ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 68

[jepop]

I'm leaning towards LE only having a partial print. In the PCA, t

Yeah, we just don't know, but I think I responded to you on previous thread and tended to agree with your other idea that there may not be any other prints (more obvious that is, bloody) at the scene (apologies in advance if I am mistaken). My thoughts were that if more obvious prints were lifted/investigated one/some of them would have been used to establish the perps exit through slider. Perp had to pass DM's door to exit via slider so this would also have been enough to support her statement re his movements.MOO and just speculation.

 

[Pink2017]

Idaho Suspect Bryan Kohberger Visited Restaurant Where Victims Worked Idaho Suspect Bryan Kohberger Visited Restaurant Where 2 Victims Worked 'At Least Twice' Before Killings

This makes the most sense. He knew these girls from somewhere and so it stands that being a vegan would put him in the restaurant.

 

[jepop]

Just a guess, but when investigators investigated that latent print left at the crime secne (per PCA), they would have very likely been able to ascertain at least something about the size, although not enough info to be sure, and maybe not whole print and so forth and so on. MOO.

Replying to self, re latent shoe print, IMO, size could be extrapolated from a partial print by specialist investigators. Again that is just MOO.

 

[whiterhino]

Wondering if BK would've gone to the MG even if he weren't vegan... Not that it matters. Just IMHO I don't think he went there for food. MOO.

 

[esayer]

Not possible unless the PCA is wrong. But I’m not going to argue it. Other reasons too.

I still think it could be the same. When they saw BK throwing out the trash could totally be when they got the dad's DNA since they were just on that long trip. They tested a bunch of items and the dad's DNA came up, though it could have been BK's, IMO.

 

[GRT]

Brian Entin's tweet about the stricter gag order:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1616227580440608768

Is that odd? I don't know so I'm asking.

The part I find most interesting is the gag order on the defense attorney concerning his opinion. Haven't defense attorneys always made comments such as, "My client is innocent," and the like?

It seems to me that there has been such a huge amount of detrimental coverage in this case (to BK), that it's going to be challenging for them to find an impartial jury. Or, give him what our laws deem a fair trial.

But now, even the defense attorney cannot publicly defend the client? Maybe I'm wrong, but that seems slightly odd.

 

[Whatif1964]

Wondering if BK would've gone to the MG even if he weren't vegan... Not that it matters. Just IMHO I don't think he went there for food. MOO.

I think BK went to MG initially for food and stumbled upon one of the girls, was somehow able to get her name and voila! He now has access to the other roommates through just one of the girls SM. Just IMO.

 

[Omega Man]

Is that odd? I don't know so I'm asking.

The part I find most interesting is the gag order on the defense attorney concerning his opinion. Haven't defense attorneys always made comments such as, "My client is innocent," and the like?

It seems to me that there has been such a huge amount of detrimental coverage in this case (to BK), that it's going to be challenging for them to find an impartial jury. Or, give him what our laws deem a fair trial.

But now, even the defense attorney cannot publicly defend the client? Maybe I'm wrong, but that seems slightly odd.

Would make sense to me for example if the defence's angle was more than one perp. Talking publicly about this (yes these theories are public anyway but there's a difference when they are discussed on web forums vs when they are posed by attorneys) would cause some amount of panic among the public since it would imply that another potential killer is on the loose out there somewhere and it would put unnecessary pressure on LE to apprehend him. Just to be clear, I think there was only one perp and all of the above is just my take on the gag order.

/EDIT/ It seems the gag order pertains to victims attorneys so all of the above is just speculation on "what if" it covered defense attorneys.

 

[GRT]

If the story is true, there was federal surveillance outside the house 24/7 at that time (before the arrest).

Are you saying that if there were federal LEO's at his residency and they witnessed him take a bag of trash off premises and walk a ways (wearing gloves) in order to (probably illegally) dump into someone else's trash, they should have simply ignored this action of his?

What if that was a lot cleaning material from his car? Tiny amounts of DNA and fibers from the house could still be in that bag.

No LEO worth their salt, IF assigned to watch a potential murderer, is going to just sit and let him get out of sight. Once they see what he has done, why would they not grab that trash?? Sure, it could be nothing, but what if it's something? The job of such officers is to do exactly as it has been reported they did.

No gag order on the PA branch of federal enforcement, either.

Not at all.

I'm saying they didn't have to wait until BK took the family trash to the neighbor's to obtain the family's trash and test it for DNA.

I'm also saying the odds BK was going to throw anything, evidence-wise, away at that point is stretching it.

Thirdly, due to the layout of the neighborhood--the houses setting so far back from the road--it would be difficult to watch the Kohberger's house without being seen. I could be wrong, but the driveway seems to abut a main branch road, where parking likely isn't allowed (MOO). Being LE, they could still likely park there, but they would be highly noticeable. So, they could have (most likely) parked in one of the driveways on the opposite side of the road.

It's also likely the trash bins were next to the houses in the middle of the night. This is just MOO, but where I live, residents do not pull the bins out to the road until morning, and then they pull them back before dark.

As I said before, I don't disbelieve LE got into the trash, I just question where the bins were in the middle of the night and where LE parked to allow them to see what was happening.

 

[GRT]

Of course he would, since he cleaned the car and there was probably a lot of evidence in there. Makes it super suspicious he didn't use his own trash. IMO. They only were able to look for DNA in the trash AFTER they got a search warrant. Which was after he left for PA. They never specify if it was the neighbor's trash where they got the dad's DNA, but IMO that is exactly where they got it, after watching BK clean his car and empty the trash at the neighbor's. IMO. Also he would have wanted to not throw away stuff in WA and instead waited till he got to PA. IMO.

I don't know if that's accurate. I think disposing of incriminating evidence typically happens fairly quickly after the crime. Not necessarily in a municipal trash bin, but disposing of it in some manner.

I can't imagine BK didn't clean the interior of his car thoroughly within a day or so of the murders. Unless of course, he's so narcissistic that he really thought he would never be suspected. But, when the stories about the white Elantra came out, you'd think if he hadn't cleaned it yet--he would then.

Of course that's all MOO and second-guessing a killer.

 

[GRT]

Wondering if BK would've gone to the MG even if he weren't vegan... Not that it matters. Just IMHO I don't think he went there for food. MOO.

Has an MG menu been published here? If so, I missed it, but I miss a lot. I wonder if there is anything on that menu that would meet BK's diet preferences. In my experience, vegans who are strict to the point of not wanting to eat foods cooked in utensils where meat was cooked rarely eat out unless it's at a place that specifically cooks in the manner they want. If the MG serves animal products, BK could not be sure any veggie meals would meet his standards--or even be completely meat-free.

 

[Elley Mae]

We can but don’t leave cans at the curb here. Cans have to out by 6:00am, most trash cans have wheels, mine do.

I really don’t think police/fbi were sitting in cars, they were outside, camo, hiding. Wouldn’t be surprised if one was on the trash truck.

Jmo

 

[MrB327]

Two different "trash events", love it,lol. oh, and I agree

lol, actually probably three "trash events".
-Dad's trash in PA
-BK's trash to match Dad's DNA
-Neighbors trash (hopefully, after car cleaning and full of victims blood)
...imo

 

[Swansee]

I take back everything I wrote in my last two posts. Mad Greek is not at all a fully vegan restaurant.
The menu features several items with various meats and cheeses.
Apologies, I should have researched better before posting!
Full menu:
Mad Greek - Menu

 

[TL4S]

For me, it's all about the timing of these supposed happenings. Was he actually driving by the house 12x since August, but didn't go to MG until later? Or did he go to MG over the summer and THEN start driving by? Why not DM until November? Was it escalating, or not?

 

[whiterhino]

I think BK went to MG initially for food and stumbled upon one of the girls, was somehow able to get her name and voila! He now has access to the other roommates through just one of the girls SM. Just IMO.

Entirely possible BK spotted the girls at the restaurant by happenstance and then he fixated. Depends on the sequence of events, where and how long it built up for.

I keep wondering if BK returned later the morning of the murders not to check up on the scene but BK considering retrieving the knife sheath?

^^ That is what I'd thought re-the restaurant. It's not vegan. Which as I said, makes me wonder if BK really just innocently wandered into the Mad Greek and for whatever reason decided to stalk two of the employees?

 

[Mad Hettie]

Suggest re-reading it, as the content focuses mostly on laws & ct. rulings re employers & UNION employees terms & conditions of employment under NLRA

As a “mom & pop” business (as they put it), mine is exempt from this law, as the MG would be.

If I were the MG owner, I would have gathered the employees and talked about how to stay safe in the age of Internet trolls and doxers, media crazed true crime followers, and possibly copycats. We would have all decided on a plan. It wouldn’t surprise me if that’s what happened, as they have been so quiet as they’ve continued to do their jobs. I hope for their continued safety.

 

[Elley Mae]

"What hasn't been released, though, yet is the warrant for the car, which is in Pennsylvania and should be released because the car might have a lot more important evidence, especially if there's any evidence from blood hair in the car, which is hard to wipe away," he said. "That's a home run."

Possible animal hair found at Kohberger's apartment could be 'home run' for prosecution: Dr. Michael Baden

Fox News contributor Dr. Michael Baden unpacks evidence collected by investigators in connection to alleged Idaho killer Bryan Kohberger on 'America Reports.'

www.foxnews.com

 

[Mad Hettie]

Another thing that has never sat well with me was BK being pulled over on August 21st at Farm Road & Pullman Hwy at 11:37 p.m when his phone pinged near the residence from 10:34 to 11:35 p.m. [Ref. Pg 17, Exhibit A]. Its approx 1.3 miles but about a 6 or 7 minute drive from the King Rd address with lots of turns. At first I just thought this was a simple matter of cell towers overlapping but, IDK, something doesn't seem right about it. MOO. Is it just me??

This IS odd, and part of my reluctance to put all my eggs in the cell phone pinging basket.

 

[illyana]

Probably his first capital crime, because while he planned it, he screwed up too much. However, he may have done other serious crimes before this, like stalking, window peeping, flashing, burglary, and rape. But if he's killed before, that's possible too. We can be confident Pennsylvania is looking hard at unsolved cases where this psychopathic preadator lived.

It does seem he's not just guilty but incompetent because he used his own car, left a knife-sheath, was utterly ignorant of home security cameras, had previously stalked the house with his phone's GPS footprints all over the place, and probably had contact with the victims at the Mad Greek restaurant with its partly vegan menu.

The restaurant seems like where he fixed on MM and/or KG. Which one he fixed on or interacted with may not correspond to which one was more brutally attacked. It could have been both. Either one of them could have set him off into some sort of narcissistic rage if he demanded to know if his food was served with brand new pots or<modsnip - off topic>

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