GA - Katherine Janness, 40, fatally stabbed and dog killed, Piedmont Park, Atlanta, 28 Jul 2021 #4

[TL4S]

If LE thought the killer wrote that word on the utility box, do you think they would leave it there? There is other obvious profanity on it, as well, but I can't tell if it's been cleaned off, or if it was scratched in? I'm not sure any of it is related to the crime, although the K9s did hit on that box. But as has been pointed out, that box is visible on the 10th and CA camera, so whatever, or whomever, the K9s were hitting on is on film.

 

[Pandasleuth2]

If LE thought the killer wrote that word on the utility box, do you think they would leave it there? There is other obvious profanity on it, as well, but I can't tell if it's been cleaned off, or if it was scratched in? I'm not sure any of it is related to the crime, although the K9s did hit on that box. But as has been pointed out, that box is visible on the 10th and CA camera, so whatever, or whomever, the K9s were hitting on is on film.

I am curious as to the reasoning that LE would show videos of “potential witnesses” to the crime, but none of the screen captures of KJ in other locations? Surely there were cameras on the buildings of all of the places she passes? Shouldn’t she have been seen on camera leaving the restaurant EC works at ? Why post all the other screen shots, except those?

 

[PrairieWind]

I am curious as to the reasoning that LE would show videos of “potential witnesses” to the crime, but none of the screen captures of KJ in other locations? Surely there were cameras on the buildings of all of the places she passes? Shouldn’t she have been seen on camera leaving the restaurant EC works at ? Why post all the other screen shots, except those?

I can only assume that there weren't any other video/photos of her, or the police deemed of no real help in disclosing to the public. I believe the Rainbow Crosswalk photo was made public because police said it was the last known photo of her and Bowie. It gives a last known location and time and direction of travel. That would be helpful to the public in making someone say "hey I was in that area and saw her, or saw no one," etc. A pic of her leaving a restaurant earlier doesn't help much.

 

[Quell]

I can only assume that there weren't any other video/photos of her, or the police deemed of no real help in disclosing to the public. I believe the Rainbow Crosswalk photo was made public because police said it was the last known photo of her and Bowie. It gives a last known location and time and direction of travel. That would be helpful to the public in making someone say "hey I was in that area and saw her, or saw no one," etc. A pic of her leaving a restaurant earlier doesn't help much.

They announced that it was the last known photo of Katie and Bowie at that time ---which was ultra early in the investigation.

It's possible other footage has been identified since then.

 

[AtlantaBourne]

I am curious as to the reasoning that LE would show videos of “potential witnesses” to the crime, but none of the screen captures of KJ in other locations? Surely there were cameras on the buildings of all of the places she passes? Shouldn’t she have been seen on camera leaving the restaurant EC works at ? Why post all the other screen shots, except those?

Excellent point. There should have been other cameras before & after the rainbow crosswalk photo. There are several businesses on Piedmont & on 10th that have visible cameras on Google street view. Speculating that if LE released 11 photos & 4 videos of 6 potential witnesses, why couldn't more photos of KJ & B be released to show when & where they actually were. This might assist unknown witnesses, passersby, employees or residents on Piedmont & on 10th remember something that could help the investigation.
JMO

 

[Pandasleuth2]

Can someone help me make sense of the timeline. The timeline, IMO. Please correct me, because I’m trying to figure it out:

12:09- KJ was on camera at the rainbow crosswalk at 10th. (Takes 10-15 minutes to get to Piedmont park from Henry’s )
-Walks dog along trail, inside park from the 10th entrance…
-was planning on then walking home- Which according to google maps takes another 22-24 minutes, depending how fast you walk.

so in reality, she wasn’t expected to be back home until at least 12:45….

so how was she presumed “missing” at like 12:30 to 1:00? That’s only like 10 minutes to 15 at most that she would have been late getting home? Just by the fact that it takes that long to walk from 10th, through the whole park to the Charles Allen gate, and then all the way to her house? It takes 7 minutes on a bike….so walking is much, much longer.

 

[fred&edna]

Can someone help me make sense of the timeline. The timeline, IMO. Please correct me, because I’m trying to figure it out:

12:09- KJ was on camera at the rainbow crosswalk at 10th. (Takes 10-15 minutes to get to Piedmont park from Henry’s )
-Walks dog along trail, inside park from the 10th entrance…
-was planning on then walking home- Which according to google maps takes another 22-24 minutes, depending how fast you walk.

so in reality, she wasn’t expected to be back home until at least 12:45….

so how was she presumed “missing” at like 12:30 to 1:00? That’s only like 10 minutes to 15 at most that she would have been late getting home? Just by the fact that it takes that long to walk from 10th, through the whole park to the Charles Allen gate, and then all the way to her house? It takes 7 minutes on a bike….so walking is much, much longer.

That makes me wonder... Am I correct in remembering JC stating that EC arrived at the park at 12:57?

I've just assumed that KJ wasn't responding to EC and EC became concerned (as that was not typical)... not that EC considered KJ was "missing". But if the times are correct, it does seem quick.

 

[Pandasleuth2]

That makes me wonder... Am I correct in remembering JC stating that EC arrived at the park at 12:57?

I've just assumed that KJ wasn't responding to EC and EC became concerned (as that was not typical)... not that EC considered KJ was "missing". But if the times are correct, it does seem quick.

If she were at the rainbow crosswalk at 12:10…..by the time she walked alllll the way to the area in which she was found (assuming she was killed there and not placed there) then that adds another 10-15 min. So now it’s around 12:20-12:30. Her phone wasn’t “moving” about that time….so that means she was literally killed right on the spot. At the Charles Allen gate area. Like immediately upon arriving there. As if someone was waiting for her…

Also, walking home from Henry’s would be easier and faster to just take 10th down to her house…..not Charles Allen drive. So, what I’m trying to ask is….WHY did she choose to walk through the park and take the longest way home possible, when she could have just walked the down 10th. I mean, there is plenty of grassy areas along her route. Why add 20 minutes or more to your nightly walk? Wouldn’t she want to get home quicker to see EC? Knowing EC was getting off work in 20 minutes?

 

[Jade]

EC became concerned when KJ and Bowie didn’t show back up to walk home together.

Late Tuesday, Janness had stopped by Henry’s Midtown Tavern, where Clark was working. After Janness and Bowie walked, they planned to return to meet Clark and walk home together. But when Clark was ready to head home, Janness didn’t answer her phone. And she wasn’t at home.
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Woman killed at Piedmont Park remembered as intelligent, gentle, kind

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[Lissie11]

I have not seen or heard of Atl PD commenting that the victim knew her killer. They have not ruled anything out. EC was working & I am sure co-workers, possibly customers, have been interviewed by LE as to what time she left work, etc. Surely Henry's Tavern has some type of working times accounting. Also she was riding a bicycle when she did leave work & when she was looking for KJ. I am sure she was caught on several cameras, especially the one at 10th & Piedmont, with time stamps. Her red bike was laying in the middle of the crime scene. Given the amount of time she was detained (for lack of a better term) by LE that morning, I would speculate she was ruled out as a suspect early on in the investigation. I would also speculate that whoever killed KJ & Bowie would not have fared well sitting in the back of a LE vehicle for several hrs at the crime scene & then questioned for several more hrs at a precinct. If for some reason she did do it, I don't think she would have hung around, w/blood from the victims on her, & called 911. I think she would have gone home, cleaned up & acted shocked when LE came to the door. IMO EC had a window of opportunity of about 20 minutes & that window of time has been accounted for by digital or electronic evidence.
The long-time Atlanta news reporter, Morse Diggs, is known for his 'dapper' style of clothes. IMO when he states LE doesn't believe the killer will try & run, I speculate it is because their suspect is already in custody or deceased.
JMOO
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She hasn't been ruled out as a suspect by LE. you speculate incorrectly. EC "left work" around the same time as Katie was seen on video according to her own statements. How do you know she was riding a bike when she left work? how do you know she was caught on cameras with time stamps? actually, she has a window of over an hour and i have never heard that time has been accounted for by digital or electronic evidence, ever.

Can someone help me make sense of the timeline. The timeline, IMO. Please correct me, because I’m trying to figure it out:

12:09- KJ was on camera at the rainbow crosswalk at 10th. (Takes 10-15 minutes to get to Piedmont park from Henry’s )
-Walks dog along trail, inside park from the 10th entrance…
-was planning on then walking home- Which according to google maps takes another 22-24 minutes, depending how fast you walk.

so in reality, she wasn’t expected to be back home until at least 12:45….

so how was she presumed “missing” at like 12:30 to 1:00? That’s only like 10 minutes to 15 at most that she would have been late getting home? Just by the fact that it takes that long to walk from 10th, through the whole park to the Charles Allen gate, and then all the way to her house? It takes 7 minutes on a bike….so walking is much, much longer.

Great point!

 

[Lissie11]

EC became concerned when KJ and Bowie didn’t show back up to walk home together.

Late Tuesday, Janness had stopped by Henry’s Midtown Tavern, where Clark was working. After Janness and Bowie walked, they planned to return to meet Clark and walk home together. But when Clark was ready to head home, Janness didn’t answer her phone. And she wasn’t at home.
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Woman killed at Piedmont Park remembered as intelligent, gentle, kind

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According to partner they were never to walk home together.
EXCLUSIVE: Partner of woman found slain in Piedmont Park pleads for APD to clear her name

 

[AtlantaBourne]

Can someone help me make sense of the timeline. The timeline, IMO. Please correct me, because I’m trying to figure it out:

12:09- KJ was on camera at the rainbow crosswalk at 10th. (Takes 10-15 minutes to get to Piedmont park from Henry’s )
-Walks dog along trail, inside park from the 10th entrance…
-was planning on then walking home- Which according to google maps takes another 22-24 minutes, depending how fast you walk.

so in reality, she wasn’t expected to be back home until at least 12:45….

so how was she presumed “missing” at like 12:30 to 1:00? That’s only like 10 minutes to 15 at most that she would have been late getting home? Just by the fact that it takes that long to walk from 10th, through the whole park to the Charles Allen gate, and then all the way to her house? It takes 7 minutes on a bike….so walking is much, much longer.

The timeline has always been a problem for me.
If KJ & B left Henry's at 10th & Juniper around 11:35 as EC stated in last interview (11alivenews-partner of KJ asks Atl PD to clear her)
& walked to 10th & Piedmont. She should have arrived at the rainbow crosswalk around 11:50. There's 19 minutes unaccounted for.
She crosses 10th in a northerly direction, staying on Piedmont. At that point we don't know if she continued down Piedmont or turned right to go down 10th, having to cross Piedmont in an easterly direction.
EC thought she would be home when she got home. I would speculate EC did not know KJ was going to the park. There has never been any public statement regarding what time EC left work or what time she got home except EC stated in 1st interview w/CBS46 news she left work about an hour after KJ & B stpped by to say hi.
At the vigil for KJ & B, JC stated that EC found them at 12:57am.
In a recent interview JC stated EC found them at 1:09.
So IMO there are quite a few missing pieces to the timeline & locations that would make sleuthing this case easier.
JMO.

 

[Jade]

According to partner they were never to walk home together.
EXCLUSIVE: Partner of woman found slain in Piedmont Park pleads for APD to clear her name

Well, that's interesting.


In the People article Joe Clark is the source of that tidbit:

Joe Clark said Janness regularly listened to podcasts as she walked in the park, and felt safe doing so even as Emma Clark urged her to carry pepper spray.

Late on Tuesday evening, he says Janness, who worked as a bartender at both an Italian restaurant and an improv theater, stopped by a tavern where Emma Clark worked. The two women made plans to meet up again later and walk home together from Emma Clark's workplace. But when that time arrived, Janness didn't show up, wasn't answering her phone, and didn't pick up at their residence.

That's when Emma Clark traced the phone to the park and went looking for Janness inside of it.
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'There Is a Monster on the Loose': FBI Investigates Killing of Atlanta Woman and Dog She Was Walking



all imo

 

[fred&edna]

If she were at the rainbow crosswalk at 12:10…..by the time she walked alllll the way to the area in which she was found (assuming she was killed there and not placed there) then that adds another 10-15 min. So now it’s around 12:20-12:30. Her phone wasn’t “moving” about that time….so that means she was literally killed right on the spot. At the Charles Allen gate area. Like immediately upon arriving there. As if someone was waiting for her…

Also, walking home from Henry’s would be easier and faster to just take 10th down to her house…..not Charles Allen drive. So, what I’m trying to ask is….WHY did she choose to walk through the park and take the longest way home possible, when she could have just walked the down 10th. I mean, there is plenty of grassy areas along her route. Why add 20 minutes or more to your nightly walk? Wouldn’t she want to get home quicker to see EC? Knowing EC was getting off work in 20 minutes?

It seems very possible KJ dropped by to see/chat with someone (at their home or work) before returning home.

 

[Quell]

If she were at the rainbow crosswalk at 12:10…..by the time she walked alllll the way to the area in which she was found (assuming she was killed there and not placed there) then that adds another 10-15 min. So now it’s around 12:20-12:30. Her phone wasn’t “moving” about that time….so that means she was literally killed right on the spot. At the Charles Allen gate area. Like immediately upon arriving there. As if someone was waiting for her…

Also, walking home from Henry’s would be easier and faster to just take 10th down to her house…..not Charles Allen drive. So, what I’m trying to ask is….WHY did she choose to walk through the park and take the longest way home possible, when she could have just walked the down 10th. I mean, there is plenty of grassy areas along her route. Why add 20 minutes or more to your nightly walk? Wouldn’t she want to get home quicker to see EC? Knowing EC was getting off work in 20 minutes?

Well, that's interesting.


In the People article Joe Clark is the source of that tidbit:

Joe Clark said Janness regularly listened to podcasts as she walked in the park, and felt safe doing so even as Emma Clark urged her to carry pepper spray.

Late on Tuesday evening, he says Janness, who worked as a bartender at both an Italian restaurant and an improv theater, stopped by a tavern where Emma Clark worked. The two women made plans to meet up again later and walk home together from Emma Clark's workplace. But when that time arrived, Janness didn't show up, wasn't answering her phone, and didn't pick up at their residence.

That's when Emma Clark traced the phone to the park and went looking for Janness inside of it.
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'There Is a Monster on the Loose': FBI Investigates Killing of Atlanta Woman and Dog She Was Walking



all imo

Confounding, indeed. Thank you for linking these in.

 

[PrairieWind]

EC became concerned when KJ and Bowie didn’t show back up to walk home together.

Late Tuesday, Janness had stopped by Henry’s Midtown Tavern, where Clark was working. After Janness and Bowie walked, they planned to return to meet Clark and walk home together. But when Clark was ready to head home, Janness didn’t answer her phone. And she wasn’t at home.
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Woman killed at Piedmont Park remembered as intelligent, gentle, kind

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That was my thoughts. Katie and Bowie had already been out on a fairly long walk, but went to the park to just kill some time waiting for EC to get off work.

 

[dotr]

That was my thoughts. Katie and Bowie had already been out on a fairly long walk, but went to the park to just kill some time waiting for EC to get off work.

Maybe even to finish listening to a podcast , egads- hope it was not a murder mystery, imo.

 

[TL4S]

This is me being nitpicky, but let's for a moment say she was going back to Henry's to walk home with EC. Google Maps shows 8 minutes from rainbow crosswalk to 10th and CA, and 11 minutes from 10th and CA to Henry's. Okay, so 12:09 plus 19 minutes puts KJ back to Henry's approx 12:30, which is basically exactly that 1 hour EC said she got off of work after seeing KJ around 11:30. That seems kind of logical. But here's where I get nitpicky. Whether she walked along 10th or inside the park, if the CA entrance was her turnaround spot, why was she on the east side of the road inside the park, by the restroom? Why would she not follow the trail to sidewalk entrance and turn around without ever even going into that road? The restroom locks at 11pm and I'm sure she knew that.

Was she buying a drink at the vending? Was she lured over there by somebody? Was Bowie loose? Was she chased?

This detail really bothers me. I'm weird like that.

 

[PrairieWind]

The timeline has always been a problem for me.
If KJ & B left Henry's at 10th & Juniper around 11:35 as EC stated in last interview (11alivenews-partner of KJ asks Atl PD to clear her)
& walked to 10th & Piedmont. She should have arrived at the rainbow crosswalk around 11:50. There's 19 minutes unaccounted for.
She crosses 10th in a northerly direction, staying on Piedmont. At that point we don't know if she continued down Piedmont or turned right to go down 10th, having to cross Piedmont in an easterly direction.
EC thought she would be home when she got home. I would speculate EC did not know KJ was going to the park. There has never been any public statement regarding what time EC left work or what time she got home except EC stated in 1st interview w/CBS46 news she left work about an hour after KJ & B stpped by to say hi.
At the vigil for KJ & B, JC stated that EC found them at 12:57am.
In a recent interview JC stated EC found them at 1:09.
So IMO there are quite a few missing pieces to the timeline & locations that would make sleuthing this case easier.
JMO.

Agree. After leaving Henry's (assuming the time given by EC was accurate) Katie and Bowie went somewhere else, crossed to the south side of 10th, and then came back to be caught on camera crossing 10th back to the north side. Assuming she crossed 10th, then Piedmont and continued along 10th to enter the park at the SW corner, (which I think is the most likely route) they could have arrived in the vicinity of the CA gate about 12:25-12:27. I think the attack occurred then or shortly thereafter and lasted a couple minutes.
I do think the timeline is critical in this case. So the time KJ left Henry's and when EC left, and when EC saw KJ's phones wasn't movie, when she arrived at the park, time of the 911 call, all of those are important down to the minute. I'm sure the police have that timeline all pinned down, but it is still vague in the media reports as far as I can tell. We have the time on the rainbow crossing photo, but we are just assuming that time stamp is accurate. We have the time stamps on the CA gate photos and I think we can safely assume those are accurate. And I think we have the time of the 911 call correct? Anyone remember?

 

[ElectricZZ]

The timeline has always been a problem for me.
If KJ & B left Henry's at 10th & Juniper around 11:35 as EC stated in last interview (11alivenews-partner of KJ asks Atl PD to clear her)
& walked to 10th & Piedmont. She should have arrived at the rainbow crosswalk around 11:50. There's 19 minutes unaccounted for.
She crosses 10th in a northerly direction, staying on Piedmont. At that point we don't know if she continued down Piedmont or turned right to go down 10th, having to cross Piedmont in an easterly direction.
EC thought she would be home when she got home. I would speculate EC did not know KJ was going to the park. There has never been any public statement regarding what time EC left work or what time she got home except EC stated in 1st interview w/CBS46 news she left work about an hour after KJ & B stpped by to say hi.
At the vigil for KJ & B, JC stated that EC found them at 12:57am.
In a recent interview JC stated EC found them at 1:09.
So IMO there are quite a few missing pieces to the timeline & locations that would make sleuthing this case easier.
JMO.

FWIW:

In this interview: EXCLUSIVE: Partner of woman found slain in Piedmont Park pleads for APD to clear her name The reporter says "Emma telling police she went home after work to see Katie after midnight."

In this interview (EXCLUSIVE: Full interview with partner of Katie Janness) EC states "Well, I didn't get home until about an hour after I saw her." which would mean 12:30 b/c she states KJ came by the restaurant at 11:30.

I, too, have had many problems with this timeline.

Questions I have:

1) How did JC know exactly what time (12:57a) that EC arrived at the park? That's a pretty specific time IMO
2) IF EC, in fact, did arrive at PP at 12:57, why did it take 13 minutes for EC to make the 911 call? B was in plain view and would have been spotted right away. 13 minutes is a lot of time to make the discovery and not call 911 IMO