I am outraged

[TorisMom003]

From the press conference it was made clear that LE were the ones that offered the deal with whomever it was for. Once that party decided to agree to the deal they then say that LE took back the deal. That to me is very confusing. What kind of deal could LE offer to anyone other than the POIs in this case for information about Hailey? As someone else upthread said, if these ladies know where there are some remains and they are refusing to share that information to LE unless there is a deal in place they should be ashamed of themselves. I certainly would not want any of them helping me out if one of my children went missing if this is the way that they feel they should behave.

MOO

 

[Velouria]

From the press conference it was made clear that LE were the ones that offered the deal with whomever it was for. Once that party decided to agree to the deal they then say that LE took back the deal. That to me is very confusing. What kind of deal could LE offer to anyone other than the POIs in this case for information about Hailey? As someone else upthread said, if these ladies know where there are some remains and they are refusing to share that information to LE unless there is a deal in place they should be ashamed of themselves. I certainly would not want any of them helping me out if one of my children went missing if this is the way that they feel they should behave.

MOO

I have to wonder if LE went back on this alleged deal because they didn't want to tip their hand to BD? It would really help to know if they approached Carrie & Co. before or after they knew they were aligned with Billie.

There's a post here at ECO from Billie's friend and former WSer, Courtney:

http://www.elliscountyobserver.com/...on-law-enforcement-tips-to-hopeforhailey-org/

From her statement:

So yes, I was told not to send in the tips that come in through the website, but after all the bugging I did, the detective at the PD finally accepted the request. Every comment that has come in through hopeforhailey.org has been forwarded to the PD, the MCSO, and the DA’s office – although in the case of the PD, I had to go back and resend the comments that came in before the forwarding request was accepted.
Now, whether or not each and every comment is read by LE, I cannot say. But everything that comes in through the website has been and continues to be forwarded automatically, whether it is a prayer for Hailey, an ugly message to the family, requests for flyers, or a concern about something in particular.
Courtney Gutierrez
Colorado City, Texas

So, not only is LE expected to look for any legitimate leads that might make their way through HFH, they've got to wade through personal messages, flyer requests, and so on...

I can't blame LE for not trusting leads that are filtered through an organization that supports individuals suspected in Hailey's disappearance. I hope that anyone with helpful information will contact the appropriate law enforcement agencies directly.

 

[Knox]

In that video ... Have to go back and listen, but was the "deal" with the DA's Office and not one of the LE Agencies maybe?

 

[katydid23]

you weren't the only one shocked...although they wanted to get their thoughts out, and maybe they do need to, I was personally disgusted with how this 'PC' was 'handled'....
everyone associated with this case is fumbling and bumbling :sick:


And BD can't even remember the name of CM, staring right at her......boy that was an awkward moment....
paying attention much there BD??

I KNOW. I had to re-watch that part. wow. That showed right there how very 'involved' Billie is in her daughter's missing person case. Standing right there in front of her is another mother whose child was murdered by an RSO, and Billie cannot even be bothered to catch her first name. Figures.

 

[Tugela]

http://www.ktxs.com/news/27240749/detail.html

http://www.kwes.com/story/14280517/...ser censored*-to-shawn-adkins?redirected=true

http://www.ktxs.com/news/26998644/detail.html

There are more links in the media links section of this forum:

TX - Hailey Dunn -- Media Links ** No Discussion ** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Those links make reference to the affidavit though, so the correct information is the source (the affidavit) not the news report.

 

[Donjeta]

I'm still awed by the nerve of a parent blaming LE for not talking with the parent when said parent has had her lawyer tell LE she won't talk with them.

 

[JourneyRain]

I have one question.

Where's Hailey?

In the end, isn't that all that matters.

 

[Velouria]

I KNOW. I had to re-watch that part. wow. That showed right there how very 'involved' Billie is in her daughter's missing person case. Standing right there in front of her is another mother whose child was murdered by an RSO, and Billie cannot even be bothered to catch her first name. Figures.

If I didn't already know who Billie was, I would never have guessed she was the mother of the missing child in question. She seemed bored, distracted, and more interested in her Dr. Pepper and the people milling about her front yard than discussing her daughter, IMO.

I have one question.

Where's Hailey?

In the end, isn't that all that matters.

But that's just it, JourneyRain.

The people who know where she is are the ones pointing fingers at others to find her.

Remember at the press conference when Carrie McG said "the perp often returns to join the search" and a spectator laughed out loud? Well, sometimes the perps even show up wearing "Hope for Hailey" t-shirts.

We all want Hailey found; we all want justice. And it DOES seem like the investigation has slowed to a frustrating crawl. But I'm not ready to condemn law enforcement just because these folks say we should. As far as I'm concerned, the jury's still out on everyone except Hailey.

MOO.

 

[TexasTNT]

IMO the fact that BD and SA have yet to take another polygraph speaks volumes.

BD could talk to whomever until she's blue in the face and I wouldn't buy one word she said.

 

[sorrell skye]

Those links make reference to the affidavit though, so the correct information is the source (the affidavit) not the news report.

It's entirely possible that Toombs misspoke when he stated that CP was found on the memory stick confiscated from BD's house in January, or, it's entirely possible he was giving an accurate statement. IDK

J. Bruce Flournoy with the Garza County sheriff’s office (and a computer forensics examiner) is the one who filed the search warrant affidavit in March, and Judge Armstrong signed off on it.

These quotes by Flournoy confirm that CP was found on two computers that SA had access to, and also that a memory stick & camera had been connected to his mother's computer. Flournoy also stated that an image that appears to be CP was downloaded from SA's e-mail acct. on a computer @ his grandmother's house.

snipped:

“On that computer, in a file I have determined contained images downloaded from Shawn Adkins’ e-mail account, were other images of adult *advertiser censored* and an image that appears to be a child pornographic image,”

Flournoy wrote. “It appears to me that the image of child *advertiser censored* found on this computer is very similar to at least one image of child *advertiser censored* found on Christina Walker’s computer.” Walker’s computer was searched at her Big Spring residence and Adkins had free access to both computers.

From the same article:

“Since we have found pornographic images on every electronic device that we have been able to search to which Shawn Casey Adkins had access and child *advertiser censored* on two computers to which Shawn Casey Adkins had access, it is more than probable that there are child pornographic images on the computers and any other device capable of storing digital media,” Flournoy wrote.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=353726

If BD hadn't lied to LE when they came to her house to serve the SW on SA, LE may have been able to find the missing memory stick before SA got rid of it. I think they both knew why LE came knocking, and I think her lies were an effort to stall LE so SA could destroy evidence. MOO

ETA: BD has been covering for her lover from day 1. BD has been convicted of lying to LE. BD hindered an investigation when LE came to serve a search warrant on her lover. I ask the rhetorical question "Why?" In my opinion, the answer is plain as day.

 

[Soulmagent]

Was it confirmed there was a missing memory stick? I know LE was looking for one,but with the bunch in this case who is to say what was reported to have existed my not have existed.

How did they now to look for it?

 

[sorrell skye]

Was it confirmed there was a missing memory stick? I know LE was looking for one,but with the bunch in this case who is to say what was reported to have existed my not have existed.

How did they now to look for it?

Bruce Flournoy (the computer forensics examiner with Garza County) said he could tell during his initial examination of the computer from SA's grandmother's house in February that a memory stick & a camera, as well as 3 other unknown devices, had been connected to the computer. He had the ID codes of the unknown devices, but he needed the actual devices in order to match them to the ID codes he found on the computer. He was also told by another member of the household that SA "uses the computer all the time".

I got the info from this article:

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=353726

HTH

 

[Knox]

The day LE knocked on Billie's door and she lied about SA being there. Wasn't that the day they had the search warrant for "his body"? I believe we came up with a few different ideas of what that may involve; Tattoo's, distinctive body piercings or markings and/or the rumored bunch of memory sticks he always had on his keyring.

Now I have to go look that up.

 

[SailorMoon]

She makes me want to scream!! Question -- though, was that her house behind her in the video? I thought she and her <modsnip> moved to Austin, if its her house, who is living there? I cannot imagine growing up with her. Not at all. And where is her son? Still living with someone else I hope...

I thought ya'll were exaggerating with the "le needs to get off their azzes and find my daughter". Watched that again, and sure enough, she says that. Wow. Just wow. And at some point during that press conference the camera panned in back of the videographer and there's ole SA. Big as life.

TELL LE WHERE HAILEY IS BILLIE.

 

[sorrell skye]

Those links make reference to the affidavit though, so the correct information is the source (the affidavit) not the news report.

One more thought: the last I heard, the affidavit for the SW of SA's grandmother's house & SA's mother's house was sealed by Judge Armstrong, therefore, all we have to rely upon are the media reports.

If a link to a copy of the March affidavit is available, it would be greatly appreciated, just in case I missed it. TIA

 

[Tugela]

You can read the affidavit here.

 

[Knox]

One more thought: the last I heard, the affidavit for the SW of SA's grandmother's house & SA's mother's house was sealed by Judge Armstrong, therefore, all we have to rely upon are the media reports.

If a link to a copy of the March affidavit is available, it would be greatly appreciated, just in case I missed it. TIA

Hi Sorrell. Jeeze it's hard keeping all the case details straight after so long.

I think this is only search warrant that has remained sealed (body of SA)?

The Mitchell County Sheriff's office says the District Attorney's office went to Dunn's home to serve a warrant out of Howard County on Shawn Adkins. One of the warrants was for the "body" of Adkins, meaning he was to surrender DNA. At the time of Hailey's disappearance, Adkins was Billie's live-in boyfriend and the last person to see Hailey. He is also the only suspect named in Hailey's disappearance.

http://www.kcbd.com/story/14274824/...-city-teen-taken-into-custody?redirected=true

 

[sorrell skye]

You can read the affidavit here.

TY Tugela! I appreciate you finding that link.

You're right - Deputy Sheriff Flournoy didn't mention finding CP on the memory stick confiscated from BD's house. I agree with you - if CP had been found on that memory stick, I would think he would have included it in his affidavit.

 

[grandmaj]

In case you don't realize grandma..the woman doing most of the talking is Carrie McGonigle. She is the mother of Amber Dubois. She talks about sex offender tracking and it seems obvious that her feelings in this case are strongly influenced by what she went through with Amber and the ultimate resolution of her case with the conviction and confession of John Gardner. Gardner is a sex offender who was not living at his registered address when he attacked an killed Chelsea King, authorities had lost track of him. What she's gone through probably makes her believe that a registered sex offender is responsible for Hailey's disappearance.

I have a lot of respect for Carrie and the strength that she's shown dealing with what happened to Amber but...it seems to me that we saw this happen with Mark Klass. Mark was very supportive of Billie and spent time with her, even appearing on Nancy Grace sitting next to her, until all the reports of Billie's lying and everything started coming out about her. His trust was violated. I don't doubt that Carrie is coming from a good place doing this but she can obviously get burned by aligning herself with Billie.

It's unclear to me just what exactly the deal is they were talking about although I'm guessing it involves searching through Team Amber. Carrie needs to be careful because when you start talking about deals when you are aligning yourself with Billie people can get the wrong impression.

In case anyone didn't see the picture, Shawn was with Billie at that vigil and press conference wearing a Hailey support t-shirt. You can see the picture on the WOTS site which is linked in the Hailey Facebook thread in the parking lot.

I do know who it is Chilli. That doesn't change IMO right from wrong. Yes she has had a tough row with losing her daughter. However, aligning herself with Billie is a huge error in my opinion. Calling out Law Enforcement talking about a deal that isn't identified.

This was a hysterical rambling and not a news conference. If we are to speak for missing children we must place ourselves above the bar. Not drop to this rambling, repeating over and over nonsensical hints that LE is doing something underhanded. This doesn't help. And BD jumping in with her street talk. I'm sure Carrie thinks she is doing the right thing. But, when BD doesn't even speak to LE for several months and then this? Something is wrong with this.

Again I felt this was an embarrassment to this case. Just more hysteria and nothing concrete. Stop the hysteria.

 

[katydid23]

I do know who it is Chilli. That doesn't change IMO right from wrong. Yes she has had a tough row with losing her daughter. However, aligning herself with Billie is a huge error in my opinion. Calling out Law Enforcement talking about a deal that isn't identified.

This was a hysterical rambling and not a news conference. If we are to speak for missing children we must place ourselves above the bar. Not drop to this rambling, repeating over and over nonsensical hints that LE is doing something underhanded. This doesn't help. And BD jumping in with her street talk. I'm sure Carrie thinks she is doing the right thing. But, when BD doesn't even speak to LE for several months and then this? Something is wrong with this.

Again I felt this was an embarrassment to this case. Just more hysteria and nothing concrete. Stop the hysteria.

I agree completely. She lowers herself to BD's level with that rant of a press conference. And then BD complaining that ' they need to get off their butts and find her child.' Shades of the Anthony family run amok.