. You should watch the "Frontline" episode about this case (it's online on the PBS site).

    I'm furious for Michelle and her family.
     
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    Oh, gotcha. I misunderstood that part. I want to go back and read further. It certainly doesn't sound cut and dry as a suicide to me.
     
  7. lib's mom

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    Please keep reading and watching (esp. the NY Times article and the Frontline episode). I've signed petitions, written letters, the only thing I can think to do for Michelle is to make more people aware of the case.

    While I want to see Jeremy tried for her (IMO) murder, I REALLY want to see the people who continue to cover up and lie (IMO) about her case tried and punished.

    The good ol' boy system is alive and well. I'm determined to see it doesn't win this time.
     
  8. OkieGranny

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    http://staugustine.com/news/local-n...will-look-michelle-oconnell-case#.VFelvigqWAA

     
  9. Abigail

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    Just watched this tonight on Frontline (on Netflix) and several things stood out.
    1) The 911 call. He starts out with his voice high and panicked (as one would expect) but seems to recall and give the address fluently, without any difficulty. From personal experience, that seems odd. And then, when the dispatcher calls him "Ma'am" -- he voice immediately changes, gets deeper, more coherent, he demands to be called sir, he ID's himself as a sheriff deputy, says "I'm one of ya'll" He never asked for help for Michelle.
    2) The woman deputy, one of the first responders, said he was angry, not sad. He was growling.
    3) His gun, the one that killed Michelle, did not have his DNA or fingerprints on it. It didn't have any of her blood on it either. It was obviously wiped after the shooting.
    4) Michelle's text messages that evening gave me pause -- they sounded like a woman expecting to die very soon. At first, it seemed like suicidal thoughts -- but perhaps she was genuinely fearing for her life.
    5) What was with the prescription meds being at the top of her purse -- Jeremy's meds, no less? That reminded me so much of the Jennifer Ramsaran case, when the guilty husband tried to insinuate his missing wife was abusing drugs -- but just like Michelle, no drugs were found in her system.
    6) The testimony of the neighbor ladies seems damning. But...also odd that they wouldn't have call 911 themselves when they heard shouts for help and gunshots.
    7) The bartender testimony that has more recently come to light is also damning.
    8) The position of the gun and the shells and bloodsplatter, etc. all seem inconsistent with suicide.
     
  10. Tanager

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    Has anyone else noticed that Jeff Ashton (!) is the Special Prosecutor appointed in the new investigation of this case? Is this THE Jeff Ashton from the Casey Anthony trial? I watched the Frontline about this case today, and I'm eager to hear Jeff Ashton's take on the evidence.

    I don't want to repeat what has already been said, so I'll try to limit myself to fresh information. I don't think anyone has noted that women do not often use a gun in suicides due to the fact that the tend to preserve their appearance, even in death. I think women might be more inclined to use medication or poison. Also, the pill bottles in the purse and the pills in her pocket were HINKY! If you've got pills, and you've got a gun, which do you use first? The pills! That way, you are somewhat anesthetized. How are you going to take pills after you shot yourself? I understand it could be a plan "B" for someone lacking the courage to shoot themself, but why not use them, then? This looks like a very amateur, "See...? More suicide stuff" bit of staging by the boyfriend.

    I was prepared to accept the suicide explanation due to the strange texts, but I am now convinced it was her anticipation of more domestic violence, after hearing all of the newer evidence from the family and neighbors.

    The change in the boyfriend's voice during the 911 call was textbook wrong per statement analysis. It was the worst, hammiest acting, ever, that he turned off like a switch. Also, his banter with his supervisor was wildly inappropriate to the situation, when she gave him the most softball interview in the history of police investigation.

    I am so outraged for this family due to how they have been treated by local law enforcement. It was a complete travesty of justice, and I am really hopeful that this case will be prosecuted by Jeff Ashton. I'd love to see him in action again.

    We need more sleuthers on this case.
     
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    I watched the Dateline episode of this case. I would like to watch Frontline too (hopefully the PBS website will work for me since I'm outside of the US!)

    I also agree that there are things about Michelle's death that don't make sense to me and I'm very happy to hear that the Florida governer has signed an executive order to re-open the investigation.

    Another thing to add that I don't think you guys have mentioned - one of the police that was first on the scene said JB smelt slightly of soap, like he had taken a shower or had washed his hands. He denied it, but his gun was clean.

    The pills were interesting because her autopsy showed she hadn't ingested any, yet she had an entire pocketful. It's very weird.

    The gun being left handed when she was right handed, and JB being the only left handed person in the house.

    I've also heard something about the position of her tongue too. Apparently in suicides tongues are down, but Michelle's was up, which they think means she was screaming when she was shot (makes it all the more terrifying and horrible)

    Her text messages read like she didn't know what was going to happen to her and she was worried about her safety because of their relationship being an abusive one and she was a smart woman, she knew that leaving an abusive man is an extremely dangerous time for a woman. They don't read like she was going to take her own life. I believe a suicidal woman would've implied it more, like, "My time is up/ I can't take it anymore. Please take care of L" or something along those lines, not "Whatever/If something happens to me, take care of L"

    Those stories from the bartender are very scary and shows the type of person JB is.

    I don't believe this was suicide.
     
  12. TMAN2014

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    Something is rotten in the state of Denmark, and it is not the cheese. Shouldn't there be more scrutiny of Mr Banks?

    It does not seem like Michelle was ready to leave this earth, based on the facts.
     
  13. OkieGranny

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    http://historiccity.com/2015/staugu...elle-oconnell-death-certificate-located-51470

     
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    I just finished watching the Frontline special on Netflix. I had not heard of the case before watching the show.

    I feel very strongly that Michelle was murdered. The only thing that was slightly confusing to me were the texts about taking care of her daughter, until I realized she was scared that JB might kill her when she broke up with him that night. If they were suicidal texts, they probably would've contained the phrase "I'm sorry" or some expression of regret. (JMO as someone who's struggled with depression/suicidal thoughts for a lifetime.) Her daughter was obviously her life, so she wanted to make sure that she would be loved and protected if anything happened to her IMO.

    Given my opinion stated above, I was disappointed when I started Googling for news and found this article from July of this year:

     
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    This is from August. I'm still reading, but wanted to drop the links here before I forget.

    Link to the above-mentioned investigative report (BBM#2): http://www.news4jax.com/blob/view/-/34773120/data/1/-/5810uw/-/Michelle-O-Connell-documents.pdf
     
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    This statement from the Sheriff regarding Michelle's exhumation is infuriating.

    http://staugustine.com/2016-05-23/s...se-information-michelle-oconnell#.V0XGOG4rKUk

    Suggesting that her family 'molested' her in their search for the truth? OUTRAGEOUS.
    And frankly, it seems to me that he is showing his belly, could he be more insecure about this case?

    This says it all to me: “The information presented today is nothing new and all was reviewed during the initial autopsy"
    When the information presented is a finding of homocide.... and the sheriff says it's nothing new... what then?
     
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    Is there any updates on this case?
     
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    It's sad that I live in Florida and I'm only now hearing about this case. Obviously they are covering for him from the start. Sickening. He looks guilty as sin.


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