Human Remains (*cadaver) Detection (HRD) dog questions and answers **NO DISCUSSION**

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  1. sarx

    sarx Verified Expert/Professional in SAR and K9SAR

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    LOL, I think I get what you're saying. :blushing: The short answer is there is no way to look at what breed is out in the field and by breed alone say "oh, it's a pit, so he's tracking, or a narc dog, or or or". Sometimes you can make better guesstimates by what the dog is or is not "wearing", what tools the handler has with them, etc, but even that varies a ton.
     


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    hambirg New Member

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    Thank you! And yes, that answers my question. Nothing can really be gleaned from knowing the dog breed as far as what kind of work it is doing.
     
  3. redheadedgal

    redheadedgal Well-Known Member

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    do you know what behavior the dog was exhibiting in the post below? thx.


    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7252277&postcount=949"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - LE serves search warrant on family's home[/ame]
     
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    I don't think there is a video. I was reading through that thread and it is posters' comments about what they had seen on a livestream. If I'm wrong, somebody please correct me.
     
  6. Oriah

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    Ah, ok. No wonder I couldn't find! Perhaps there is a screen shot someone has of the dog and handler? Wouldn't give a definitive answer at all, but might help point us in a direction of what dog and handler were doing at the time. It's possible the dog wasn't even working at the time.
     
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    Here I go again with another question percolating that I can't seem to get a grip on how to ask.....

    From reading this thread I think I have a grasp that the compounds of decomp are "tracky", is that correct? And those compounds can eventually permeate a container to "leak" out, correct?


    If one were to turn a trashbag inside out to pick up a small deceased human, can the experts opine on a window of time it would take for those compounds to permeate and leak (scent-wise) from the bag. I understand that there may be tracking issues, I am just curious as to permeation and leaking. *if answering such a question is not something you would want to do, I completely understand*
     
  8. Bayou Mistress

    Bayou Mistress Former Member

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    Steve Young in Lisa's case has said all labworks are back in, he also stated there was no evidence to point to Lisa being deceased. Would this mean that the dog hit could have been misunderstood, or that the decomp the dog hit on was not Lisa's?

    I have read over the thread and was had been thinking for the longest best to wait for forensic confirmation only because the house is an older one and that in itself increases the likelihood that someone could have died in the house previously.

    Someone had said somewhere else the dog hit on scent particles but I was of the understanding that something had to leave those particles that still remained where the dog hit, is that correct? Ok I think the simplest question I can ask, is do you know the process that is undergone to confirm the "hit" of the dog, labwork wise? I am trying to simplify a question that I don't think is that simple to ask.

    Ok, so dog hits on scent on let's just say the comforter. LE processes the comforter and they find no evidence(not sure if that's truth, just going from the statement in an article) to say that Lisa is deceased. What things would they look for and test on that comforter to arrive at whether the HRD's hit was on Lisa? And if those things are not present could it mean the dog hit on another source of the decomp, ie previous resident that died in the home? Is that better?
    TIA for your reply.
     
  9. Bayou Mistress

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    I think I have found a simplified question.

    How is it confirmed from the scent particles that the HRD hit on actually came from Lisa, or another person who may have died? How would it be verified the decomp scent came specifically from Lisa?

    Sorry for the confusion I am sure you probably want to hit your head against a wall with my inability to phrase my question right? I kind of feel like I am trying to understand GREEK.
     
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    After reading more about these dogs, I feel more confidant that LE wasn't slacking on the job in this case. They called in the experts in the field.
     
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    Just catching up on this thread.....and this may be OT

    Many years ago my faithful german shepherd passed away suddenly at home, my son's shepherd cross came in from another room and sniffed gently then moved away. She was very quiet and sullen over the next few days.

    We had our dog cremated and brought him back home and buried at which time my son's dog did a big writhing on her back (which what our dog did regularly) after that she was her normal self again.

    It was really quite amazing she seemed to know exactly what was going on.
     
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    Like someone who is otherwise well but has an area for example skin that has died due to some disease?
     
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    again, eddie did not alert to coconut. see other thread.
     
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