Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023

[DS2021]

something i dont understand
are these serial killings not all done by the same killer ? but possibly several but linked by location ?

I think that has always been a potential.

 

[FromGermany1]

When I am looking at his high school year book photo, I think, he is something, what we nowadays would call "nerd", probably very smart, but interested in one preferred theme. MOO

 

[Sheila Terranova]

If the arrest was a relief to him, he would have confessed. Instead he cried and denied involvement. Crying seems weird to me in this case. Serial killers are often perceived as emotionless when they get caught.

i bet he faked those tears. Were there actual tears?
Sociopaths have shallow emotions for others.
But enormous sympathy, self pity , for themselves. Poor little me. … look what you made me do! They also tend to be resentful of normal things, like paying taxes. And chaotic. He fits the bill to me….doesn’t like paying taxes. House is messy. Seeks pity. And apparently quite arrogant….posting when other architects fail, he is the solution to repairing their mistakes. I am thrilled to bits they caught him. And although he is still only the alleged murderer, the incredibly documented evidence, and his location, and personality characteristics, seem perfect.

 

[dotr]

'July 15, 2023

Suspect in Gilgo Beach Killings Led a Life of Chaos and Control

Rex Heuermann was painstaking in his Manhattan professional pursuits. At home in Massapequa Park, he left neighbors discomfited.

www.nytimes.com

Ginia Bellafante, Corey Kilgannon and Michael Wilson contributed reporting. Jack Begg contributed research.

''At his office near the Empire State Building, Rex Heuermann was a master of the meticulous: a veteran architectural consultant and a self-styled expert at navigating the intricacies of New York City’s building code. He impressed some clients and drove others crazy with his fine-toothed directives.
At home in Massapequa Park on Long Island, while some neighbors saw Mr. Heuermann as just another commuter in a suit, others found him a figure of menace. He glowered at neighbors
while swinging an ax in the front yard of a low-slung, dilapidated house that parents cautioned their children to avoid on Halloween. He was kicked out of a Whole Foods for stealing fruit.
“We would cross the street,” said Nicholas Ferchaw, 24, a neighbor. “He was somebody you don’t want to approach.”
On Friday, Suffolk County prosecutors said that residents of Massapequa Park had a serial killer living in their midst. They accused Mr. Heuermann, 59, of leaving a quarter-mile trail of young women’s bodies on the South Shore of Long Island in what came to be known as the Gilgo Beach Killings. Yet he was so careful in covering his tracks, they said, that it took them nearly 15 years to arrest him.

Mr. Heuermann’s friends and clients in the real estate business were flabbergasted.
His neighbor Mr. Ferchaw said, “I wasn’t surprised at all — because of all the creepiness.”

A yearbook photo of Mr. Heuermann from Berner High School in Massapequa.Credit...The New York Times

''Steve Kramberg, a property manager in Brooklyn who worked with Mr. Heuermann for about 30 years, called him “a gem to deal with, highly knowledgeable.” Mr. Heuermann was “a big goofy guy, a little bit on the nerdy side” who worked long hours and was available day and night, Mr. Kramberg said. But he was also devoted to his wife, who Mr. Kramberg said had health problems, and to his elderly mother.''

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''It was late last summer that Mr. Heuermann, sweaty and wearing a dingy T-shirt and shorts, was spotted at the Massapequa Park Whole Foods pilfering clementines from a bowl put out for children.

“He took three and put them in his pocket, then he took more,” said Tara Alonzo, a clerk at the store. After a few more rounds she called him out. “I said, ‘Sir, those are for the kids,’” she recalled. She said Mr. Heuermann yelled back and became so heated that her manager escorted him out.''

 

[Ann99]

really??? I see dead, soulless eyes

You’re right.
I should have said,” at a glance”. I was influenced by the dog. Wonder if others were too.
Surely if I were in his presence would have seen the dead soulless eyes.

 

[Jw192]

After the likes of this toad and crusty old GSK, I hope that every ratbag who is responsible for a cold case is now seriously sat quaking in their boots.

Time may pass aplenty but you'll all eventually get found out.

 

[Inthedetails]

sbm

“He took three and put them in his pocket, then he took more,” said Tara Alonzo, a clerk at the store. After a few more rounds she called him out. “I said, ‘Sir, those are for the kids,’” she recalled. She said Mr. Heuermann yelled back and became so heated that her manager escorted him out.''

Another hint at his personality. He took clementines intended for children and then likely argued over "rules" that it's not right to only have items for children and not everyone.

But, what really tells a lot to me is his willingness to yell at the store clerk. How people treat waitstaff, retail workers, etc. is an indictor of their character, imo.

And, I think he absolutely despises being "corrected."

jmo

 

[Vern]

His wife showed up at court yesterday so if she was out of town, it wasn't far. But I bet something was brewing that disturbed LE enough to arrest him after work. Good thinking.

jmo

I though that it was his ex-wife who showed up in court for some reason. Too much info for the brain in a day I guess!

 

[indicolite22]

No apparent RH's connection to other victims found in the same area so far. At least two earlier cases are likely connected with each other, Valerie Mack's (disappeared in 2000) and Jessica Taylor's (2003). Their partial remains were found in two locations, Manorville and near Gilgo Beach. (IMO)

 

[Vern]

I'm suspecting that he replaced his Colorado Avalanche with a Colorado Avalanche.

In the presser they thank the FBI for enabling them to seize his Colorado Avalanche in South Carolina. He has links to a brother there, so perhaps sold the murder-truck or gave it to him or traded it in and it ended up being purchased by someone now living in South Carolina.

But, it certainly is a Colorado Avalanche being towed out of his yard by Suffolk Police tow truck yesterday during the search (photo in linked article). EXCLUSIVE: Drone footage shows cops combing 'serial killer' backyard

 

[NicMed329]

We learned that he googled the progress of the investigation as well as his victims' relatives. Does this pertain to the four named victims or also others that were found in the area? If he only focused on the four, perhaps it's less likely that he was involved in earlier murders. OTOH, there could be more victims that we don't know of yet. Wouldn't he search for information about those cases as well? Maybe he did, just not recently. Would we learn about possible connections to other murders (apart from the location) before he gets charged for those? The MO seems different in other cases.

Not sure if someone addressed this, im just catching up, but it’s possible there are other google searches (names of other people who are outside of the G4) that are not beimg shared with the public. Imo they are investigating other potential victims as well but may not have enough info yet to be able to share.

 

[Inthedetails]

I'm suspecting that he replaced his Colorado Avalanche with a Colorado Avalanche.

In the presser they thank the FBI for enabling them to seize his Colorado Avalanche in South Carolina. He has links to a brother there, so perhaps sold the murder-truck or gave it to him or traded it in and it ended up being purchased by someone now living in South Carolina.

But, it certainly is a Colorado Avalanche being towed out of his yard by Suffolk Police tow truck yesterday during the search (photo in linked article). EXCLUSIVE: Drone footage shows cops combing 'serial killer' backyard

I'm wondering about the timing of seizing the vehicle in SC. If it was indeed owned by a family member, I guess they wouldn't necessarily know why FBI took the vehicle. Or it was no longer owned by family member, if it ever was.

Very curious about the investigative timeline that ensnared the perp. Things seemed to move quickly, especially with the decision to arrest him this week.

jmo

 

[JerseyGirl]

Video shows Long Island serial killer suspect taken into custody

The moment that plain clothes NYPD officers apprehended serial killer suspect Rex Heuermann on a crowded Midtown Manhattan street was caught on camera.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Ann99]

No apparent RH's connection to other victims found in the same area so far. At least two earlier cases are likely connected with each other, Valerie Mack's (disappeared in 2000) and Jessica Taylor's (2003). Their partial remains were found in two locations, Manorville and near Gilgo Beach. (IMO)

I listened to a few old podcasts last night and heard about this. Gruesome.
Speculation on my part.
These could have been earlier victims of RH, but the manner of disposal was so time consuming, gory, risky, that he developed a more simple method. Again. Just a thought. We will see what they find in his back yard.

Edited to add. Also Both areas are in or on the edge of a designated Protected Wildlife Park area.
I believe this kind of designation can cause conflict between LE and other Govt. agencies as to jurisdiction.
Being the ‘ Genius’ that he thought himself to be, he would know this detail and the advantage it could give in lack of or delay of discovery

 

[Cryptic]

I think, it's an indictment of poverty for a self-employed man (and in addition an architect!), the front and back of the house. And in my mind, it is a little bit creepy already, if I am not willing to have clients and associates as guests in my home. It's not the usual way to have a career (and to have the acc. income).

I think it depends on the career and type of architect.

The suspect did not work in careers such as sales or stock brokerages where personal contacts are important and entertaining associates and clients at home is common. Likewise, he did not design buildings, thus no need to have guests over to show case his skills.

Rather, his specialty was apparently pure and unadulterated.... paperwork regarding NYC's complex building codes, permits, occupancy licenses for businesses, zoning laws etc. One does not need to be a "people person" for this type of work.

It is similar to being an expert attorney. But.... specializing in business merger laws and never needing to represent somebody in Court. My guess is that he presented himself as a problem solving human computer that could be "plugged in" when needed and "unplugged" when not needed.

 

[Vern]

No apparent RH's connection to other victims found in the same area so far. At least two earlier cases are likely connected with each other, Valerie Mack's (disappeared in 2000) and Jessica Taylor's (2003). Their partial remains were found in two locations, Manorville and near Gilgo Beach. (IMO)

Pretty certain Peaches also had remains found in Gilgo and Manorville no? And, then the toddler who was found in Gilgo is now proven by DNA to be the child of Peaches. There was dismemberment involved with these three given their remains found in multiple sites and I've not heard the same for the Gilgo4.

Not certain on the Asian male, but he was found closest (very close) to the Gilgo 4 and RH search history seems to put this victim into the realm of his victimology and MO.

But I'm curious if RH has any links to Manorville as other items in his search history make me think dismemberment by him is also possible in these other cases.

The Gilgo4 and the Asian male located all very close to each other along the stretch and the others were placed further away from them so possibly two seperate killers, BUT the kicker for me:

Valerie and Jessica and Peaches' child were found at one end of the beach close together but Peaches herself was found at the other end of the beach; Peaches and her child were obviously killed by the same killer. The Gilgo 4 victims and the Asian male are in the middle of them.

Eerie coincidences.

 

[Kell1]

Some who have been involved in the investigation have hinted (several times) at these crimes, possibly being part of a criminal enterprise , will be interesting to see if that is true

 

[NeverPersonal]

Valerie Mack

www.gilgonews.com

Just noticed the link on Valerie's page goes straight to Megan Waterman's security footage leaving the hotel instead of the statement on her identity.

These poor girls. And the poor toddler baby. This man is SO sick. I just woke up & read about him stealing clementines at Whole Foods last year... Weirdo.

Do we have transcripts of the calls he made to family members after the fact, or no?
Imagine the horror. Your sister goes missing and the man who took her calls you to brag and gloat. Disgusting on a different level.

 

[NeverPersonal]

Some who have been involved in the investigation have hinted (several times) at these crimes, possibly being part of a criminal enterprise , will be interesting to see if that is true

I don't think it's true. I think they were trying to dissipate rumors of a serial killer, "Jack the Ripper"-esque guy running around killing women in the sex industry.

What we know and don't about Long Island’s suspected serial killer case

What we know and don't about the Gilgo Beach suspected serial killer case.

abcnews.go.com

Adding to the confusion was Dormer's attempt to assure the public in 2011. "I don't want people to think that we have a Jack the Ripper running around Suffolk County with blood dripping from a knife," Dormer said a the time. "This is an anomaly."

 

[Susieq87]

Some thoughts (JMO) on the aesthetic/financial info discussed, as this is my field and I’m from the area:
people hear “architect” and think big bucks, but the truth is, there are so many areas to work in and many don’t pay well. This guy was obviously not a builder to the stars in the Hamptons. He’s in codes and regs dealing with the NYCDOB mostly as an expeditor, it seems. One of the most dreaded, aggravating and frustrating areas of work. He has pics from large corporations on his site but that could be simply that he got their work permits signed off on for the rooms and buildings in the pics, not that he designed the buildings/renos. I don’t get “great architect designer” vibes from him and can’t imagine him working up drawings.

His massapequa house is ramshackle, he’s behind on taxes, both property and personal since at least 2010, his dental work needs attending to—all expensive things. He has a cramped looking Midtown office where the rent is sky high and you know the landlord will force him to pay rent so maybe his personal finances have to take a back seat. He may have been scraping by for all we know. LI property taxes are also exorbitant (over $11,000/year for his house, which is normal here) and building permits to renovate are notoriously a giant pain in the butt—I know architects who refuse to work in certain towns because it’s such a hassle.

Combine all of this and I see a guy whose life was/is perpetually out of control and who could have been scrambling to hold it all together plus hiding these huge terrible secrets and getting sloppier. The press keeps touting “architect” but it seems he was really an expeditor (no offense to expeditors!) who bragged about all the ways he knew to get around the rules, such as using the 1938 or 1901 codes. A legal loophole does not protect modern society (that’s why we have code revisions) and he obviously liked circumventing the laws no matter the expense of public safety. Like a little thrill getting over on someone in the DOB. I mean, everyone tries to push the boundaries with codes but I just get the feeling this guy goes way further.
Again, JMHO.