ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 62

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As a side note, in my state public defenders assigned to death penalty cases need only to have experience with felony criminal defenses, they do not need to have direct experience in death penalty cases.

Given Idaho's low crime rate and the decline in death penalty cases over the past decade or more, there may not be any practicing prosecutors or defense attorneys in Idaho with direct experience in death penalty cases.

One could probably include the neighboring states as well with exception of Nevada. In short.... my guess is that both the prosecution and the defense are going to have to "fly" with who they have experience wise.

Idaho has an approved list of death penalty case qualified attorneys. The list was posted here by someone, but I didn't save it.

Ms. Anne Taylor, Chief PD of Kootenai County was on that list.

The list had about 50, maybe more, names on them, many in Boise. They need one more and for all we know, already have that person lined up. But right now, there's no DP on the table - but the PD in place is qualified.
 
I keep thinking about how pertinent that lack of front license plate was in narrowing down the POI field. And there were 100 male grad students at the WSU Pullman campus who were out of state domestic residents. So for WSU cops, once they found his Elantra, it wouldn’t be too hard to narrow down which of the 100 were from the 21 states listed below by cross-tabbing the data. (Plus, they had BKs drivers license photo from his traffic stop in August.)

Data from December 2022 from Which States Require a Front License Plate?

States That Do Not Require a Front License Plate:​

There are currently 21 states that do not require a front license plate. Even though every state requires at least one license plate to be mounted to each motor vehicle, each state that does not have a front plate requirement requires that a license plate be mounted in the rear of the vehicle.

The following is the list of states that do not currently require a front-mounted license plate:
  • Alabama
  • Alaska
  • Arizona
  • Arkansas
  • Delaware
  • Florida
  • Georgia
  • Indiana
  • Kansas
  • Kentucky
  • Louisiana
  • Michigan
  • Mississippi
  • New Mexico
  • North Carolina
  • Ohio
  • Oklahoma
  • Pennsylvania
  • South Carolina
  • Tennessee
  • West Virginia


Here's the complete list of states that currently require a front license plate:

California
Colorado
Connecticut
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Iowa
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Minnesota
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New York
North Dakota
Oregon
Rhode Island
South Dakota
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
Wisconsin
Wyoming


Saw Md missing from your list, it’s required here.

Jmo
 
I have. Is it possible that his family is Catholic? It's a private Catholic-based school. Maybe he wanted to study under the famed criminal psychologist K. Ramsland, or graduate with a smaller DTI ratio.

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I agree that he may have wanted to study under Ramsland or because of the quality and reputation/ranking of its online Master's program in Criminology. Or just because it was close by.

Even though DeSales is a private university with a Christian identity, most similar privates are ecumenical in nature, admitting students of all faith backgrounds or no faith backgrounds, same with faculty and staff. Think University of Notre Dame, definitely a strong reputation and also a Catholic university.
 
Personally, if i was involved in a case and was still considered innocent, I don't care about HIPAA per se, I wouldn't want any reporters talking to anybody in my doctors office about me, Period. IMO. Doctors offices should be off-limits unless their is a warrant/ or such. JMO, MOO (The line is so fine regarding HIPAA, and much is so personal- why take any chances?)
There is also practical issue beyond a specific individual. Do we want people who are troubled, be it by minor depression, moderate issues or even very serous issues, not talking to mental health care professionals for fear of it being used against them or result in diminishment of rights?
 
Stalking is the hunting of humans. It is an extremely deviant behavior. It is not normal and you cannot find a reason or provocation that justifies hunting human beings. Bullied, not bullied. Does not matter. Hunting and slaughtering humans is not justified or explained with any rational explanation. I would guess brain differences have to exist, but, when an individual knows right from wrong (i.e., turning off the cellphone, hiding covertly, going in the house in black at night), that individual made a conscious choice to slaughter innocent lives. Whether they were happy or popular or whatever, they were young adults at school trying to create a future, butchered in the prime of their lives. Ironically, even their grieving families would not, after learning of the slaughter of their son and daughters would not be legally justified in taking the same revenge. They will be reduced to a legal process that will never feel like justice.

I share this because my family was stalked by two individuals for two years that we thought were going to kill us. The provocation? They willingly relinquished rights to a special needs child who became our daughter. She was terrified of them. She vomited every time she saw them. She was three years old when we met her and five when she was adopted. This is how we started our trauma journey and my field in abuse now. These two individuals did NOT want her back. Our daughter reported abuse in their home on several occasions to counselors. We were absolutely stuck. My husband and I had three other young children at the time. These two grown adults, moved from over 1000 miles away. They went to my children's school to scare them. One applied for a job as a janitor to stalk my children. They went to my husband's work. They drove by our home repeatedly, terrifying our children. The sheriff's officer had a deputy assigned to drive by our country home (17 minutes for 911) to make sure we were alive. I cannot begin to express the horror. My oldest child, still young, dropped out of elementary school with repeated panic attacks. If he left home, they would go to his school (shared by all four kids). He did not trust the school could protect him like his mom would. He went into a very severe panic and anxiety overload. There were pictures of the stalkers at the elementary school and anywhere else we were. The university I taught for posted an armed security guard by my college class so I could continue to teach. One day, I was at church, without my husband, I got out of my car with four small children. As I went to go in, with children in tow, the man, well over 6 foot tall came to me. I froze. What could I do? If I ran, my children could not keep up. I would never leave them. I could not fight him. I had no time to call 911. Fortunately, I ran into the church, interrupting the meeting, and church members called 911 and different families took each of my children to separate places to hide them. When the officers came, the two individuals presented a poem on death and a child screaming from a coffin.

We had twelve restraining orders - one against each individual for six members of our family. They were jailed and continued. We had no way out. We could not "give back" our daughter to such abuse and terror and would not consider it. We could not protect our three young children. Every time we slept, we knew we were vulnerable. Our children were vulnerable. I read Gavin de Becker's Gift of Fear and contacted their agency for help. I was forced to learn methods to protect my children and family and became proficient. As an attorney, testifying at the trial was still one of the most terrifying experiences of my life. They were the hunters. We were their prey. At that trial, I summoned all my courage, after two years of intense stalking, looked them in the eye and said, "Normal people do not hunt other people, especially children." When I was done testifying, I collapsed sobbing into the arms of the victim advocate.

This is a hard story for me to share. Years later, the male turned up at an event I was speaking at on trauma and abuse to sit and stare at me as I was running a conference on abuse. He had free frequent flier miles and could be anywhere he knew I would be. Did they know what they were doing? Yes. Had they been bullied? I don't care. Were they mentally ill? Maybe, but they were fully aware of every action they took and nothing, besides a conviction and jail time would stop them. Even that, did not stop him from showing up years later. My daughter has never been in a year book. I do not share information on her on facebook. We keep her hidden because we do not know what they want with her. She is now the same age as the victims. Maybe that is why this resonates so strongly for me. Normal humans do not hunt humans. As terrified as we were, we knew we were being stalked. These young adults in Idaho did not get that blessing. They were sleeping. They had done nothing that could ever justify the horror they endured and, for what? There is no reason. When we can clearly tell that this was a premeditated attack on innocent human life, there is no sadness for the hunter and there is no justification that even merits consideration. They deserved to live. And, even if the killer didn't think so, they deserved a fair fight. This was not fair in any sense of the word. To hunt the sleeping in their own home at the darkest hour of night is cowardly, deviant and there will never be a reason that merits justification or explanation, especially when it is clear the killer was aware that the actions were wrong. It was a choice. It was a thrill. It was a crime against all of society. There is a price to be paid when humans deviate to the thrill of hunting other humans. Thanks for letting me share my story. To this day, it is still difficult to tell.
I can't imagine what it would be like to go through this, and I'm glad you're here to share this story.
 
"Weeks before he was named as the primary suspect in the gruesome quadruple murder of four Idaho students, Bryan Kohberger told a neighbor he believed the unsolved killings were a 'crime of passion'.
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'He brought it up in conversation, asked if I'd heard about the murders. Which I had.

'He said, "It seems like they have no leads."

 
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I agree that he may have wanted to study under Ramsland or because of the quality and reputation/ranking of its online Master's program in Criminology. Or just because it was close by.

Even though DeSales is a private university with a Christian identity, most similar privates are ecumenical in nature, admitting students of all faith backgrounds or no faith backgrounds, same with faculty and staff. Think University of Notre Dame, definitely a strong reputation and also a Catholic university.

I didn't mean to infer he was Catholic, I only meant to toss out a few theories. I am not Catholic yet have worked for many Catholic affiliations and with many Catholics, and attend Catholic Services at times. I am not affiliated with any religion though.
 
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@Gemmie im really behind on the threads and the longer I spend catching up, the more behind I fall. Idk how to reply your post from a closed thread, but the word you were looking for is egocentric :)
 
Hmmmm... Yeah, I hear what they are saying but they sure look wider than a shaving cut IMO. More like a scratch from a fingernail to me. But take that with a grain of salt as I am no shaving cut expert.
Me either. Maybe he's more shook about this whole thing than I thought. JMO
 
@Gemmie im really behind on the threads and the longer I spend catching up, the more behind I fall. Idk how to reply your post from a closed thread, but the word you were looking for is egocentric :)
Thank you for replying! That's a good one too. :) There were a lot of really good responses but I think the one that really nailed it for me is an "idea of reference" thanks to @vlbay (I had never heard of that term before):

An idea of reference—sometimes called a delusion of reference—is the false belief that irrelevant occurrences or details in the world relate directly to oneself.
 
Premeditation can be seconds. It is a misconception that is has to be lengthy planning. Of course, lengthy planning does make it a very solid case of premeditation. But, any amount of premeditation, even seconds, if proven, is enough.
I don't think we disagree. The key words are "if proven," meaning the finder of fact would consider any length of time prior to the act in determining whether it was premeditated. In a sense, any intentional act takes forethought, but defining forethought as premeditation collapses first degree murder and second degree murder onto each other.
 
Good point. There is a big difference between "detailer" level clean and forensically clean. In fact, absolute forensic cleanliness might well be impossible given today's technology.

Speaking of wealth of evidence....

I wonder if he was seen fervently cleaning his car at an auto clean and wash type place? Not everyone who owns those places empties out the vacuam machine bins regularly- especially if customer flow is light.

Spraying water around and cold winter days dont mix. So, I am thinking a chance of reduced customers in the winter. It might be worthwhile to talk to the owner about when the bin used by BK was emptied. BK might of just relatively cleaned evidence out of his car- and deposited into a locked container.
That's a really good point. With all his stabbing, how could he have avoided being hit by arterial spray. This is only a Femoral artery:
 
I think it's definitely a tactic defense attorneys, particularly PD's, can use.

He gets to stay in "innocence limbo" (presumed innocent by the court but deprived almost entirely of his freedom). I think he will adapt to jail and be a model prisoner, but the perks of a county jail system can be minor and the people around him will keep changing. I have no idea what Idaho State Prisons are like. Some jails in my state are so notorious that prisoners want to move on and just get into the prison system, although Death Row isn't much of an improvement. Prisons often have exercise yards that jails may not have (the jails in my county have no exercise facilities for prisoners, particularly in the phase 1/Intake jails).

Meanwhile, I figure that he and his attorney have received the autopsy results, which is a sobering moment for everyone.

To me, the process of Justice has begun. If delay is their tactic and it's going to be, say, January 2025 before this is set for trial (change of venue motions, many evidentiary hearings that don't even start until sometime this summer or early fall), he gets to sit in jail, observed by all and with very few belongings or privileges. He can write letters to his family and possibly have visits with them if they travel to him. He's used to being alone with a computer and using social media platforms and engaging with the world in his own way. Now if he's lucky and behaves, he may get an occasional book from the jail library.

Bleak.
I totally see this dude writing his "memoirs" in jail while he awaits trial. Maybe he'll even try contacting his former professor and see if she's interesting in his story (sarcasm intended). This guy makes me sick!
 
I just watched today's hearing again and noticed there was absolutely no interaction between BK and his attorney. Neither one even looked at the other the entire hearing. Not even at the beginning or the end of it. IMO Taylor appeared strained and looked ill at ease. Just an observation fwiw
 
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