ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 62

[Curiosa20]

It is indeed a puzzlement. After reading what I believe are all of his TAT posts, I see a bright young man who is facing a profound illness/disability and trying to find an answer.

He tries rigid discipline (army interests), special diets (more than one), and sees specialists and is prescribed a medicine that makes him "crazy," he says (he mentions that he has violent urges during that phase). He worries that he'll never have a normal life and can't understand why this illness is happening to him.

So, from my POV, he lost functioning. He couldn't really finish HS, he goes to adult ed/technical school. Gains some functioning at some point. Goes to an online university, is optimistic that he'll be part of society. He worries, in the TAT, that he will be denied a "normal life."

And yes, according to what we have available on the media thread here, he's also doing heroin.

Look up DeSales's admission rates and completion rates. This is not a selective program. That is not to say it's bad. I'm sure he learned a lot. But it's not the same as, say, getting a job as a uniformed police officer and *then* doing criminal justice. Most people in CJ programs have work experience of some kind, IME.

His whole trajectory is peculiar, bumpy and fraught with concerning circumstances. I believe his family desperately wanted to believe he was "okay" and could be launched. I believe they all knew he was "different" and were encouraging him on these various pathways. They must have been so hopeful when he went out to WSU.

I believe that he knew he had major social/psychological/neurological deficits, but finally gained hope that he'd succeed anyway. Something broke and this all went pear-shaped. I don't think there was a good way to predict it, either.

I appreciate your thoughtful reply. I also imagine his family was hopeful when he went away. There must have been plenty of issues. IMO
You are clearly right; something, then everything, broke, unraveling into a million fragmented conniving competing conflicting pieces that he tried to string together, in isolation, in a swirling void, it seems. JMO
Maybe he was encouraged to be strong, a man, not a bullied victim. Maybe the murders are his deranged response. I’m not convinced he cares about living. I still wonder if he chose the house of victims simply because they were happy. It will be nice to find out if he monitored the food truck live feed and calculated opportunity that night.
The contradictions are confounding.
Somehow I think his deranged homicidal impulses or obsession comes from a much more deep seated resentment and revenge- payback- going back to childhood and early adolescence.
Also, excuse me, but I’ve seen here repeated references to his not graduating High School but have not seen it mentioned in MSM or commented on by his old classmates. We’ve all seen his gaunt Senior photo.
Did he not graduate with his Class? Also,to be fair, pretty much everyone studied online from 2020-2022.
I guess he got student loans? I saw that the tuition for his DeSales Masters program was $24,000.
Do we know what he would pay at WSU?

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1613301449014018057

 

[WingsOverTX]

It is a complex issue. It is entirely possible that our descendants will think the construct of how we deal with crime today as barbaric as we think hanging bread thieves was in the past.
Brain scans and even theoretical physics are kind of telling us now that free will is just a perception. That the idea that we decide things maybe simply be an illusion. That our brains "decision making" centers light up after we actually decide something, not before. And what our brains are really doing is simply creating a narrative to explain what we did to our conscious selves, that makes us think we make decisions. And that everything that peopel do that is bad or anti-soocial, whether it be generic assh0lery of cutting in line, or nation level mass geocide, can be explained by processes no one is deciding, be they social or varying degrees of deficiencies in certain parts of the brain.

I alternate between supporting full on retributive justice, wanting to see people like the accused put in a room with the fathers so they can rip him to shreds in the most prolonged way possible. And at other times I think this person, and all violent criminals, have damage in brain he is no more responsible for than any other type of injury. Evolution after all has experimented with the brain, mainly as a dimorphous species with the male brain. It is the core reason why evolutionary biologists explain why mental illness has not been removed by natural selection. For example tendency along a scale to Asperger's type may enable outlier genius to hyper focus to the benefit of the group, or demonstrated tendency toward certain level of psychopathy among poltical leaders (left, right and center) may also benefit the group they lead.

I am sure I will tick some people off with that. But the legal issues of criminals' responsibility and mental illness are just constructs that have moved around over time.

There are thoughts & inclinations. And then there is behavior with consequences.

I prefer to keep it simple because while I empathize with mental/physical illness being a heavy burden on someone who commits crimes, personal responsibility to not victimize others is always an option IMO.

 

[kittythehare]

yes, I would absolutely agree with that but it isn't a HIPAA violation in my opinion.

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[Miss Jennifer]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1613355135971000321

Good 16-minute listen on tomorrow's hearing with Journalist Brian Entin and Palm Beach State Attorney Dave Aronberg.

 

[r3d-ros3]

Do we know what he would pay at WSU?

There's been some discussion about BK's salary as a TA /PhD student at WSU. In my experience as a graduate student, and based on what I've read about WSU, I think BK likely had his tuition covered by the school and received a stipend for his work as a TA. PhD stipends range from 14k to 30k depending on the institution and cost of living in the city. From WSU's Criminology department page:

"Students funded by the department with a Teaching Assistantships (TA) or Research Assistantships (RA) receive a specified stipend each month (for nine months), health insurance benefits, and an in-state tuition waiver (for WA state residents). Out-of-state tuition is waived the first year until the student establishes residency." (source)

More from WSU directly on residency:

"To qualify for resident tuition, state law requires you be a state resident for 12 months. If you are a U.S. citizen or Permanent Resident and have come to WSU from out of state, establish residency in order to avoid paying out-of-state tuition. To establish residency, get your Washington State Driver’s license within 30 days of arrival; register your car; register to vote; establish a bank account; and live in- state for one year." (this is probably why he had recently switched to WA plates.)

 

[girlrx]

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  When individually identifiable health information is created or received by a HIPAA covered entity (or a business associate acting on a covered entity's behalf) it becomes PHI that is subject to HIPAA's privacy requirements. In addition, PHI in electronic form is subject to HIPAA's security requirements. For example, enrollment information that is received by a health plan (a HIPAA covered entity) is PHI as to the plan and is therefore subject to HIPAA's privacy requirements.

Unless PHI is used or disclosed for specified purposes (for example, treatment or payment), a covered entity must obtain an authorization from the individual who is the subject of the information in order to use or disclose it. In addition, a covered entity can use or disclose PHI without obtaining an individual's authorization if the use or disclosure is required by law or regarding judicial/administrative proceedings (for example, in response to a court order).

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What health information was disclosed? Did they say he had Pneumonia? Any diagnosis? Nope, notta, nothing....IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1613383233260879872

Thank you. I have been looking all over the place for the reference of what LaBar said about the pings. I thought that I remembered him having a problem with the ping data, but then I couldn't re-find what he said.

Essentially, he says that it is ping data and not GPS data. Not as accurate.
Which is true, especially if investigators were not able to triangulate the pings. imo

I am also interested (due to reasonable doubt) in that one record of ping data from his phone that is not attributed to him being in Moscow (from the PCA).
"Investigators found that the 8458 Phone did connect to a cell phone tower that provides service to Moscow on November l4,2022, but investigators do not believe the 8458 Phone was in Moscow on that date."

 

[Diogenetic]

I appreciate your thoughtful reply. I also imagine his family was hopeful when he went away. There must have been plenty of issues. IMO
You are clearly right; something, then everything, broke, unraveling into a million fragmented conniving competing conflicting pieces that he tried to string together, in isolation, in a swirling void, it seems. JMO
Maybe he was encouraged to be strong, a man, not a bullied victim. Maybe the murders are his deranged response. I’m not convinced he cares about living. I still wonder if he chose the house of victims simply because they were happy. It will be nice to find out if he monitored the food truck live feed and calculated opportunity that night.
The contradictions are confounding.
Somehow I think his deranged homicidal impulses or obsession comes from a much more deep seated resentment and revenge- payback- going back to childhood and early adolescence.
Also, excuse me, but I’ve seen here repeated references to his not graduating High School but have not seen it mentioned in MSM or commented on by his old classmates. We’ve all seen his gaunt Senior photo.
Did he not graduate with his Class? Also,to be fair, pretty much everyone studied online from 2020-2022.
I guess he got student loans? I saw that the tuition for his DeSales Masters program was $24,000.
Do we know what he would pay at WSU?

Where do you see anyone saying he did not gradate high school? I personally have noted the fact that his two year associates degree looks to be five or six years after his projected HS graduation. Given heroin use in HS I do think it is fair to assume there may have been some academic problems as a result.

I think on choice of that house and whatever victims were actually his choice, we should note he may have held a deep grudge at undergrads. he was subject at his school to a bizarre kind of "auto de fe" or chinse cultural revolution type of organized denouncement,, where large number of undergraduates as a group got to take turns confronting him about his TRA notes and grading of their papers.
if you imagine he thought of these undergrads as his academic inferiors (and in degree level they were), and combine that with narcissism (I am not issuing a DSM diagnosis, but noting general personality trait) that may have been intensely humiliating for him. combine that his victims were undergrads, and whose curated social media showed them as happy vivacious people, they may have filled several requisites for his list of potential victims

 

[XtremeScorpio]

Several people here are mentioning that Ethan's belongings, including a set of golf clubs are being held by the defense. I know that we have seen a set of clubs through one of the windows at one point, but it is very possible that there were other clubs there besides Ethan's. Some, or all of the girls may have had clubs as well. Perhaps his clubs were in Xana's bedroom, and got blood spatter on them, or they may have been in his Jeep. What I find more puzzling is why Ethan's family has two vehicles being held. I get that Ethan's Jeep was there, and it makes sense perhaps that it is being held, though I thought at least some of the vehicles had been returned to the families, but I assume the other vehicle belongs to one of his siblings, who probably came over only moments before LE arrived on Sunday morning. Or was it already at the home on Saturday evening as well? That seems very unlikely to me. Any thoughts on why it is being held? JMO

His clubs were in X's room, as was shown on LE body cam when they responded to one of the Noise Complaints back in Sept. Actually, I didn't not see his name on them, but they were (looked like) a men's set of clubs. As far as taking & them, I think it's quite possible m the reason is that there may be blood on them. IMO

 

[Beth11311]

It is indeed a puzzlement. After reading what I believe are all of his TAT posts, I see a bright young man who is facing a profound illness/disability and trying to find an answer.

He tries rigid discipline (army interests), special diets (more than one), and sees specialists and is prescribed a medicine that makes him "crazy," he says (he mentions that he has violent urges during that phase). He worries that he'll never have a normal life and can't understand why this illness is happening to him.

So, from my POV, he lost functioning. He couldn't really finish HS, he goes to adult ed/technical school. Gains some functioning at some point. Goes to an online university, is optimistic that he'll be part of society. He worries, in the TAT, that he will be denied a "normal life."

And yes, according to what we have available on the media thread here, he's also doing heroin.

Look up DeSales's admission rates and completion rates. This is not a selective program. That is not to say it's bad. I'm sure he learned a lot. But it's not the same as, say, getting a job as a uniformed police officer and *then* doing criminal justice. Most people in CJ programs have work experience of some kind, IME.

His whole trajectory is peculiar, bumpy and fraught with concerning circumstances. I believe his family desperately wanted to believe he was "okay" and could be launched. I believe they all knew he was "different" and were encouraging him on these various pathways. They must have been so hopeful when he went out to WSU.

I believe that he knew he had major social/psychological/neurological deficits, but finally gained hope that he'd succeed anyway. Something broke and this all went pear-shaped. I don't think there was a good way to predict it, either.

Can you point me to these posts? Not familiar with TAT, but would love to read them, and see more of this man’s thoughts and processes. TIA!

 

[AliVada]

I have been looking but haven’t yet found the Brian Entin clip referenced in this post

Post in thread 'ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 16'
ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 16

snip:
The car behind Ethan's jeep was his brothers. Brian E said it as they were towing. I bet they did that often i.e. driveway musical locations, he was confident blocking his brothers car in drive. Blue was Xena, RR is Kaylee, jeep is EC, dark car behind is other triplet who showed up just before 911 call. Not sure about other cars. My guess is lowest level roommates didn't have cars on campus??

You got a link for that @AliVada ?

I also remember reading that Ethan and Hunter shared that Jeep and the car behind it was Maizie’s which makes the most sense to me. At any rate I think we can speculate two of those cars belong to the Chapin’s.

Can’t find links for either answer so MOO

Ooh, I think it was was an early daily mail article about the 911 call and that Ethan's brother was one who arrived before LE and parked behind their brother. It had Washington plates too and most other roomies were from idaho, with Xana possibly having Arizona tags.

But I will look for link.

Kathy

 

[Libra243]

What health information was disclosed? Did they say he had Pneumonia? Any diagnosis? Nope, notta, nothing....IMO

His name is protected health information.

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[Not a Belle]

What health information was disclosed? Did they say he had Pneumonia? Any diagnosis? Nope, notta, nothing....IMO

It’s about identifiable information, including things like name, birthdate, etc. Even IP addresses are considered identifiable/identifying information. It doesn’t have to be a diagnosis.

 

[al66pine]

ETHAN's GOLF CLUBS?

A couple of thoughts on the golf clubs. They could have been in his car or he could have kept them at Xana's because he felt they were safer there than at the fraternity house?

@Strong1 I have no answer re where clubs were in Nov. or where he thought his clubs were safer.
But in one of the two noise-complaints captured on LE body-worn-cam vids, as the LEO walked past a house window, I saw a set of golf clubs and wondered if one of the gals living there golfed.
Maybe Ethan's clubs? Or not, IDK.

ETA. Sorry, behind in reading this thread, I see some have already discussed.

 

[isabella88]

What health information was disclosed? Did they say he had Pneumonia? Any diagnosis? Nope, notta, nothing....IMO

It was ill-advised for them to give any information. IMO, health information is not limited to the physical. What the receptionists allegedly said could possibly involve BK's mental health. Sure, HIPAA has plenty of legalese but it is also applied as just basic human decency to keep what happens in a physician's office private for patients. JMO and experience.

 

[kittythehare]

What health information was disclosed? Did they say he had Pneumonia? Any diagnosis? Nope, notta, nothing....IMO

I just handed it to you.

 

[10ofRods]

It is a complex issue. It is entirely possible that our descendants will think the construct of how we deal with crime today as barbaric as we think hanging bread thieves was in the past.
Brain scans and even theoretical physics are kind of telling us now that free will is just a perception. That the idea that we decide things maybe simply be an illusion. That our brains "decision making" centers light up after we actually decide something, not before. And what our brains are really doing is simply creating a narrative to explain what we did to our conscious selves, that makes us think we make decisions. And that everything that peopel do that is bad or anti-soocial, whether it be generic assh0lery of cutting in line, or nation level mass geocide, can be explained by processes no one is deciding, be they social or varying degrees of deficiencies in certain parts of the brain.

I alternate between supporting full on retributive justice, wanting to see people like the accused put in a room with the fathers so they can rip him to shreds in the most prolonged way possible. And at other times I think this person, and all violent criminals, have damage in brain he is no more responsible for than any other type of injury. Evolution after all has experimented with the brain, mainly as a dimorphous species with the male brain. It is the core reason why evolutionary biologists explain why mental illness has not been removed by natural selection. For example tendency along a scale to Asperger's type may enable outlier genius to hyper focus to the benefit of the group, or demonstrated tendency toward certain level of psychopathy among poltical leaders (left, right and center) may also benefit the group they lead.

I am sure I will tick some people off with that. But the legal issues of criminals' responsibility and mental illness are just constructs that have moved around over time.

Your thoughts on justice (and humans) are very helpful.

 

[acutename]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1613330551280132108

at 1:33... eye brows just as the charging statement says that D saw

 

[AngTxGal]

In the previous thread, @10ofRods said:

"I can sort of tell a little bit about which house goes with which router name (very little) because some of the routers have clearly been named by an age group or a language group that gives those hints. One neighbor uses a version of his car license plate number and another makes a reference to her dog's name, etc. There's also someone who changes the name on their router frequently and I'm pretty sure I know who he is (IT guy I used to work with, signal is strongest when I walk by his house)."

Which reminded me of the fellow I read about who (jokingly, I assume) talked about naming his wifi network "FBI Undercover Van #1" and then watching to see which neighbors looked up and down the street nervously...

Router Connection
I read this and was reminded of a WiFi company used locally who places a yellow sticker on the back of the router containing the password upon installment.
My parents did not remove the sticker or change the router name or password. Anyone wanting to connect could go look at the sticker on the router with the Router Name and Password.
Of course once entered a device could autoconnect if set to do so

If the router in the rental home had a password, and the installing company used such a sticker it would be easy for visitors to the home to learn the password and connect- just look at the sticker. This includes visitors to the home that are friends and those that entered as friends of friends, or entered the home without their knowledge.

JMO