Identified! FL - St Petersburg, WhtFem, 14-17, pushed into traffic, Jun'73 - Janice Young

[kpdx]

i really like the seminole doe for kathy...wish we could have an artist rendering of jane.

 

[MadeaBecBec]

i really like the seminole doe for kathy...wish we could have an artist rendering of jane.

Did you mean a sketch instead of the reconstruction bust for 67uffl ?

 

[anthrobones]

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1673dffl.html


Debora Sue Lowe
Missing since February 29, 1972 from Pompano Beach, Broward County, Florida
Classification: Lost, Injured, Missing

Vital Statistics

• Date Of Birth: September 19, 1958
• Age at Time of Disappearance: 13 years old
• Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'6"; 125 lbs.
• Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown long, straight hair; brown eyes.
• Marks, Scars: A small scar on her left leg
• Clothing: A yellow blouse, black pants with vertical rose stripes and a tan poncho.
• AKA: Debbie
• Dentals: A chipped front tooth; Crowded upper teeth.
• DNA: Available in CODIS

Circumstances of Disappearance
Lowe was last seen walking to Rickards Middle School in Pompano Beach, FL. Her parents called the police when she failed to come home from school.
The family was new to South Florida. They had just moved down from West Virginia. Gerald Schaefer, one of South Florida's most brutal serial killers has been named as a suspect. Schaefer, a one-time Martin County police deputy, had been linked to the deaths of 20 or more girls and young women between 1969 and 1972, including at least two other girls from Pompano Beach. His victims ranged in age from 9 to 25.

 

[chaddylex]

Anthrobones,

I would say it is a possible - age, both have a chipped tooth. One thing I do see that is different is the color of eyes. The UID has "deep Blue eyes" while Debora is listed as having brown. I know typos have been made before about eye color, height, etc.

 

[mysticrose]

Has there been any news on this at all?
TIA

 

[Kat]

http://www.examiner.com/x-7403-Tampa-Crime-Examiner~y2009m9d7-Do-you-know-this-unidentified-Jane-Doe

September 7, 11:20 PM


No updates at above link. Just recent reposting of her information.

I had a hard time finding her thead. I'm going to post this case number so I can find it again if need be... Case Number: NCMC400072
http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

 

[Sleuthster]

http://www.tampabay.com/news/public...e-unidentified-st-pete-murder-victims/1070778

ST. PETERSBURG — They are the coldest of cold cases, murders committed decades ago. But when authorities exhume the bodies of three victims next week, it won't be in a last-ditch effort to finally solve their murders.
Instead, their graves will be reopened in the hopes that those victims can finally be identified.
That's why University of South Florida forensic anthropologist Erin Kimmerle will be helping the St. Petersburg Police Department and the Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner's Office unearth the bodies at Memorial Park cemetery on Wednesday.
Kimmerle is an expert in helping law enforcement identify skeletonized remains.
"If we can identify these individuals and bring closure to their families," police Chief Chuck Harmon said, "then I certainly think that's something we should do."
All three victims are buried at Memorial Park cemetery at 54th Avenue N and 49th Street. The general manager, John Bunnell, has agreed to exhume the bodies at the cemetery's expense.
In the days leading to the exhumation, investigators will use ground-penetrating sonar to pinpoint the graves. Then on Wednesday, they'll start digging them up.
Then investigators will collect DNA samples from the bodies to be submitted to the FBI lab matching against the National Missing Persons DNA database.
Since 2001, the database has been indexing DNA from biological relatives of missing persons, the missing themselves and unidentified human remains.
Here are the cases police will re-examine:
• An unidentified white woman, 30 to 35 years of age, was found Oct. 31, 1969, dressed in a "flimsy green nightgown," according to The Evening Independent. She was wrapped in plastic and left inside a steamer trunk beneath a tree near the old Oyster Bar Restaurant near 4200 34th St. S. The woman was beaten and strangled. She was about 5 feet 9 and 130 pounds. There were no suspects in her death. St. Petersburg police Sgt. Bill Carlisle told the Independent that whoever killed her may have wanted her to be found.
• A white teenage girl, reportedly named Maria, who was shoved into the path of an oncoming vehicle during an argument with Lawrence Edward Dorn on June 9, 1973. The girl, who was 14 to 17 years old, reportedly had been in town only a few weeks and was from the Carolinas. Dorn was charged with manslaughter, but the case was later dropped for reasons that could not be determined Thursday.
• Two men shot to death in Room 15 of the Siesta Motel at 701 34th St. N on April 26, 1980. One victim was identified as Jack Roy Davis, 40, of Knoxville, Tenn. The other never was identified. Police had a suspect in the case, a 39-year-old Tennessee man named Kyle Coy "Cowboy" Watson, according to St. Petersburg Times archives. But he was gunned down by his girlfriend four months after the murders.

 

[Lady Stardust]

New info found.

First of all, she had another alias, Janice Marie Bromke.
Also, she may have been from Virginia or NC. I think she was from Cherry Hill,NJ and I will explain why in a minute.

A 24 yo man named Lawrence was charged in her death right after the incident.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=NL8MAAAAIBAJ&sjid=JGADAAAAIBAJ&pg=5936,2097037&dq=janice+bromke

I believe this is the same Lawrence (teddy)
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/05/12/SouthPinellas/Gulfport_looks_north_.shtml

Found him on knowx marrying this Katie.

Dont know if he was convicted.

Anyways, so I ran Janice Bromke. First of all there are only 9 Bromke's on ssdi. Not a common name.

Well it seems that there was a Dorothy born 1923 died 1997, google news shows she has a daughter named Janice listed but it doesnt show where she is. Dorothy was married to Bruno he died in 1996. Bruno had a son named (suprise) Bruno, who was a doctor and died suddenly in 2003 at age 58, he has a daughter named Janice who lives in NY, I have her married name dont want to print it here.
SO..... I believe that Janice Marie Bronke is our Janice and that her brother Bruno named his daughter after his sister.
I also believe that this was a prominent family and the stigmatism that Janice ran away made them refrain from persuing her missing.
Also, I have found that alot of info is missing on many of our cold cases that I looked up on this google news website. I am not sure why this name was omited and if this is Bruno and Dorothy's daughter it makes me sad that they have passed on as has the possible brother.

Hello Sleuthster, do you have any news about this lead?

 

[Sleuthster]

Hello Sleuthster, do you have any news about this lead?

No, but I did email the reporter who wrote the story I posted yesterday. I asked him to forward the info to whom ever he got the story from at LE.

 

[Cubby]

bump ..

 

[CarlK90245]

I noticed that anthrobones mentioned Debora Sue Lowe, but no indication that she was called in, and she is not listed as a rule-out in NamUs.

NamUs UP Case 1342 https://identifyus.org/cases/1342
Debora Sue Lowe http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lowe_debora.html

She is a little doubtful because of the eye color and height, but I would think that if they checked out Jamie Grisim and Cynthia Coon (who both have brown eyes and are a few inches taller than the UID and aren't from Florida), they would look at Debra Lowe.

Another one that I think deserves a look is Mary Ann Wesolowski

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wesolowski_mary.html

She has blue eyes, identical eyebrows, and her teeth are pretty close. And she is shorter than the UID at age 13, so she could have grown to the UID's height.

She's the right age, although the circumstances don't seem to suggest that she was a runaway.

The teeth are close considering that it is a drawing that the photo is being compared to. The chip in the tooth could have occurred after her disappearance. If that was a photo that I was comparing the teeth to, I'd probably say no.

 

[hollye]

I noticed that anthrobones mentioned Debora Sue Lowe, but no indication that she was called in, and she is not listed as a rule-out in NamUs.

NamUs UP Case 1342 https://identifyus.org/cases/1342
Debora Sue Lowe http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lowe_debora.html

She is a little doubtful because of the eye color and height, but I would think that if they checked out Jamie Grisim and Cynthia Coon (who both have brown eyes and are a few inches taller than the UID and aren't from Florida), they would look at Debra Lowe.

Another one that I think deserves a look is Mary Ann Wesolowski

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wesolowski_mary.html

She has blue eyes, identical eyebrows, and her teeth are pretty close. And she is shorter than the UID at age 13, so she could have grown to the UID's height.

She's the right age, although the circumstances don't seem to suggest that she was a runaway.

The teeth are close considering that it is a drawing that the photo is being compared to. The chip in the tooth could have occurred after her disappearance. If that was a photo that I was comparing the teeth to, I'd probably say no.

I think Debra Lowe definitely looks similar with the facial features. However, Mary Wesolowski's teeth appear very similar to me.

 

[CaseyLPC]

Based on these comparisons, I would definitely lean toward Mary Ann. The teeth are strikingly similar and the eye color matches. She also has the type of complection that would be prone to freckles, which it mentions the UID having. Just my $.02 though.

 

[Penny_Lane]

New to WS but just came across this thread Mary Ann Wesolowski's teeth do look similar to me as well. Although, I can not tell really in the pic what color her eyes are.

 

[Soulmagent]

Has Gail Joiner been ruled out for being this girl?

 

[CaseyLPC]

In the picture of her the light appears to be hitting the left eye on the inner side. From that point it appears that her eyes are a deep blue color, IMO. I could be wrong though...

 

[Donjeta]

Kathy Wilcox Namus page says her DNA tests are complete but no dentals.
https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/1832/1/

The Pinellas county UID https://identifyus.org/cases/1342
has dentals but no DNA. A sample exists but tests are not complete. (She only died less than forty years ago, it's still early days for doing that...) :banghead:
Cynthia Coon 1956 Michigan and Jamie Grissim 1955 Washington have been ruled out.

The Seminole county UID has no dentals on file, loose teeth were found nearby, but a DNA sample is complete and entered.
https://identifyus.org/cases/1341

 

[q64ceo]

BUMP

Lets do this

 

[DippyBlonder]

New info found.

First of all, she had another alias, Janice Marie Bromke.
Also, she may have been from Virginia or NC. I think she was from Cherry Hill,NJ and I will explain why in a minute.

A 24 yo man named Lawrence was charged in her death right after the incident.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=NL8MAAAAIBAJ&sjid=JGADAAAAIBAJ&pg=5936,2097037&dq=janice+bromke

I believe this is the same Lawrence (teddy)
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/05/12/SouthPinellas/Gulfport_looks_north_.shtml

Found him on knowx marrying this Katie.

Dont know if he was convicted.

Anyways, so I ran Janice Bromke. First of all there are only 9 Bromke's on ssdi. Not a common name.

Well it seems that there was a Dorothy born 1923 died 1997, google news shows she has a daughter named Janice listed but it doesnt show where she is. Dorothy was married to Bruno he died in 1996. Bruno had a son named (suprise) Bruno, who was a doctor and died suddenly in 2003 at age 58, he has a daughter named Janice who lives in NY, I have her married name dont want to print it here.
SO..... I believe that Janice Marie Bronke is our Janice and that her brother Bruno named his daughter after his sister.
I also believe that this was a prominent family and the stigmatism that Janice ran away made them refrain from persuing her missing.
Also, I have found that alot of info is missing on many of our cold cases that I looked up on this google news website. I am not sure why this name was omited and if this is Bruno and Dorothy's daughter it makes me sad that they have passed on as has the possible brother.

Going on from this:

Bruno Bromke (the father) was born in 1921, Dorothy Bromke (the mother) was born in 1923 and the other Bruno Bromke (the brother) was born in 1945.

The Doe calling herself Janice Marie Bromke was born between 1956-1959.

And geneologybank.com shows a J K Bromke born in 1946 who died in 1991 with the same birth place as Bruno Bromke (the brother).

So I suspect, J K Bromke is the real Janice Bromke and not our Doe - HOWEVER, as you say, Bromke is a very rare name! It is very likely that our Doe came from Camden, New Jersey and knew the real Janice Bromke. The only other Bromkes were the great/grandparents that came from Pennsylvania but they either died or moved to Camden. There are no other Bromkes anywhere else.

So our Jane Doe has a connection to Camden somehow. All we have to do now is figure out how she knew the real Janice Bromke or why she came up with that name. :banghead:

friends knew her as "Cindy", "Maria" or "Marie"

One of those is probably her real name.

DP

 

[Sleuthster]

Is there a Marie or Mary on the family list?

The fact that Bromke is such a unique last name makes me think it is atleast her last name or tied to her family in some way.

I did find a Mary Bromke 1899-1986 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=29253157 From Camden.

I wonder if they are Amish or Mennonite. Bellmawr has an Amish community and stores according to google.