Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 6 murders, July 2023 #13

[Soulmagent]

How was John Ray responsible for discovering who Rex Heuermann was and how he was connected to some of these crimes ? You lost me.

I think the poster meant to say ,without Shannon Gilbert ,no one would know John Rays name?err..Rex's name either.
Is that what you meant @Ruminations ?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I'm sorry. I love metaphors and analogies. But this one lost me.

Could you please explain?

MOO and TIA

Sure. John Ray points to a picture that he says is VH dressed like an innocent little " school girl ". And then he points to a mature picture of her in full make up, looking a little sexy, and he basically says...see ? This is the real Victoria.

 

[svpernin]

By pushing for the investigation, and not letting evidence get ignored.

MOO

Even those who made major contributions need to bow out at some point. He’s beyond that point. Today was cruel as heck. I’m not verified but this is coming from a clinical social worker, for whatever it’s worth.

 

[fred&edna]

Ha, ha. That's fair enough. He is as subtle as his colors and patterns.

But without John Ray, I don't know if we would even know Rex's name.

MOO

Well, he's definitely familiar with "the squeaky wheel.. " phrase. It seemed to work with getting the release of SG's 911 call.

jmo

 

[Warwick7]

That press conference was crazy. IMO, all of this points to her being a victim as opposed to being a criminal.

Yes agreed!!!
Her sketches her images are gory and depict sexualized murderous torturous violence.

Some have details that are reminiscent of the charged murders. A missing shoe. Violence to genitalia post-mortem. An arm cut at the elbow. Marsh grass in the background.

Is it possible to me she looked through her fathers things or was told about her fathers crimes- and she is processing as an artist would?

 

[AugustWest]

Of course.

And a she's witness.

The press conference did what John Ray does: added information.

MOO

John Ray likely destroyed any chance to glean any information she may have as a "witness" today by implicating her in criminal activity. At this point, she must realize that talking equals judgment by the general public. The only answer to any question asked of her now is "I don't know" at best, and "pound sand" or the equivalent at worst. IMO

 

[Warwick7]

Go to any high school art competition and you will see all kinds of morbid and shocking art made by teenage girls.

Yes, true.... however, her drawings, her art, her images, her sketches are gory and depict sexualized murderous torturous violence.
A missing shoe. Violence to genitalia post-mortem. An arm cut at the elbow.

Could it be possible she looked through her fathers things or was told about her fathers crimes?

 

[wcasewatch]

And no one in his circle figured that out before they humiliated themselves in a press conference. We need a reporter to report what members are revealing here.

Reporters tend to just repeat what Ray says because it drives clicks. The tabloids are already spinning titles about cannabilism. If he cared about the victims, he would have taken a back seat as soon as Rex was arrested.

 

[Warwick7]

Reporters tend to just repeat what Ray says because it drives clicks. The tabloids are already spinning titles about cannabilism. If he cared about the victims, he would have taken a back seat as soon as Rex was arrested.

If he would have just taken the back seat the 911 call that Shannon Gilbert made would have never been released.

 

[BondGirl007]

If he would have just taken the back seat the 911 call that Shannon Gilbert made would have never been released.

Absolutely! I respect Dr. Gary Brucato who was with him at the press conference today! You can tell a lot about a person by what they like and follow.

 

[Ruminations]

Sure. John Ray points to a picture that he says is VH dressed like an innocent little " school girl ". And then he points to a mature picture of her in full make up, looking a little sexy, and he basically says...see ? This is the real Victoria.

Okay. I didn't hear that. But I believe it and guess I get it now. Who cares if she wears a lot of make up or uses a filter in social media.

Somehow VH's SM profile pic didn't stick with me what with all of the images resembling her father's alleged crime scenes.

The only thing I disagree with is that managing to be your big takeaway. I mean...a lot happened at that press conference.

MOO

 

[IDK]

Reporters tend to just repeat what Ray says because it drives clicks. The tabloids are already spinning titles about cannabilism. If he cared about the victims, he would have taken a back seat as soon as Rex was arrested.

Agree. I don’t see any fact checking by the media, at least not yet. Hopefully, one of the more serious outlets will dig a little deeper.

 

[wcasewatch]

If he would have just taken the back seat the 911 call that Shannon Gilbert made would have never been released.

The 9/11 call was released before Rex's arrest.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Okay. I didn't hear that. But I believe it and guess I get it now. Who cares if she wears a lot of make up or uses a filter in social media.

Somehow VH's SM profile pic didn't stick with me what with all of the images resembling her father's alleged crime scenes.

The only thing I disagree with is that managing to be your big takeaway. I mean...a lot happened at that press conference.

MOO

I don't have a big take-away from that press conference. It was just a huge pile of steaming crap, imo.

 

[Warwick7]

The 9/11 call was released before Rex's arrest.

I know that.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I was rooting for John Ray, I always have rooted for him and assumed good intentions beneath the showmanship… but the level of low he sunk to today changed the game for me.

IMO at this moment, JR wants to still be in center of the LISK and be relevant. Big developments recently made without him, he must be feeling very desperate and clearly doesn’t understand social media/youth/art/creative culture.

He didn’t prove anything about VH, but he did prove that there are a lot of other people out “there” interested in creating, exploring and viewing subject matter that JR thinks is SK evidence.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Again, I applaud Shannan's sister, Sherre , for publicly coming out and saying she does not support this.

And that is the end of my comments on the subject of this press conference.

 

[zvzvzvzv]

Yes agreed!!!
Her sketches her images are gory and depict sexualized murderous torturous violence.

Some have details that are reminiscent of the charged murders. A missing shoe. Violence to genitalia post-mortem. An arm cut at the elbow. Marsh grass in the background.

Is it possible to me she looked through her fathers things or was told about her fathers crimes- and she is processing as an artist would?

The gory sexualized murderous torturous violence images were all dug up from Tumblr by JR's team who doesn't know how Tumblr works.

That would be art form she studied and career oriented.
You're saying all the images JR presented are not from any of her accounts ?

That's a big claim to make so I'll just stay tuned

I'll need to suffer thru the presser again to be sure but as far as I recall the only art she actually posted that he shared was a high school art class looking skull sculpture and an abstract painting VH posted claiming to be inspired by Francis Bacon that JR said depicted a "furry bu++ plug". The rest were found by sorting through her "follows" not "likes" meaning there's no indication she ever even saw the images at all.

 

[wcasewatch]

I looked at Victoria's Tumblr. My God, Ray really leaped to conclusions on this one. She didn't upload any of those images. She also didn't reblog (retweet) them. Victoria follows dozens of accounts, most of which seem to post furry material. It seems as though Ray narrowed in on one account that posts macabre content on a daily basis. Some of it is tame stuff that looks "spooky". Victoria hasn't been active since 2020. There is zero indication that she even saw the images that were presented today. Madness.

 

[Bahshudc]

IMO at this moment, JR wants to still be in center of the LISK and be relevant. Big developments recently made without him, he must be feeling very desperate and clearly doesn’t understand social media/youth/art/creative culture.

He didn’t prove anything about VH, but he did prove that there are a lot of other people out “there” interested in creating, exploring and viewing subject matter that JR thinks is SK evidence.

I just don’t know though… I go to a very artsy school and see a lot of shocking stuff, but not to this extent. I think pornographic art is common, as well as graphic images and stuff, but images of women being tortured and cut up is something different, and IMO utterly distasteful. Most people simply don’t want to look at it. I know if I saw someone hang this up at a university exhibition I’d avoid them like the plague. all MOO.