Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #3

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Davieson said:
According to the Olive Press the incident took place after midnight. Is this correct?
If so, how well lit would the playground area have been ?
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The Sao Bartolomeu de Messines’ annual feria (festival) was on. Which would have presumably covered an area and lit accordingly. Which is why young children were still out and about with their parents after midnight.
 
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Denis R Tandib said:
I think this is the most clear cut of the current charges but FF has to try something and what other possible defence could he use.
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Apparently his client found the defence risible.

Apart from the fact of being bound by TRUTH particularly when under oath - sometimes there is nothing much to do other than plead guilty when caught absolutely in flagrante delicto with trousers round the ankles committing a sexual act.
  • CB was seen by children who described what was going on to their parent resulting on him being being arrested on the spot
  • it seems CB may have tried out the urination plea because the court was told the ground under the play equipment under which CB had been squatting was checked and found to be dry
  • what kind of deviant is it anyway who defends urinating in a children's' play area, particularly when children were at play? Makes one feel quite queasy
  • CB was in the company of another man, it will be interesting if that comes under scrutiny at the trial - or if CB's defence team have called him as witness
 
Denis R Tandib said:
I think this is the most clear cut of the current charges but FF has to try something and what other possible defence could he use.
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Yes. I'm getting rather tired of the outraged narrative - very much echoing JC's 'evil fiend!' one - that FF is somehow doing something outrageous and deserving of hand-wringing disapproval here. He's defending his client. That's his job. That he's very much up against it on this particular case is neither here nor there. Just part and parcel of the job he's employed to do.
 
Anxala said:
Yes. I'm getting rather tired of the outraged narrative - very much echoing JC's 'evil fiend!' one - that FF is somehow doing something outrageous and deserving of hand-wringing disapproval here. He's defending his client. That's his job. That he's very much up against it on this particular case is neither here nor there. Just part and parcel of the job he's employed to do.
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No doubt there'll be some outrage at CBs silence no doubt ignoring ,


nemo tenetur se ipsum accusare ,​

no one is bound to accuse himself (the right to silence)​

 
Mex said:
Apparently his client found the defence risible.

Apart from the fact of being bound by TRUTH particularly when under oath - sometimes there is nothing much to do other than plead guilty when caught absolutely in flagrante delicto with trousers round the ankles committing a sexual act.
  • CB was seen by children who described what was going on to their parent resulting on him being being arrested on the spot
  • it seems CB may have tried out the urination plea because the court was told the ground under the play equipment under which CB had been squatting was checked and found to be dry
  • what kind of deviant is it anyway who defends urinating in a children's' play area, particularly when children were at play? Makes one feel quite queasy
  • CB was in the company of another man, it will be interesting if that comes under scrutiny at the trial - or if CB's defence team have called him as witness
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We only have JC’s flagrantly biased view of what CB thought funny.

You also seem to be confusing the accused with his lawyer. It’s the latter’s job to defend his client.

In these circumstances, the accused was drunk, had dropped his pants and, according to the alleged victim, was not aroused at the time.

This scenario requires the defence to test whether or not the accused was urinating or masturbating - this is how the truth is established.

Whether JC or you think it’s fair or appropriate is of no consequence, it’s the legal process. If CB says he was urinating, it’s FF’s job to argue that point.
 
Denis R Tandib said:
We only have JC’s flagrantly biased view of what CB thought funny.

You also seem to be confusing the accused with his lawyer. It’s the latter’s job to defend his client.

In these circumstances, the accused was drunk, had dropped his pants and, according to the alleged victim, was not aroused at the time.

This scenario requires the defence to test whether or not the accused was urinating or masturbating - this is how the truth is established.

Whether JC or you think it’s fair or appropriate is of no consequence, it’s the legal process. If CB says he was urinating, it’s FF’s job to argue that point.
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Indeed; and the point you make is considered to be one of the disadvantages of the inquisitorial system v the adversarial system with which we Brits may be more familiar.

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  1. Lack of transparency and public scrutiny: Unlike the adversarial system, where trials are often open to the public, the inquisitorial system tends to be more closed and secretive. This can limit public scrutiny and accountability, potentially undermining public confidence in the judicial process.
  2. Limited role for the defense: In the inquisitorial system, the defense may have a more limited role compared to the adversarial system. The judge, as the primary investigator, controls the direction of the case, potentially limiting the ability of the defense to fully present its case or challenge the prosecution's evidence.
  3. Potential for inefficiency and delays: While the inquisitorial system can be more efficient in certain cases, critics argue that it can also lead to inefficiencies and delays. The extensive investigation conducted by the judge prior to trial may result in lengthy pre-trial procedures, potentially prolonging the time it takes to reach a verdict.

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Mex said:
Indeed; and the point you make is considered to be one of the disadvantages of the inquisitorial system v the adversarial system with which we Brits may be more familiar.

SNIP
  1. Lack of transparency and public scrutiny: Unlike the adversarial system, where trials are often open to the public, the inquisitorial system tends to be more closed and secretive. This can limit public scrutiny and accountability, potentially undermining public confidence in the judicial process.
  2. Limited role for the defense: In the inquisitorial system, the defense may have a more limited role compared to the adversarial system. The judge, as the primary investigator, controls the direction of the case, potentially limiting the ability of the defense to fully present its case or challenge the prosecution's evidence.
  3. Potential for inefficiency and delays: While the inquisitorial system can be more efficient in certain cases, critics argue that it can also lead to inefficiencies and delays. The extensive investigation conducted by the judge prior to trial may result in lengthy pre-trial procedures, potentially prolonging the time it takes to reach a verdict.

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Does the defendant even enter a plea in the German system? If so, when?
 
Wednesday, April 17th:
*Trial continues (Day 9) (@ 9am CET) – Germany/Portugal - Hazel Behan (20 @ time/now 40) (in her home, June 16, 2004, Praia de Rocha on the Algarve coast, 10 miles from Praia de Luz, Portimao, Portugal) - *Christian Stefan Brückner (Bruekner) (27 @ time of 1st crime (2004)/45/now 47) charged (Oct. 11, 2022) with sexual assault (suspect held a knife & brutally raped her. The accused then tied & gagged the woman to a table & raped her again. He then whipped the victim on the back with a whip he had brought with him & finally forcibly performed oral sex with the victim. The accused filmed large parts of the events with a video camera he had brought with him). Braunschweig Regional District Court
Germany/Portugal – *Charged (Oct. 11, 2022) & arrest warrant reinstated 11/18/22 - a 14 year old teenager (unknown victim) (on tape: assaulted/hit the naked girl with a whip. Said to have brutally forced the girl to have oral sex. The accused also videotaped this act). Took place between Dec. 28, 2000 to April 8, 2006 on the Praia da Luz, Algarve coast, Portugal.
Germany/Portugal - *Charged (Oct. 11, 2022) & arrest warrant reinstated 11/18/22 - an elderly woman 70-80 yrs old (unknown victim) a Tour Rep (tied up & raped the victim in her holiday apt. He then hit the victim several times with a whip. The accused is said to have recorded the entire event with a video camera). Took place around the same time (between Dec. 28, 2000 to April 8, 2006) on the Praia de Luz, Algarve coast, Portugal.
Germany/Portugal – *Charged (Oct. 11, 2022) & arrest warrant reinstated 11/18/22 - 10 year old German girl (Joana E.) (wearing only shoes & otherwise naked. He grabbed the child's wrist & began to perform masturbation movements on his naked penis). On Salema (Zalema) beach, near Praia de Luz, Portugal, April 7, 2007).
Germany/Portugal – *Charged (Oct. 11, 2022) & arrest warrant reinstated 11/18/22 – Ines VP (11 year old Portuguese girl) (pulled down his trousers & underpants & made masturbation movements on his naked penis in order to sexually arouse himself, until the frightened girl ran to her father for help. The suspect was arrested on the spot by the Portuguese police). Exposed himself in playpark, São Bartolomeu de Messines, June 11, 2017).
Trial began on February 16, 2024. (And continued on Feb. 23, Mar. 1, Mar. 14, Apr. 2, Apr. 10 & 4/12)
Trial dates: April 17, 19, 24, 25, May 2, 3, 8, 15, 16, 17, 21, 22, 23, 28, 29, June 4, 5, 6, 25, 26, July 5, August 5, 15, 16, Sept. 5, 26, 27, Oct. 2, 7, 8, 21 & Oct. 22, 2024. (Expected to last up to 8 months, it was 3 months).
Presiding Judge Dr. Engemann. Lead Prosecutor Ute Lindermann. Defense attorneys Dr. Friedrich Fülscher, Philipp Marquort, Dennis Bock & Atilla Aykac.
Brueckner is currently serving a 7 year sentence for the 2005 rape on a pensioner. While he is still the main suspect in Madeleine case, these above cases will be tried first & he will be charged with Madeleine later (maybe!)
Case info & charges & Brueckner info from June 1, 2020 thru Jan. 18, 2024 & Trial Day 1-7 (Feb. 16, Feb. 23, Mar. 1, Apr. 2, Apr. 5, Apr. 10 & Apr. 12) reference post #181 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...imes-praia-de-rocha-portugal-3.708597/page-10
April 12, 2024 Trial Day 8: Witnesses: Ines VP, the Portuguese girl told a court how Brueckner indecently exposed himself in front of her when she was just 11 years old. The girl, now an 18-year-old student, recalled her ordeal in the Algarve town of Sao Bartolomeu de Messines in 2017. Breaking down as she gave evidence via video link from Portugal, she told the court in Germany that Brueckner had exposed himself with children playing nearby. The girl's father, Vitor P. testified.
For more info see posts #190 & 191 (articles) (page 10/Thread #2) & post 207 (article) here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...imes-praia-de-rocha-portugal-3.708597/page-11
At least two other Portuguese teenagers & their parents are set to give evidence about the night at the annual Snail Festival over the forthcoming weeks. The trial continues this week with evidence from a former biker & tattoo artist & his girlfriend, who ran a holiday rental business in Santa Clara an hour inland from the Algarve. Two former girlfriends, Silke Becker & Marina Flache, are also still scheduled to take the stand.\
Trial continues on Wednesday, April 17, 2024 @ 9am.
 
Mex said:
Indeed; and the point you make is considered to be one of the disadvantages of the inquisitorial system v the adversarial system with which we Brits may be more familiar.

SNIP
  1. Lack of transparency and public scrutiny: Unlike the adversarial system, where trials are often open to the public, the inquisitorial system tends to be more closed and secretive. This can limit public scrutiny and accountability, potentially undermining public confidence in the judicial process.
  2. Limited role for the defense: In the inquisitorial system, the defense may have a more limited role compared to the adversarial system. The judge, as the primary investigator, controls the direction of the case, potentially limiting the ability of the defense to fully present its case or challenge the prosecution's evidence.
  3. Potential for inefficiency and delays: While the inquisitorial system can be more efficient in certain cases, critics argue that it can also lead to inefficiencies and delays. The extensive investigation conducted by the judge prior to trial may result in lengthy pre-trial procedures, potentially prolonging the time it takes to reach a verdict.

Legalstix Law School | Blogs | Adversarial vs. Inquisitorial Legal Systems: Exploring the Differences and Debates

Dive into the world of legal systems with our guide on the adversarial vs. inquisitorial debate. Explore the differences, principles, and debates surrounding these two prominent legal systems. Gain insights into how adversarial and inquisitorial systems operate, their impact on trials, and the...
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I don't see these as necessarily as disadvantages. The system is different but appears thorough and does not suffer from the randomness of a jury system .
 
The trial is open to the public. JC is reporting from the trial.

The defence counsel could make these submissions in either system - i don't see how there is any difference as regards this aspect of the case.
 
This is obviously the crime he was extradited from Portugal for in 2017 after the playground incident. Awful person… but the mother is crazy too.

www.mirror.co.uk

Madeleine McCann suspect 'sent mum sick messages about child, 4, on dating site'

A woman has told a German court that the suspect over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, Christian Brueckner, befriended her on a dating site and allegedly messaged her about her "cute" daughter
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk
 
Denis R Tandib said:
This is obviously the crime he was extradited from Portugal for in 2017 after the playground incident. Awful person… but the mother is crazy too.

www.mirror.co.uk

Madeleine McCann suspect 'sent mum sick messages about child, 4, on dating site'

A woman has told a German court that the suspect over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, Christian Brueckner, befriended her on a dating site and allegedly messaged her about her "cute" daughter
www.mirror.co.uk www.mirror.co.uk
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Am I missing something, can't see any mention of a crime against the child or mother.
 
RichardKimble said:
Am I missing something, can't see any mention of a crime against the child or mother.
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The story has been covered before. How he met the mother etc. the timing is right too. I’m pretty sure this is when the images of the daughter were found on the Casio camera in the kiosk apartment - he was found guilty for this crime.
 
Denis R Tandib said:
The story has been covered before. How he met the mother etc. the timing is right too. I’m pretty sure this is when the images of the daughter were found on the Casio camera in the kiosk apartment - he was found guilty for this crime.
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The article makes no mention though.I would have thought any photos would be the headline.
 
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