FL FL - Weeki Wachee, UncMale Adult, UP61218, co-mingled with another homicide victim, Mar'81

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Female
Uncertain
Date Body Found: March 19, 1981
Location Found: Weeki Wachee, Florida
Estimated Age Range: --


Case Information

Case Numbers
NCMEC Number: --
ME/C Case Number: 2019-02036

Demographics
Sex: Female
Race / Ethnicity: Uncertain

Possible First Name: --
Possible Middle Name: --
Possible Last Name: --
Possible Nickname: --

Estimated Age Group: Adult
Estimated Age Range (Years): --
Estimated Year of Death: 1975-1980
Estimated PMI: --

Height: Cannot Estimate
Weight: Cannot Estimate

Circumstances
Type: Unidentified Deceased
Date Body Found: March 19, 1981

NamUs Case Created: October 30, 2019
ME/C QA Reviewed: --

Location Found Map
Location: Weeki Wachee, Florida 34606
County: Hernando County
GPS Coordinates (Not Mapped): --
Found On Tribal Land: No

Circumstances of Recovery:
Skeletal elements of this decedent were found co-mingled with another homicide victim. Four other victims were found on the same property.

Details of Recovery
Inventory of Remains:

- Torso not recovered
- One or more limbs not recovered
- One or both hands not recovered​

Condition of Remains: Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only

Physical Description
Hair Color: Unknown
Head Hair Description: --
Body Hair Description: --
Facial Hair Description: --

Left Eye Color: Unknown
Right Eye Color: Unknown
Eye Description: --

Distinctive Physical Features
No Information Entered

Clothing and Accessories
No Information Entered

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

I believe this UID is related to these cases:

FL - FL - Weeki Wachee, WhtFem UP12589, 20-30, SK victim, in shallow grave, Mar'81

FL - FL - Hernando Co, WhtFem, 20-30, Weeki Wachee, UP12579, 3 Apr 1981

FL - FL - Weeki Wachee, UnsUnc UP61264, adult, co-mingled w/another victim, est.YoD 1975-1981, Apr'81

 

[victoriarobinson642]

Well, this is very non-specific.

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

So, they are William Mansfield victims?

On March 16, 1981, Hernando County deputies descended on the Mansfield home at Weeki Wachee Acres, bearing warrants for a search of the premises. Tipsters had informed them that a missing woman, 21-year-old Sandra Graham, of Tampa, might be buried on the property, and officers came prepared for full-scale excavation.

The first female skeleton, unearthed on March 17, was identified only as a white woman in her twenties. Number two, discovered a week later, was that of 15-year-old Elaine Zeigler, a tourist from Ohio who disappeared from a nearby campground on New Year's Eve 1975. Another "Jane Doe" surfaced on April 3, but authorities got lucky with the next skeleton, four days later, finally identifying the remains of Sandra Graham.

Two of the junkyard victims remain unidentified today, but Mansfield is also a suspect in other Florida homicides.

Ironically, police maintain that William Mansfield, Sr. - serving 30 years on a plea bargain to charges of child molestation - is not implicated in the series of murders. Neither, apparently, is Mansfield's mother, who claims total ignorance of the corpses planted within 40 feet of her home. No further skeletons were found at Weeki Wachee, and the excavations were abandoned by police in mid-April 1980.

But we have four UID NamUs entries? Are they doublets, or are there four Does? A bit confused now.

 

[victoriarobinson642]

So, they are William Mansfield victims?

The first female skeleton, unearthed on March 17, was identified only as a white woman in her twenties
The NAMUS entry says March 19th, but I assume this is UP61218.

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

The first female skeleton, unearthed on March 17, was identified only as a white woman in her twenties
The NAMUS entry says March 19th, but I assume this is UP61218.

Well spotted. The two April ones were both on the third. It seems like there are four respective Does and the entries are correct, but as I understand just two of the Does remained unidentified, and the other two were identified. So, were they misidentified, or are these two UIDs a separate set of remains found in the same town, about the same time?

 

[Bit of hope]

They found four bodies, two of whom have been identified as Sandra Graham and a 15-year-old named Elaine Zegler.There are some inconsistencies about the date (3/17 and 3/19) found but I think the Jane Doe in this thread was the first unearthed.

Actual there was a fifth victim but she was found earlier.

Thirty years ago, William “Billy” Mansfield Jr. was convicted of first-degree murder for the death of Renee Saling, whom he met at a Watsonville bar in December 1980. Investigators said 25-year-old Mansfield raped Saling, strangled her and left her body in a ditch. The partially undressed body of Saling, a 29-year-old mother of three, was found dumped along Buena Vista Road on the morning of Dec. 7, 1980.

Parole denied for Billy Mansfield, convicted in 1982 of killing five women in California, Florida – Santa Cruz Sentinel

MANSFIELD”S VICTIMS

Florida authorities began searching the Mansfield property in March 1981, after a tip from a confidential informant. They first found the body of a teenage girl in a shallow grave about 40 feet from a trailer used by the Mansfield family. The skeleton had a wire wrapped around its neck. A second skeleton, also a teenage girl, was found shortly afterward, and then two more bodies.

The bodies eventually would be identified as 21-year-old Sandra Jean Graham of Tampa, who was last seen leaving a bar there on April 26, 1980 and Elaine Ziegler, a 15-year-old Ohio girl had been camping in Florida with her parents. Two others have not been identified.

 

[Bit of hope]

Sandra Jean Graham is said to have died on 26 April 1980, but that's not the day she was found, its her missing date.

Sandra Jean Graham
GEBOORTE 5 Jan 1959
Tampa, Hillsborough County, Florida, USA
OVERLIJDEN 26 Apr 1980 (leeftijd 21)
Weeki Wachee, Hernando County, Florida, USA

Fourth buried body identified as missing woman
WEEKI WACHEE, Fla. -- Investigators who dug up the bodies of four women around the trailer home of a convicted sex offender say details provided by an informant are proving so accurate they are certain of finding at least two more bodies.

A body found Tuesday in a shallow grave on the junk-littered 5-acre property of the Mansfield family was identified Wednesday as that of Sandra Jean Graham, a 21-year-old divorcee who disappeared from a lounge in West Tampa last April 26.

The last two bodies recovered were found within 3 feet of each other, and a police source said an informant had told officers last month that they would find two women buried close together.

Clipping from Tampa Bay Times - Newspapers.com

Ziegler was the second skeleton they found, according to this newspaper clipping. A false tooth and specific jewelry did "the trick".

It's all very confusing, the different threads....there are only two bodies unidentified, it looks like the threads are either never edited or/and they are double. Still not totally clear. As I see it, the first and the third body found are still unidentified.

But indeed there are four unidentified females still listed in Namus...with the same dates and circumstances. Did they find two more bodies or other parts (besides the four they found initially, two unidentified left) of different women or are they messing things up?

 

[Bit of hope]

OK, after some research...I believe the Jane Doe mentioned in this thread is not the first of 4 initially found but additional remains found in the same location. Sorry, for the confusion caused in my previous post #7.

The initial four found.

There are 2 entries in Namus dated June 15, 2014
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

I believe this is victim nr. 1 found on March 19, she had a pendant with a heart (she is one of the initial 4 found).

Thread for this Jane Doe FL - FL - Weeki Wachee, WhtFem UP12589, 20-30, SK victim, in shallow grave, Mar'81

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) I believe this is victim nr 3, found April 3 (she is one of the initial 4 found)

Thread for this Jane Doe FL - FL - Hernando Co, WhtFem, 20-30, Weeki Wachee, UP12579, 3 Apr 1981

Victim nr. 2 is identified as Sandra Jean Graham
Victim nr. 4 is identified as Elaine Ziegler

NamUs Case Created October 30, 2019
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

This is a new entry. The circumstances say "Skeletal elements of this decedent were found co-mingled with another homicide victim. Four other victims were found on the same property". So this must be other remains found beside the initial four.

The Jane Doe in this thread.

NamUs Case Created November 1, 2019
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
This is also a new entry.

The thread for this Jane Doe FL - FL - Weeki Wachee, UnsUnc UP61264, adult, co-mingled w/another victim, est.YoD 1975-1981, Apr'81

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

OK, after some research...I believe the Jane Doe mentioned in this thread is not the first of 4 initially found but additional remains found in the same location. Sorry, for the confusion caused in my previous post #7.

The initial four found.

There are 2 entries in Namus dated June 15, 2014
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

I believe this is victim nr. 1 found on March 19, she had a pendant with a heart (she is one of the initial 4 found).

Thread for this Jane Doe FL - FL - Weeki Wachee, WhtFem UP12589, 20-30, SK victim, in shallow grave, Mar'81

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) I believe this is victim nr 3, found April 3 (she is one of the initial 4 found)

Thread for this Jane Doe FL - FL - Hernando Co, WhtFem, 20-30, Weeki Wachee, UP12579, 3 Apr 1981

Victim nr. 2 is identified as Sandra Jean Graham
Victim nr. 4 is identified as Elaine Ziegler

NamUs Case Created October 30, 2019
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

This is a new entry. The circumstances say "Skeletal elements of this decedent were found co-mingled with another homicide victim. Four other victims were found on the same property". So this must be other remains found beside the initial four.

The Jane Doe in this thread.

NamUs Case Created November 1, 2019
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
This is also a new entry.

The thread for this Jane Doe FL - FL - Weeki Wachee, UnsUnc UP61264, adult, co-mingled w/another victim, est.YoD 1975-1981, Apr'81

Could it be that the initial Jane Does' bones were DNA tested and it turned out not belonging to either of them, but two additional victims (therefore the term "co-mingled")?

 

[Bit of hope]

Could it be that the initial Jane Does' bones were DNA tested and it turned out not belonging to either of them, but two additional victims (therefore the term "co-mingled")?

Most likely. Back then tipsters allegedly said that they would find the remains of 6 persons...so they probably did.

 

[Rockfarmer]

...

This is a new entry. The circumstances say "Skeletal elements of this decedent were found co-mingled with another homicide victim. Four other victims were found on the same property". So this must be other remains found beside the initial four.

RSBM
I think you are right. These "co-mingled" remains plus the four others. This linked article says "...a "small sack" of human bones beneath the fireplace at the family's mobile home."
Mansfield bones beneath fireplace - Newspapers.com

 

[Johnrein96]

Now there is more remains being removed from the yard

 

[Bit of hope]

Now there is more remains being removed from the yard

Can you post a source. Thank you!

 

[Skully]

the press ran an article that remains were found. As of now, this is false. No remains have been found on the property with this newest search. Back in 81 they found four, two identified, two UID.

 

[Bit of hope]

the press ran an article that remains were found. As of now, this is false. No remains have been found on the property with this newest search. Back in 81 they found four, two identified, two UID.

Can you post a source please. When was the so called newest search?

 

[jexpar]

This article from the recent searches says they found "suspicious items" but that they are doing testing and have not specified what said items are. So apparently they are doing more searches at the property, we just don't know what they are looking for or what, if anything, they have found.

Billy Mansfield: Brother’s drug bust leads to ‘suspicious’ find on property of Florida serial killer

 

[Johnrein96]

the press ran an article that remains were found. As of now, this is false. No remains have been found on the property with this newest search. Back in 81 they found four, two identified, two UID.

The cops are always hush hush about this family they always do press conferences with in a hr of something like this happing anywhere else in Hernando but this family they have said nothing and multiple times they have arrested them and never said like that would if it was me they arrested and the sheriff himself has been there every day he don’t do that on nothing there’s something more then just digging happening trust me ik that family has more on the property and this is the third time Gary would have snitched to save his ass against his bro he more then likely did it and still is cuz he has many arrested for vop and poss firearm by felon

 

[Johnrein96]

This article from the recent searches says they found "suspicious items" but that they are doing testing and have not specified what said items are. So apparently they are doing more searches at the property, we just don't know what they are looking for or what, if anything, they have found.

Billy Mansfield: Brother’s drug bust leads to ‘suspicious’ find on property of Florida serial killer

They won’t say but it’s more then likely bones but we’re waiting to see

 

[Mrs. Badcrumble]

NamUs just updated this Doe as male.