ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 62

[Diogenetic]

the short answer is that he cannot live among us because he cannot, or will not, play by the rules of society.

I sometimes think that there was a more primitive time in history when killing- predatory animals, hostile tribe members, etc.,- was a more valued activity and these people's "talents" were more useful to society- so they are just a throwback to a different time- but I am not sure if history really supports that.

Friend, most of me totally agrees with you. And I am not even sure I am against retributive justice. The ancient idea of restoring balance that has been upset by such heinous crimes. I won't be deeply troubled if this guy gets the death penalty.
I just don't think it is irrational, nor should it be impossible for us to know two different ideas, two very different ways of seeing this, can in fact be rationally entertained in our minds, at least as we seek to understand in order to prevent.

And you do make a very astute observation on having people who can exert violence has a value and is likely part of our revolutionary experimenting.. One example of that would be testosterone level in human males. It has a LOT of costs and benefits. It is why chimpanzee groups have beta males actually dominate by use of coalitions against alpha males. Teh alphas are functional in attacking other groups, but need to re kept down within the group (great reads on this are "demonic males" and the "goodness paradox by Jane Goodall's protégé Richard Wrangham).

But I think this is not so much mainly about this guy being that being about that. I think if we were to look at his brain with 2050 technology we would see a number of key areas degraded.

 

[rsd1200]

ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 61

Woman details Tinder date with Idaho suspect Bryan Kohberger in viral TikTok https://nypost.com/2023/01/10/womans-creepy-tinder-date-with-idaho-suspect-bryan-kohberger/ Best part was “Realizing she wanted Kohberger to leave but being too socially awkward to ask, Hayley said she pretended to...

www.websleuths.com

I think she's pretty credible. Remember, this was seven years ago. He met her on Tinder, it was a blind date, he'd have been 20-21 around then. The awkward touching, the denial of touching, the pushiness, she's admitted to being socially awkward herself (pretends to be sick rather than ask him to leave). I can see it. If she'd said they had a lovely time at a nice restaurant and he then asked if he could come in, and they made mad passionate love, after which he read her poems, and cried, I'd be a lot less likely to believe her.

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I've been looking at the homes and the distances.

At approximately 4:17 a.m., a security camera located at 1112 King Road, a residence immediately to the northwest of 1122 King Road, picked up distorted audio of voice or a whimper, followed by a loud thud. (Exhibit A, page 4)

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/case/CR29-22-2805/122922%20Affidavit%20-%20Exhibit%20A%20-%20Statement%20of%20Brett-Payne.pdf

North is indicated in LRH corner, overview of room locations, former driveways from King Rd. that now enter from Queen Rd. (this confused me at first because here, the street/road your driveway exits on, is your street address. However, I think some of these homes date back quite a few decades.) From the corner of 1112 to X's room is less than 50', as stated in Exhibit A (see attached clipping). My measurements are not exact, nor do I know exactly where it was placed, but it does show just how close the surveillance camera had to have been. I do feel that had it been past the edge of the building alongside it, it would have been less likely to pick up any sound inside 1122 King Road.
From Websleuths FilesFrom #ABCNEWSTONIGHTMy Measurements

 

[jepop]

I'm not sure what to think here. It says "search warrant served"-on who? Is this a legal search?
Thoughts

Idaho murders: Police serve search warrant at Bryan Christopher Kohberger's home in Pullman, WA

Police are serving a search warrant at the Washington apartment of Bryan Kohberger Friday morning, the man taken into custody earlier in Pennsylvania in connection with the stabbing deaths of four students at the University of Idaho.

www.q13fox.com

IMO it is just sloppy/ignorant wording by article author, or bad editing. The warrant was obviously approved by a judge, and if it needed to be served to the resident then that would have occurred in PA where BK was being held (I am ignorant re whether once approved search warrants have to then be served on residents/owners/lessees of a property prior to execution but guessing they probably do). The sentence "serving a search warrant at ..." just seems sloppy, ill informed to me. What is probably meant is something like LE arrived at BK's apartment etc etc in order to execute the warrant (served to BK prior in PA). That is unless, the warrant was served to the owners of the apartment, perhaps it had to be served to WSU if the apartment was rented through the UNi? In any event I don't think there's anything in this, just a poorly written article <modsnip>

ETA: If BK had a room mate who in the appartment at the time then IMO it is possible the warrant was served on that person just prior to execution. Just speculation re the room mate. (I vaguely recall reading a few posts here which mention a room mate, it may be reported somewhere, but as I can't be bothered chasing down a link - because I don't believe (IMO obviously) that this serving was in any way controversial - I'll just leave this as a speculative possibility).

 

[Diogenetic]

I imagine his profiles have all been removed by either LE or the sites, if they existed, by now..

That, and worse yet, likely a whole mess of fake profiles are out there now

 

[Cindizzi]

BK’s Pennsylvania Defense Attorney says BK helped draft the statement

https://twitter.com/x/status/1613396690727489540

 

[WingsOverTX]

Apparently lived alone in a 'family' apartment.
I saw no reports of a partner of any description on gender.
I meant to check Tinder after Tiktok girl described a date with him but I think that was a few years ago..
He could have advanced to more 'specific' dating sites in the interim.
I imagine his profiles have all been removed by either LE or the sites, if they existed, by now..

Why would LE remove them?

 

[drmrgrl]

<modsnip - referencing a post removed for sleuthing family social media>

https://twitter.com/x/status/1600621405065846823

IMO, this is maddening

 

[rahod1]

Without other evidence these two events are linked by same location being on the Sheath, but not linked in Time. Killer may have touched snap days prior, and victim blood is on day of death.
Another piece of evidence would more strongly link killer and victim in Time.

JMO

I must be missing something here. You have a sheath found near/on one of the victims with BK's DNA on it (after further analysis getting actual sample if BKs DNA). BINGO. What does *TIME* of DNA being deposited on sheath have to do with it? This put's BK *there*..I mean the sheath just didn't *FLOAT* there....of course you have *OJ* defense...it was (cough cough) PLACED there... yeah that's it!

 

[YepperBepper]

LOL, I've been gone for the past couple days too and considered posting something similar. For whatever reason I decided to get to reading to catch up. 3 hours later, I'm still lost.

Same. Tried to check in, but obviously not frequently enough, as I am wandering

What is this "TAT" thing being discussed. Apologies.

 

[drmrgrl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1613333689349414912

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IMO what an amazing family ! Super nice Mom and Dad and kids who are sweetie pies.

 

[AlisRedHat]

I’m new here so this may have been discussed before, but I wonder if when he went back to the 2nd floor if he had taken off/pulled down his mask and that’s when he ran into X, which is why he had to kill her and E. In other words, X wasn’t a target until she saw his face. After killing X and E, He learned his lesson so he put his mask back on which is why he left instead of killing D (if he saw her).

I’m trying to figure out why he didn’t just leave after being on the 3rd floor if he was targeting someone there. If he he saw X as he was leaving and she saw him, why not just run out? Answer(?) Because she saw his face.

Thoughts?

 

[Kel_kel]

The following Johnny Law youtube was originally posted by Mayboy1998 earlier today but because it was not a podcast host we were familiar with and we did not have time to view it in its entirety, it was removed. Having now had time to view it, it is being approved on a one-time basis because it does seem to provide an excellent analysis of the layout of the house, where individuals may have been sleeping, and it speaks to the location of the red liquid in relation to the overall layout of the house.

That's good It was approved because it was a really informative video!

 

[nanja]

Can you point me to these posts? Not familiar with TAT, but would love to read them, and see more of this man’s thoughts and processes. TIA!

yes wondering what TAT stands for?

 

[Cool Cats]

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger made ‘every mistake’ a murderer could make, former FBI investigator says

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger made ‘every mistake’ a murderer could make, former FBI investigator says

Fox Nation's Mark Fuhrman converges with law enforcement experts to break down the key details emerging from the Idaho murders case.

www.foxnews.com

Fox Nation's Mark Fuhrman was joined by law enforcement experts to unpack the case that shocked the nation in "Moscow Murders: Convicting a Killer," a new Fox Nation special that breaks down the tragic timeline of the Idaho murders while spotlighting the major mistakes made by the murder suspect.

"He made every mistake you could make. He was connected to the vehicle. He left his DNA. He left his murder weapon sheath. A witness saw him. He didn't eliminate the witness. He got in over his head. He killed more victims than he thought. And he stalked them, and it was printed all over his cell phone. And that's just what we know," former FBI investigator Bill Daly argued to crime scene expert Mark Fuhrman.

Another major development occurred on November 29, when investigators were able to link a 2013 White Hyundai Elantra spotted near the crime to the key suspect Bryan Kohbeger – another crucial misstep from the killer.

Kohberger attempted to relocate the "rolling crime scene," that is his personal vehicle, across the country to his hometown in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania – a last-ditch effort that failed miserably. Daly argued that this was the suspect's attempt to "park it, clean it, leave it."

"It was creating distance. It was getting the car from Idaho to Pennsylvania, where he could park it, clean it, leave it. And when things die down, he could sell it. And he couldn't sell it back there. He was going to probably re-register it as soon as he could back in Pennsylvania just to get it off the books," Daly detailed.
"I don't think the car was coming back, because it is a rolling crime scene."

 

[Fargo]

It isn't just that you and I noticed. It is the slam dunk conclusion in a lot of peer reviewed science. Those mass school shooters (I distinguish between mass and others since others involve drug dealers shooting each other on school grounds on weekends) are all fascinated with the prior ones, and especially media coverage.

Yes, I think Kohberger shares many, many traits and motives of mass school shooters. Where he diverges is that this mass killing was not the end for him. It was not a final act, a public blaze of glory. He wanted to send the same message, but did not want the same ending. He wanted to send his message AND continue his life as normal.

I think that's why, instead of shooting up campus in the light of day, he chose a soft target and committed the crime under cover of darkness. That way his message to society is delivered but he suffers no consequence. That's the goal anyway. I'm sure he knew there was a chance of failure. He's not stupid. But I think he erred either in overestimating himself or underestimating law enforcement. Or both.

I think he obviously would have preferred the attention and media coverage while remaining anonymous rather than sitting in a jail cell, but the chips didn't fall that way. My opinion only.

 

[XtremeScorpio]

PA public defender recalls working with alleged Moscow murderer | krem.com

Pennsylvania public defender shares experience working with alleged Moscow murderer

Jason LaBar represented the alleged Moscow murderer from the moments after his Pennsylvania arrest up until he was passed off to Idaho's jurisdiction.

www.krem.com

BK's attorney in PA, that helped him with his extradition hearing does make a few good points on how the info shared in the PCA might impact his case (in regards to iffy evidence the prosecution can poke holes in), but I think he's off about about cell tower pings. I think he's referring to the 'maximum usable range', rather than the 'typical coverage radius'....

On average, the maximum usable range of a cell tower is 25 miles. While the typical coverage radius of a cell tower is 1 to 3 miles and in dense urban environments, a cell tower usually reaches 0.25 miles to 1 mile before handing off a user’s connection to another nearby cell site.

Cell Tower Range: How Far Do They Reach? - Dgtl Infra

Cell Tower Range: How Far Do They Reach?

Wireless networks transmit voice and data signals over cell towers, using a range of radio frequencies, that can reach a customer’s cell phone far away.

dgtlinfra.com

 

[Kdot112]

I find it interesting when I hear the statements about how this was meticulously planned. I don’t think it was at all.

There is no way a careful plan for a hands on murder lands a calculated killer in a house full of people.

I get the impression he had been itching to do it and was scoping for a good time to do it. That’s it. Any “good time” and he’d try it. I also think he had his gear with him on multiple other trips to Idaho and decided against it . I would guess he’s travelled to the house at other times with his phone off with plans of doing the deed (that LE hasn’t detected yet or told us about).

There were just too many tenants there for him to find an opportune time to do it. And this was almost always the case. The night he did it was the best he could do and it failed because again, any planning exercise would have told him to try somewhere less populated.

 

[RTC]

Yes, that is true. But I can’t resolve him being a bright, very intelligent teen according to friends, soon to be considered brilliant by a professor, but only went to high school part time while enrolled in a HVAC Vocational Training program instead of college prep coursework, as far as I understand.
He was in some kind of supposed junior LE club in 2011 and at the same professed an interest in becoming an Army Ranger all while allegedly posting of profound disturbances in VS.

All while enrolled in a blue collar job training program at 16, allegedly using heroin, allegedly doing rehab, getting a school guard job only to then begin zipping through two degrees with honors?!?!
Is that not all a very peculiar path and trajectory? MOO

Right? The heroin addiction and I want to be an army ranger is one of the most absurd things I have ever heard. That is a special kind of crazy right there.

 

[gremlin444]

Yes, if you work for the clinic or provider. Many places now use numbers or some other way of contacting patients in waiting rooms etc.

That's interesting. I have a medical condition that has had me going to to 6 different doctors & specialists over the last year (many many many appointments in total) in the Chicago area, some of them at major hospitals--and every single time I've been summoned in the waiting room it has been by a nurse coming to the waiting room door and calling either my first, last, or first and last names. And that's even with 3 of those places having you check in online before you enter the building.

 

[drmrgrl]

Exactly, that maybe a road best not gone down. But I do want to know is why this house and why these victims.

IMO, that’s says it all right there